Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

I feel like you could really see the sense of entitlement with the way the lines have shaken out over the years. Even last night they were continually getting almost all of the Power Play time. What message does it send to the young players when they’ll produce and get nothing for it?

For years it’s felt like 2 different teams with the old players and the young players being separated. Last year was the first year with Lafreniere that any of the older players accepted playing with a young one.

I know we all love Bread, but it always rubbed me the wrong way that he and Strome didn’t want to play with Kakko. For the good of the team and the franchise he needed to take him under his wing.

100%. It's always been hinted at and it's clear it was always true. If you didnt play pond hockey with our butter soft top 6 staples (Panarin, Kreider, Mika), you didnt play. Has anything changed?

 

[GAGLine]

Panarin is the first guy I would move. He's 33, only has 1 year left, and we can get a very good return for him at 50%.

Plus, trading him will send by far the biggest message to the rest of the team.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin is the first guy I would move. He's 33, only has 1 year left, and we can get a very good return for him at 50%.

Plus, trading him will send by far the biggest message to the rest of the team.

Rangers can look to move him and Kreider as we get closer to the deadline imo. Trouba, Lindgren, Smith should go in advance. Once Zibanejad's cronies are gone you can go to him with the ultimatum in the summer. 4C or waive your NMC.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Call up Othmann when he's healthy and rolling again, Vesey sits. Smith extra guy

Panarin Chytil Lafreniere
Kreider Trochek Othmann
Cuylle Zibanejad Kakko
Edstrom Carrick Berard

I dont care what people's opinion of Othmann is, he's physical, has a scorers touch and might drag Kreider and Troch into the fight.

That’s why he has missed a good portion of his season. 180 lb physical players miss games. How long did Berard last, 3 games? Look at Lindgren. We all want Kreider to be Stone, but Kreider would have played 150 less games and perhaps be out of the league by now.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The Rangers need their goalies to be very good/great to win

Save % above .913 the Rangers are 11-1
Save % below .913 the Rangers are 2-8

A trade isn't coming to rescue the season right now. Either straighten up or the Rangers season will spiral out of control.

Vince STFU, nobody tells you anything and you know nothing.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Pat Riley used to have a really talented Lakers team but they would sometimes lose because they would be outworked on the boards. He said, "no rebounds no rings". Meaning was no matter how talented that if they get out hustled on the boards they weren't going to win. This team has a lot of issues but it started with a lack of hustle. If they don't win the hustle battles including on the boards (especially in their own end) then nothing else will be enough. Some people saw this coming for a long time. Throw out all the goofy stats. None of them matter when the team plays softer than Kleenex.

 

[McRanger92]

Vince STFU, nobody tells you anything and you know nothing.

Vince just repeats ideas we come up with and parrots whatever narrative Friedman and the other top "insiders' get fed from the agents.

The way I see it, there are 10 or so teams that should be motivated to shake things up. Contenders and pretenders alike. Unfortunately their GMs are most likely coward like ours.

 

[bernmeister]

You traded Adam Fox and got back Noah Juulsen to replace him. I feel like "coupla small adds" is doing a lot of work here.

Accept shame for misrepresenting that out of context trying to make bern look bad.
Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids; and silly poster, bern's detailed posts deserve accurate review/assessment, not short shrift.

In that deal we get ahead of Fox before his wheels further decline, but more importantly, we unload Zib and his nmc and get Miller who is also w/issues but producing, and if he wants out, we can more readily flip him to a place where he is comfy which will give us goodies.
THAT ^ is worth LD issues short term.

So not counting any other deals, one RD goes lefty short term, and so we play Scanlin + Mackey, etc. So what? Deal w/it.

Also, in that VAN deal, we are getting Forbort who is currently IR. Unclear what that is/for how long. He is LD w/size. Can be stopgap, possible depth next yr/on 1 yr deal. Cheap.

Also, we have hope that while nobody does anybody any favors for free, we can move a Sykora type for a decent LD or 2

If you watch the rangers right now and continue to target lindgren as the first who should be a casualty then you are a clown.

This isn't about skill or who's the best player, this is about the cancers that are entitlement and laziness.

Lindgren is not the best d man on the team, but he is neither entitled nor is he lazy. He is literally not who you target to send a message to the rest of the team. He is a pending UFA that most people already questioned would be here past this season due to his 1 year extension and if your move to send a message to the team is to trade him that clown level garbage. If Drury does that then it's just another weak want to be tough move that misses addressing the issues with the team culture. This isn't just personnel, this is a team cultural issue at this point.

agree and disagree here
Concur Lindy is less deserving of getting slimed compared to others, BUT he should have been sold high 2-3 yrs ago when he could have gotten a 20-ish OA pick.
Rs did not listen to me, AGAIN, and we are suffering b'c of it, AGAIN.

Lindy is showing signs of getting on the mend, and he is a good guy, I am happy for that.
But he has taken WAY WAY WAY too much wear and tear.
He is blocking Mancini, who eff this bull about don't subject to growing pains, needs to be here now.

