Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Shesterkybomb]

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I never said the Senators lol Rangers should get more for Kreider than they did for Zuccarello but it won't shock me if Kreider brought back less than Zuccarello in a trade

Nobody said you said the senators. I will ask you this question, who would you rather have Zuccarello or Kreider?

 

[leetch99]

Quinn and Ruff are not getting it done . Our team takes losing way to easy . We need an influx of guys that HATE losing....change the culture and change it FAST . It is one thing to lose games....but at least when we do we should be putting the other club or the next one coming in to our building on guard and making them think they will be dealing with a hornet's nest . Teams are going to walk all over us and or around us and that is simply not what you want a bunch of kids to be part of .

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'm losing patience with Quinn. Its early in his tenure and the season, but I don't like his methods and I really don't like the deployment of players.

He flat out refuses to even put Andersson into a position to succeed. Terrible results to start last night's game and he limits the minutes to guys that contributed to the mess the least.

I feel like Quinn is routinely shortening the bench and chasing wins. Trying to get back into games. He should be developing a team, not squeezing points like they are in a stretch run.

Benching guys can help in the long run but the way he forces certain players into big minutes and limits others just feels like he makes gut calls in lieu of using merit.

 

[lucky13]

Staal has also been immune from media criticism as well.

he is the worst player at his position in the league.

Uncle Larry is finally coming around tho... in his article today he said something about how Staals been not good for multiple games now... something like that..which I feel like it’s the 1st time I’ve seen anything close to criticism of him so.... yea... idk...
He’s been really bad lately tho

 

[kovazub94]

I was wondering the same thing. But if this team is going to be a one-line team, but all the big dogs together and give Kakko the best chance to succeed.

Then Kakko will be forced to play the most minutes against the best opposition and I don't think he's ready or it's good for his development just yet. That's why splitting the "top dogs" makes more sense to me. As I mentioned maybe the perception of "demotion" sets up a little bit more urgency in Panarin's game, Strome has been getting better since his slow start and maybe Kakko is starting to feel more confident.

Make Andersson 3C, recall Nieves who brings speed and a bigger body to the 4th line, and demote Howden.

 

[tomobson]

Make Andersson 3C, recall Nieves who brings speed and a bigger body to the 4th line, and demote Howden.

If the organization has any aspirations of howden improving he needs to go to the AHL. He's nowhere near ready for a 2c role and having him as a 4c will be close to useless for him. I do not understand why nieves wasn't the team's go to option for 4c to start off in the first place. Instead they choose to give andersson 4c minutes??????? Call nieves up and give him the 4c position. Move howden to the ahl. Move andersson up to 3c or give him his cup of coffee on the 2nd line since everyone else has gotten a shot at it. If chytil's play without the puck is improving then call him up around the start of the November.

 

[Kovalev27]

the first flaw in this argument is that anyone expects to win games...anyone that expects to win games they are sadly mistaken and in for a long year.

well you shouldn’t win 10 games all year rebuilding or not so let’s stop saying expecting some wins and or playing competitive hockey should be out of the question. Not with this roster so this is silly. This shouldn’t be a historically bad hockey team

 

[NYR Viper]

Amazing move by Gorton to move Namestnikov to Ottawa to help inflate their point totals and minimize their tanking. well played Gorton.

 

[Kovalev27]

I’m watching Chytil’s game from Saturday again right now and he just is flowing thru the neutral zone at will dishing to teammates doing everything we can’t do outside of Mika. He’s the first guy back too. There’s no way Howden is a better option. Lesson learned let’s go

 

[Tawnos]

Amazing move by Gorton to move Namestnikov to Ottawa to help inflate their point totals and minimize their tanking. well played Gorton.

He's out there playing 3D chess when the rest of us are playing Chutes and Ladders.

 

[QJL]

This 5 game stretch of coaching and decision-making from Quinn is worse than anything we saw from AV.

 

[effen]

I’m watching Chytil’s game from Saturday again right now and he just is flowing thru the neutral zone at will dishing to teammates doing everything we can’t do outside of Mika. He’s the first guy back too. There’s no way Howden is a better option. Lesson learned let’s go

Keep him away from this dumpster fire for another 10 games or so.

If he comes up and sucks and goes down AGAIN, I worry about confidence. In his shoes given that sequence I'd be pretty upset. Possibly shuttling him a bunch is the only thing they shouldn't do with him.

 

[Tawnos]

I’m watching Chytil’s game from Saturday again right now and he just is flowing thru the neutral zone at will dishing to teammates doing everything we can’t do outside of Mika. He’s the first guy back too. There’s no way Howden is a better option. Lesson learned let’s go

Let Chytil keep building and deepening those good habits.

 

[Edge]

I’m watching Chytil’s game from Saturday again right now and he just is flowing thru the neutral zone at will dishing to teammates doing everything we can’t do outside of Mika. He’s the first guy back too. There’s no way Howden is a better option. Lesson learned let’s go

I don't think Howden was ever viewed as a replacement for Chytil.

What the Rangers are trying to do is get the Chytil you just viewed to play with that kind of flow in the NHL. It's a process, but it's not an unfair expectation for him either.

When Chytil is on his game, and asserting himself, he's freakin' dangerous. But I'm not sure it's something that quite comes naturally to him as a player and as a personality, so it's something that continues to be a focus area.

 

[effen]

This 5 game stretch of coaching and decision-making from Quinn is worse than anything we saw from AV.

That is strictly not true.

Quinn could certainly benefit from stealing AVs set faceoff plays. For a team crying for offense those were always good for a free 15 goals a year.

 

[Tawnos]

Like Christian Thomas or Ryan Haggerty or Wolski

Well... Wolski was 25 by then.

But I was thinking even more significantly of Saarela. He's still got time though.

