Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on

[duhmetreE]

I think we're two top-9 forwards (callup + FA, two callups, two FAs) away from being able to put out a Vesey-4C-Fast fourth line next year, which is pretty cool and doable.

Sign Kovy and bring up Andersson and Chytil.

Kreider Zib Chytil
Kovy Names Buch
Fast Andersson MZA
Spooner Hayes Vesey

Depending on player progression, at the deadline, MZA, Spooner and/or Hayes could be moved. With Howden in the AHL waiting for a shot.

 

[we want cup]

Just as an aside, do people think this team would compete for the playoffs next year?

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Kovalchuk-Hayes-MZA
Namestnikov-Chytil/Andersson-Spooner
Vesey-Filpulla-Fast

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Gilmour-Pionk
Kampfer

Hank
Georgiev


Realistically, the Rangers could sign Filpulla AND Kovalchuk as well as all of the RFA's

Depends largely on the coaching situation, I'd say. If a new coach comes in and installs a better defensive system that fits the personnel that roster could sneak in. I'm hoping for a system that focuses on defending as a 5 man unit. Too many forwards flying the zone early over the last few years. Makes the team predictable and forces defensemen to make dangerous passes. Obviously you want to stretch the ice in some situations and exploit particular teams if they're vulnerable to those kinds of plays, but 10 foot passes will be completed more often than 40 foot passes.

 

[Jayan]

He very well may be. Miller was also 24.

Please dont ever compare Miller to Zibby

 

[Avery16]

Well yea but someone is paying it. What did Radulov get ?

Kovalchuk wants to play in NYC

 

[duhmetreE]

Defensive options..

LHD - Skjei, Staal... 3LHD is up for grabs. Smith, Hajek, Gilmour, Dahlin etc.
RHD- Shatty, ADA, Pionk... Boqvist? Smith?

 

[mike14]

Please dont ever compare Miller to Zibby

I get that this board has soured on Miller, but based on their careers to date, why not?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I'd give Kovy 2 years 5.5 per. Why not? You still need to ice a team.

Gorton might be in rebuild mode but he's not going to ice a roster with 15 rookies and he's not going to ice true garbage tank rosters like we've seen from Buffalo and the Coyotes in recent years.


It wouldn't surprise me to see the Rangers bounce back next year. It seems more and more that teams can vary greatly season to season. People thought the Devils would be jockeying for Dahlin this season. They're not perfect but they're young and fast.

I think at the very least we can be young and fast next season. We'll see, but I don't see the Rangers being worse next season than they are this season.

 

[haveandare]

Isn't the latest on Kovalchuk that he wants to go somewhere he can win soon?

 

[Boruto]

Is there a projected available cap space for next season?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Just as an aside, do people think this team would compete for the playoffs next year?

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Kovalchuk-Hayes-MZA
Namestnikov-Chytil/Andersson-Spooner
Vesey-Filpulla-Fast

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-ADA
Gilmour-Pionk
Kampfer

Hank
Georgiev


Realistically, the Rangers could sign Filpulla AND Kovalchuk as well as all of the RFA's

No. The forward group might be good enough, it actually looks good. But the defense is just bad. Only defenseman who is #3 or better is Shattenkirk. Skjei and Shattenkirk also don't work well together.

 

[Boruto]

Isn't the latest on Kovalchuk that he wants to go somewhere he can win soon?

That's what I presumed as well. Kovy can get big money in the KHL. It's not an issue for the big clubs and the big players. He wants to win a cup so unless management can convince him that we're within 3 years of winning a cup, i doubt he's coming here. He likes NY but tourism is hardly a reason to finish up his career helping a rebuilding team stay relevant.

 

[Talisman_52]

Is anyone else not buying the full rebuild theory? It’s just not the Dolan owned Rangers way. I also can’t believe they would do a rebuild at the tail end of Hanks’s prime. There are a lot of names available come July 1. We now have a ton of assets that can be parlayed into other roster changes (suring up the D). Erik Karlsson is on the trade block. I just think there’s too much temptation to add a game changer at D, sign a Tavares, and maybe another big name forward (JVR/Kane) while the youth continues to develop in the minors and come up for the occasional cup of coffee.