If he goes, it will be a message that anyone/everyone can go, and that needs to be sent.
Don't be concerned w/optics here. Move him first opportunity.

And yes/no, talent and effort are 2 sides of the same coin, all of one or the other is worthless.

Would've been easier to just not bring him back in the first place.

Swapping out him and Trouba were the moves to make last summer but Drury couldn't get it done.

Should have moved him 2+ yrs ago
failing that, should have sold before his last contract finished.

Quinton Byfield is Geralt of Rivia's true child of surprise.

That may or may not be true.
All I know is I want a look at
Kreider - Byfield - Kakko
right now

That, plus adding JTM + Ratty
unloading Zib + Bread + Vesey
playing high energy Rempe real minutes
all goes long way to fix our F probs

The Florida series was the tipping point. They were 5 minutes away from taking a 3-0 series lead, and then never won another game after that.

This core is finished. The players are not finished, any collection of these players will flourish elsewhere, but as constructed currently this roster is no longer competitive.

Zibanejad is a talent center. This is not the team for him

Trouba is an average #4-5 dman. He is not worth $8M and clearly there is a rift with him and management. Gorton is an idiot for giving him an NTC and giving him the leverage to control his destiny. That's shit GMing...

Kreider is an amazing piece that will always put up a 50-60 point performance every year and will bring more than just those points, but a major issue on this team is the kreider-zib combination. While I admit that Drury has completely f***ED himself with no real RW1, there's also the point to be made that clearly NOBODY can play RW with Kreider and Zib.... That's a line construction problem, and yet somehow these guys can't play with anyone else. That's a major problem with this roster and a significant reason why RW1 has been a God damned carousel for the last 5 years

Millers development has stunted here. Either get him some better coaching or move him, this is his ceiling on this team

We better better hope that panarin wants to stick around on a shorter term deal because if he walks we're going to suck so bad. Him, laf, trocheck are the key remaining pieces here .


This team needs something NEW, not something BETTER.

General strong agree.
FL broke us, but that is b'c weaker vets were/are breakable.
LISTEN TO BERN
REPURPOSE VETS WHILE THEY STILL HAVE VALUE INTO YOUTH
stop win now epic fail = false, erroneous approach
quality youth = how to stay ahead of the cap curve and extend the window

Kreider is the exception, and bread we should sell high on now.
Has strong NMC, but if dealt locally, we can make out ok

Rangers can look to move him and Kreider as we get closer to the deadline imo. Trouba, Lindgren, Smith should go in advance. Once Zibanejad's cronies are gone you can go to him with the ultimatum in the summer. 4C or waive your NMC.

NO NO NO NO
I don't want Zib to win
He is more responsible for this prima donna posturing than any other
we have to pay him
we don't have to play him
He can be healthy scratch and sit until he waives.
Kreider is not to be a hostage here

sure, Lindgren, Trouba move also Smith, fine

 

[Mike in Houston]

The sense of entitlement is so transparent. Kreider and Mika shouldnt take the ice again with A's on their chest. And Trouba has shamed himself and the C on his sweater with his play this year. I would put him on waivers. Who the hell cares about winning a trade? Send a message. Lindgren and Smith should be dealt for whatever they can get before Friday's game. Their play warrants it.

Laviolette legitimately doesnt have a clue in terms of what's going on in the locker room. Its crazy to me that, too a man, the players thought they played a better game. They got outworked in every facet for the 10th+ straight game but "we did some good things". At least Kreider scored another meaningless PP goal. Something needs to happen soon because I hate to see that Fox and Lafreniere and others are starting to show these bad habits that there leaders condone on a nightly basis. If the team has to take multiple steps back to move forward, it is what it is.

I'm starting to think you've got a thing for Kreider.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm starting to think you've got a thing for Kreider.

I do. He's the face of yet another decade of coming up short. Id easily trade his boyfriend Mika but that's never happening unless Kreider goes first.

 

[SA16]

I feel like you could really see the sense of entitlement with the way the lines have shaken out over the years. Even last night they were continually getting almost all of the Power Play time. What message does it send to the young players when they’ll produce and get nothing for it?

For years it’s felt like 2 different teams with the old players and the young players being separated. Last year was the first year with Lafreniere that any of the older players accepted playing with a young one.

I know we all love Bread, but it always rubbed me the wrong way that he and Strome didn’t want to play with Kakko. For the good of the team and the franchise he needed to take him under his wing.

They got all of the power play time last night because they were in the zone the whole time. I don't think there was a time after like 75 seconds in the PP where there was a clear and they stayed out. Were they supposed to change while controlling the puck in the offensive zone?

 

[Mike in Houston]

I just like that Larry used "butt-hurt".

 

[UnparalledPark]

The sense of entitlement is so transparent. Kreider and Mika shouldnt take the ice again with A's on their chest. And Trouba has shamed himself and the C on his sweater with his play this year. I would put him on waivers. Who the hell cares about winning a trade? Send a message. Lindgren and Smith should be dealt for whatever they can get before Friday's game. Their play warrants it.