And now Saarela's been traded again.

 

[NikC]

I'm losing patience with Quinn. Its early in his tenure and the season, but I don't like his methods and I really don't like the deployment of players.

He flat out refuses to even put Andersson into a position to succeed. Terrible results to start last night's game and he limits the minutes to guys that contributed to the mess the least.

I feel like Quinn is routinely shortening the bench and chasing wins. Trying to get back into games. He should be developing a team, not squeezing points like they are in a stretch run.

Benching guys can help in the long run but the way he forces certain players into big minutes and limits others just feels like he makes gut calls in lieu of using merit.

You're spot on. There should be no reason for this tension right now with the Rangers, and it's only there because of heightened expectations with an "accelerated rebuild".

Where did this mandate come from?
Gorton/management, Quinn, Lundqvist? All three? Because it was evident how severely lacking they are at center, and their defense is not good.

I'm not against the Panarin, Trouba signings, but it definitely seems like it added a sense of urgency, that they didn't need, and cant accommodate

No one should be getting benched right now. Bad play is to be expected, the growing pains of youth...

 

[Tawnos]

You're spot on. There should be no reason for this tension right now with the Rangers, and it's only there because of heightened expectations with an "accelerated rebuild".

Where did this mandate come from?
Gorton/management, Quinn, Lundqvist? All three? Because it was evident how severely lacking they are at center, and their defense is not good.

I'm not against the Panarin, Trouba signings, but it definitely seems like it added a sense of urgency, that they didn't need, and cant accommodate

No one should be getting benched right now. Bad play is to be expected, the growing pains of youth...

Those heightened expectations come solely and completely from fans ignoring what the front office has been saying. You think it added a sense of urgency, but no one around the team does.

 

[Leetch3]

well you shouldn’t win 10 games all year rebuilding or not so let’s stop saying expecting some wins and or playing competitive hockey should be out of the question. Not with this roster so this is silly. This shouldn’t be a historically bad hockey team

you are drastically underrating how bad this roster is...not surprising since you thought we would be a playoff team last year. but if you look at what the young kids are now and not what you project them to be. this team is historically bad

 

[Edge]

you are drastically underrating how bad this roster is...not surprising since you thought we would be a playoff team last year. but if you look at what the young kids are now and not what you project them to be. this team is historically bad

And historically young.

If Chytil, Shersterkin and Lindgren come up in 2019, we're looking at 14 players who are age 25 and under. And that doesn't include any other dark horses, or whoever comes over next year, or any other factors.

I know I keep beating a dead horse on this issue, but that is both significant and unheard of in Rangers history.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Then Kakko will be forced to play the most minutes against the best opposition and I don't think he's ready or it's good for his development just yet. That's why splitting the "top dogs" makes more sense to me. As I mentioned maybe the perception of "demotion" sets up a little bit more urgency in Panarin's game, Strome has been getting better since his slow start and maybe Kakko is starting to feel more confident.

Make Andersson 3C, recall Nieves who brings speed and a bigger body to the 4th line, and demote Howden.

I understand the idea of splitting up the top guys. And I would say it makes sense to shelter Kakko from other team's top pairing if he was thriving.

Again, the goal to me is to get Kakko going, confident and productive. And it's not like the team is winning anyway.

And like True Blue mentioned, I too am befuddled by not giving Andersson a chance at the 2 or 3 C spot.

 

[kovazub94]

If the organization has any aspirations of howden improving he needs to go to the AHL. He's nowhere near ready for a 2c role and having him as a 4c will be close to useless for him. I do not understand why nieves wasn't the team's go to option for 4c to start off in the first place. Instead they choose to give andersson 4c minutes??????? Call nieves up and give him the 4c position. Move howden to the ahl. Move andersson up to 3c or give him his cup of coffee on the 2nd line since everyone else has gotten a shot at it. If chytil's play without the puck is improving then call him up around the start of the November.

At the start of the season with Namestnikov on the roster there was no room for one of Nieves, McKegg and Haley. After the trade and limited number of game the front office was banking on cap space and taking measures of the performance from the varsity group. If Howden gave adequate performance I'd had no problem with the current set up. But being a 2 g/g team is not going to cut it and none of the 2-4 lines has performed anything near acceptable. One of Howden or Andersson has to go to Hartford and be replaced by Nieves.

 

[kovazub94]

I understand the idea of splitting up the top guys. And I would say it makes sense to shelter Kakko from other team's top pairing if he was thriving.

Like True Blue mentioned, I am befuddled by not giving Andersson a chance at the 2 or 3 C spot.

Same but I think this change is coming.

Specifically 3C IMHO as I'd hold Strome in 2C spot with Panarin and Kakko. Too much responsibility to be a sophomore in 2C and also being asked to cover for a rookie.

 

[NikC]

Those heightened expectations come solely and completely from fans ignoring what the front office has been saying. You think it added a sense of urgency, but no one around the team does.

I'm sure some fans feel this way, I dont, because i see the the deficiencies throughout the lineup.

I dont know how you can say "no one around the team does", especially with everything Lundqvist has said publicly about being competitive again. I mean just look at coach, and the way he overreacts to what is just the process of young players, acclimating to the NHL., Benchings, players getting sent down, its BS.

 

[Kovalev27]

you are drastically underrating how bad this roster is...not surprising since you thought we would be a playoff team last year. but if you look at what the young kids are now and not what you project them to be. this team is historically bad

I thought it would be a playoff team last year? Lol no I was fully on board with a top 5 pick

but you’re talking like this team should NEVeR win games. No way they should be that bad. I do think this team should be in the playoff race. Like I said earlier if this team is a bottom 5 team and Panarin and Mika are producing it means NO ONE took steps forward and that would be a huge failure. No reason to be this bad.