I’m just not buying into it until Hank is not a Ranger. Deep down inside I think it’s a retool. For once we have a pipeline to supplement injuries and players aging out of the league. With the Knicks being terrible, I think Dolan looks to the Rangers to keep MSG buzzing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd give Kovy 2 years 5.5 per. Why not? You still need to ice a team.

Gorton might be in rebuild mode but he's not going to ice a roster with 15 rookies and he's not going to ice true garbage tank rosters like we've seen from Buffalo and the Coyotes in recent years.


It wouldn't surprise me to see the Rangers bounce back next year. It seems more and more that teams can vary greatly season to season. People thought the Devils would be jockeying for Dahlin this season. They're not perfect but they're young and fast.

I think at the very least we can be young and fast next season. We'll see, but I don't see the Rangers being worse next season than they are this season.

Who do the Rangers have that can carry them like Hall has the Devils?

Need I remind you that what you're seeing from the Devils this year is their culmination of sucking for a while. Rangers have really only sucked for this season. I hope we do a better job of rebuilding this thing than they have, they've done a pretty shitty job with most of their high picks.

Unless they decide to reverse course and go crazy with free agent signings this offseason (which isn't happening), the Rangers will compete for the 1OA.

I can see them being pretty good in 2019-20 and then much better the year after, but a lot has to go right.

 

[haveandare]

That's what I presumed as well. Kovy can get big money in the KHL. It's not an issue for the big clubs and the big players. He wants to win a cup so unless management can convince him that we're within 3 years of winning a cup, i doubt he's coming here. He likes NY but tourism is hardly a reason to finish up his career helping a rebuilding team stay relevant.

Yeah, I don't really see it happening. And I'm okay with that. I think he has a bad attitude personally. Wouldn't mind adding him as a complementary piece to a team with a strong leadership group, but I don't really want any part of him being "the guy" with a bunch of kids we're trying to bring up and teach how to be good pros.

 

[Boruto]

No. The forward group might be good enough, it actually looks good. But the defense is just bad. Only defenseman who is #3 or better is Shattenkirk. Skjei and Shattenkirk also don't work well together.

I'm not convinced Girardi-Staal can't work well together under a different defensive system and coach. Okay, too far, but I'm not writing off Skjei-Shattenkirk or Skjei and Shattenkirk separately.

Are we to believe that McDonagh couldn't work with a single legitimate top 4 defensive partner in his 6 years here?

McDonagh traded because whatever. Stralman wasn't worth our time of the day. Yandle was passed over. Kampfer, Girardi, Staal, Holden formed half our top 4 for the last 2 years.

I'd love to see what a competent NHL coach does with our players.

 

[eco's bones]

The last I knew Kovalchuk was only willing to play in the NYC metro area. Maybe I'm wrong but that wouldn't leave him a whole lot of options and I don't think the Devils would take him back.

 

[Boruto]

Yeah, I don't really see it happening. And I'm okay with that. I think he has a bad attitude personally. Wouldn't mind adding him as a complementary piece to a team with a strong leadership group, but I don't really want any part of him being "the guy" with a bunch of kids we're trying to bring up and teach how to be good pros.

If McDonagh could be traded for personality incompatibility, management should be vigilant on the guys they bring in to mentor the kids.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is anyone else not buying the full rebuild theory? It’s just not the Dolan owned Rangers way. I also can’t believe they would do a rebuild at the tail end of Hanks’s prime. There are a lot of names available come July 1. We now have a ton of assets that can be parlayed into other roster changes (suring up the D). Erik Karlsson is on the trade block. I just think there’s too much temptation to add a game changer at D, sign a Tavares, and maybe another big name forward (JVR/Kane) while the youth continues to develop in the minors and come up for the occasional cup of coffee.