Laviolette legitimately doesnt have a clue in terms of what's going on in the locker room. Its crazy to me that, too a man, the players thought they played a better game. They got outworked in every facet for the 10th+ straight game but "we did some good things". At least Kreider scored another meaningless PP goal. Something needs to happen soon because I hate to see that Fox and Lafreniere and others are starting to show these bad habits that there leaders condone on a nightly basis. If the team has to take multiple steps back to move forward, it is what it is.

Yes, let’s do what you say. Then we can start calling our team the Buffalo Sabres. I suspect if Kakko or Laf scored you wouldn’t have called it a meaningless goal.

 

[McRanger92]

Yes, let’s do what you say. Then we can start calling our team the Buffalo Sabres. I suspect if Kakko or Laf scored you wouldn’t have called it a meaningless goal.

Lol I definitely would have called it meaningless. Im a fan of the Rangers, not individual players. And why are we the Buffalo Sabres if we trade a 34 with 4 even strength goals and a bad back? Do you enjoy watching what we've watched for the last month?

 

[Mike in Houston]

Lol I definitely would have called it meaningless. Im a fan of the Rangers, not individual players. And why are we the Buffalo Sabres if we trade a 34 with 4 even strength goals and a bad back? Do you enjoy watching what we've watched for the last month?

Who would want a 34 with 4 even strength goals and bad back?

 

[McRanger92]

Who would want a 34 with 4 even strength goals and bad back?

Plenty of dumb GMs out there, or so I've been told. But yes, his detailed description of his debilitating back injury was another sign of his excellent leadership. Just like Trouba's broken ankle in the playoffs that he couldnt wait to tell everyone about.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Plenty of dumb GMs out there, or so I've been told. But yes, his detailed description of his debilitating back injury was another sign of his excellent leadership. Just like Trouba's broken ankle in the playoffs that he couldnt wait to tell everyone about.

So now we don't want players to be honest about what they're going through? We want the subterfuge of UBI and LBI? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I want Kreider to be a forever Ranger. It's so rare so I understand it likely won't happen.

 

[McRanger92]

So now we don't want players to be honest about what they're going through? We want the subterfuge of UBI and LBI? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I want Kreider to be a forever Ranger. It's so rare so I understand it likely won't happen.

Id rather guys just not play if they are hurt. It's killed us for years. Strome in 2022, Trouba in 2024, Lindgren all the time, etc. Kreider describing his injury like that in the middle of a terrible stretch of play with trade rumors circulating, is a bad look.

 

[surlysailor]

I could see a move of Panarin to FL. He'd most likely agree to waive there(not sure anywhere else he would) but maybe something like Panarin 50% for Lundell a 2026 or 2027 1st and Sawchyn? I think Panarin at 50% should get more from another team with better assets but don't know if he'd waive anywhere else so it probably is to NYR disadvantage.

 

[alkurtz]

I know my opinion is not the accepted one: I totally reject the "entitled," "lack of effort" reasons for what is going on.

I see a team in physical decline due to age, injury, or style of play: Kreider, Zib, Trouba, Panarin, Lindgren, Fox.

I see a team whose young players are not progressing as we had hoped: Laf, KK, Chytil (due to injuries), Miller, Schneider. There are some good players here but nobody is outstanding.

Collectively, this makes for a team that is simply not that good. A team can withstand one or two players who fall into that category, but not as many as this.

This iteration of the team has simply run its course.

What I am coming to, agreeing with most here, is that perhaps it is time to "blow it up." I know we all love Othmann, Perrault, Mancini, Berard. But these are not enough.

This is a tough situation given the cap and the reality of where some contracts are.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Id rather guys just not play if they are hurt. It's killed us for years. Strome in 2022, Trouba in 2024, Lindgren all the time, etc. Kreider describing his injury like that in the middle of a terrible stretch of play with trade rumors circulating, is a bad look.

I'll chalk it up to poor timing. I don't believe he did it as a way of saying, "I'm damaged goods, don't trade me." He's not that type of player in my mind. He would have said the same shit if the team was on a 10 game heater. That's what I'll choose to believe.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would Florida consider trading Spencer Knight?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Would Florida consider trading Spencer Knight?

Highly unlikely. He's their future after next season when Bob's contract is up.

 

[Vitto79]

Would Florida consider trading Spencer Knight?

They would cause he’s not that good and an overpaid backup

Detroit and Ottawa are equally willing to make a trade I bet

Getter done

 

[The Crypto Guy]

They got all of the power play time last night because they were in the zone the whole time. I don't think there was a time after like 75 seconds in the PP where there was a clear and they stayed out. Were they supposed to change while controlling the puck in the offensive zone?

Still defending the useless PP that Lav refuses to change? But i'm glad they could keep the puck in the zone, because that helped us on the scoreboard.