Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIV: There ain't no gettin' off of this train we're on

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I do not disagree, but if they want to get in the very top of the 1st yet outside of #1OA,

What if they offered Zbad or Shattenkirk to say Vancouver, Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton should they have the picks the Rangers want? Maybe those teams would want to accelerate their rebuild and feel as if they do not have a very good chance to sign any worthwhile UFAs?

I know Shattenkirk has a no trade of 10 teams, but if for some reason they are not on it. And I know that leaves the Rangers without yet another NHLer, but say they can back fill somehow even if the player is not nearly as good?

My gut feeling is that neither player gets moved until trade deadline/draft day 2019. They still need to be able to keep the pressure off the likes Andersson, Chytil and the young Dmen. Once they feel comfortable, they’ll take away the training wheels.
 
I do not disagree, but if they want to get in the very top of the 1st yet outside of #1OA,

What if they offered Zbad or Shattenkirk to say Vancouver, Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton should they have the picks the Rangers want? Maybe those teams would want to accelerate their rebuild and feel as if they do not have a very good chance to sign any worthwhile UFAs?

I know Shattenkirk has a no trade of 10 teams, but if for some reason they are not on it. And I know that leaves the Rangers without yet another NHLer, but say they can back fill somehow even if the player is not nearly as good?
Shattenkirk isn't going to be traded. It would send a very bad message to potential free agent targets. Zibby on the other hand I would deal in a heartbeat. I have been very underwhelmed by him to this point. Injury prone and lacks intensity and consistency. Doesn't seem like the kind of player that you win with.
 
I'm confident in saying that none of those guys will land you a top 10 pick. Teams picking that high aren't really in a position to be adding those players.

Kreider may be able to via Edmonton but they're in a different position. They have their key pieces in place, they need to start getting those guys people who can play with them.


As for the Rangers, I expect them to continue to add as many picks as they can for both 2018 and 2019 along with prospects and younger players. If they do this right, it shouldn't take more than 2 drafts for them to get the ship headed in the right direction.
I wonder if Montreal would trade their pick for Zibanejad. They desperately need centers, and likely aren't going to get one in the top-10 of the draft. I like Zib, but I don't know he is someone to build around long-term, and if we can get another top-10 pick+, and with A bunch of centers in the pipeline it won't hurt as much as it would have prior to this season.
 
Shattenkirk isn't going to be traded. It would send a very bad message to potential free agent targets. Zibby on the other hand I would deal in a heartbeat. I have been very underwhelmed by him to this point. Injury prone and lacks intensity and consistency. Doesn't seem like the kind of player that you win with.


I don't know if the message being sent is going to mean much. Like say in two or three years the Rangers do want to sign a UFA, is that player really going to be like, nah you guys traded Shattenkirk back then?
 
Shattenkirk isn't going to be traded. It would send a very bad message to potential free agent targets. Zibby on the other hand I would deal in a heartbeat. I have been very underwhelmed by him to this point. Injury prone and lacks intensity and consistency. Doesn't seem like the kind of player that you win with.

I disagree. He was our best forward in the playoffs last year.
 
My gut feeling is that neither player gets moved until trade deadline/draft day 2019. They still need to be able to keep the pressure off the likes Andersson, Chytil and the young Dmen. Once they feel comfortable, they’ll take away the training wheels.


I agree but they could back fill. Say they signed one of Plekanec or Brodziak, they keep Hayes. And they go with Spooner at center, that gives them some options to both give the rookies time and also have some shelter.

If next season is not about being good, getting in the top of the draft using Zbad/Shattenkirk in 2018, plus be there again 2019 draft by their own admission.

Oh and no I do not expect that to happen, just fun to think about the Rangers getting say 3rd overall this draft and somewhere in that range next one.
 
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Scenario - Montreal has the 5th overall pick, they offer it to us for Zibanejad, straight up. Do you do it?
Hard to say. Zbad isn't old by any stretch of the imagination and he's a proven NHL player while a 5OA player isn't necessarily.

I'd think no, I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't be all that upset if the team did it if they knew someone they really liked and had seen a lot was still on the board then.
 
I agree with your first point but disagree with the second. I'll be pretty surprised if they're a lottery team again at the end of next year. I don't think they'll be a playoff team either, but I think they'll make a good bit of progress.

Don’t see it. They would need Buchnevich to take a major leap, and have the 1st line to be very productive. They don’t a quality top pairing Dman. And, the youngins are going to make a lot of mistakes. If Gorton doesn’t go out and sign a bunch of free agents to fill those roles, (which I don’t think is the plan), next year is the bottoming our year.
 
Shattenkirk isn't going to be traded. It would send a very bad message to potential free agent targets. Zibby on the other hand I would deal in a heartbeat. I have been very underwhelmed by him to this point. Injury prone and lacks intensity and consistency. Doesn't seem like the kind of player that you win with.

Zibanejad is also still quite young. Only 24
 
Don’t see it. They would need Buchnevich to take a major leap, and have the 1st line to be very productive. They don’t a quality top pairing Dman. And, the youngins are going to make a lot of mistakes. If Gorton doesn’t go out and sign a bunch of free agents to fill those roles, (which I don’t think is the plan), next year is the bottoming our year.
Look at Vegas. Barely a single impact player on the whole team, but they make it work well enough to run their conference. Literally every player on their team is playing above all reasonable expectations imo.

I'm not saying that's going to happen for NYR by any means, but my point is a roster with the right types of guys handled by a good coach can easily be more than the sum of it's parts. I'll be pretty surprised if they finish lower next year than this year.

Skjei is the guy who would need a major leap Imo, and I think that's possible with better coaching.
 
Shattenkirk signed thinking he would be playing with McDonagh and on a Stanley Cup contender....

Things change.
 
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Absolutely, and I'd go even further than that in some cases, like if Ottawa would be willing to give up their first (with protection in case they get a top-3 pick or so) for this draft, take back Ryan's contract. Paul Martin, Matt Martin, Ennis, Moulson, Gaborik and others. All bad contracts we could look to take on and acquire some 2nds and 3rds.

Ottawa's already done that in the Duchene deal. Ottawa made it conditional and will protect their top 10 pick this year and Colorado instead gets Ottawa's first next year. The only way around maybe (if the league allowed it) for them is to trade their 1st this year with no conditions. I'm not sure if Sakic wouldn't squawk about that.
 
Look at Vegas. Barely a single impact player on the whole team, but they make it work well enough to run their conference. Literally every player on their team is playing above all reasonable expectations imo.

I'm not saying that's going to happen for NYR by any means, but my point is a roster with the right types of guys handled by a good coach can easily be more than the sum of it's parts. I'll be pretty surprised if they finish lower next year than this year.

Skjei is the guy who would need a major leap Imo, and I think that's possible with better coaching.

Vegas is the exception not the rule.
 
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