I’m just not buying into it until Hank is not a Ranger. Deep down inside I think it’s a retool. For once we have a pipeline to supplement injuries and players aging out of the league. With the Knicks being terrible, I think Dolan looks to the Rangers to keep MSG buzzing.

It's just you.

Dolan didn't only sign off on this plan, he asked for it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Who do the Rangers have that can carry them like Hall has the Devils?

Need I remind you that what you're seeing from the Devils this year is their culmination of sucking for a while. Rangers have really only sucked for this season. I hope we do a better job of rebuilding this thing than they have, they've done a pretty ****ty job with most of their high picks.

Unless they decide to reverse course and go crazy with free agent signings this offseason (which isn't happening), the Rangers will compete for the 1OA.

I can see them being pretty good in 2019-20 and then much better the year after, but a lot has to go right.

A new coach will make a world of difference. A new defensive scheme in front of Lundqvist, I can't ever think that team is definitely going to miss the playoffs until I see them in action. Healthy Shatty and Kreider also help.

Of course, all of this still remains to be seen because of how much will change between now and September.

Will AV get fired? How high does our pick get? Do we trade Zucc, Kreider or Hayes? Who stays and who goes?

Lots has to change. I'm just saying nobody should expect a team that is tank garbage a la Buffalo in the McDavid year or Coyotes almost every year since 2012.

 

[NYR Viper]

Please dont ever compare Miller to Zibby

Don't look now but Miller, for all of his struggles, had 40 points in 63 games played. Zibanejad has 31 in 54. Miller also, pretty easily, outscored Zibanejad last year.

I'm not saying Miller is a better overall player, but to think Zibanejad is on some other planet than Miller is just not true.

 

[haveandare]

Is anyone else not buying the full rebuild theory? It’s just not the Dolan owned Rangers way. I also can’t believe they would do a rebuild at the tail end of Hanks’s prime. There are a lot of names available come July 1. We now have a ton of assets that can be parlayed into other roster changes (suring up the D). Erik Karlsson is on the trade block. I just think there’s too much temptation to add a game changer at D, sign a Tavares, and maybe another big name forward (JVR/Kane) while the youth continues to develop in the minors and come up for the occasional cup of coffee.

I’m just not buying into it until Hank is not a Ranger. Deep down inside I think it’s a retool. For once we have a pipeline to supplement injuries and players aging out of the league. With the Knicks being terrible, I think Dolan looks to the Rangers to keep MSG buzzing.

Supposedly Dolan told Sather and Gorton to do it. Not sure of his motivation obviously, but I'd assume he wants to own a championship team and realizes this has to happen for that to happen.

I don't think Hank's prime is really their concern anymore, and justifiably so. Also I think he's past his prime, though still very good considering. Gorton said yesterday in an interview that Hank is still a top 10 goalie. 2-3 years ago, nobody running NYR would say something like that and consider it anything but an insult. He's good for the quick rebuild they're going for Imo, good enough to keep the kids from coming up on a hopeless garbage team, not quite good enough to drag a bad team into the playoffs anymore, and he's also Shestyorkin's hero and will help make sure he comes over in two years time.

Though it's against the moves they've made so far, if they could somehow nab Karlsson that might alter things a bit. However, I think many, many other teams could outbid them for Karlsson.

 

[Drew4u]

Rebuild or retool.... A.V needs to be fired. He cannot be trusted with handling the upcoming young players and prospects. This may be more important than their draft position.

I could already see him sitting or burying Dahlin on the 3rd pairing.

 

[Avery16]

Really interested to see the lines tonight

 

[Avery16]

Also, what do these moves mean to a Tkachev or a Bereglazov

 

[E-Train]

Rebuild or retool.... A.V needs to be fired. He cannot be trusted with handling the upcoming young players and prospects. This may be more important than their draft position.

I could already see him sitting or burying Dahlin on the 3rd pairing.

I don't think we need to worry. He's toast. Bring in someone who can develop these kids properly.