Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

At the very least Lindgren should be toast by Friday. As mentioned before, it checks every box.

Any thing bigger is going to have to wait because there is NO way that they're going to try to tear it down in the first week of December. Hockey trades are one thing but those are hard to make now and this GM shouldn't be the one making them.

I do think you may see the Trouba trade expedited to the deadline though. Theres no way he's having any fun right now and 2-3 months away from the fam is an easier pill to swallow than 7-9.

It’s over for Kreider here. Capitalize on his value now before teams realize he doesn’t hustle or compete 5v5. Can add much needed depth or a young defenseman

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[bleedblue94]

If you watch the rangers right now and continue to target lindgren as the first who should be a casualty then you are a clown.

This isn't about skill or who's the best player, this is about the cancers that are entitlement and laziness.

Lindgren is not the best d man on the team, but he is neither entitled nor is he lazy. He is literally not who you target to send a message to the rest of the team. He is a pending UFA that most people already questioned would be here past this season due to his 1 year extension and if your move to send a message to the team is to trade him that clown level garbage. If Drury does that then it's just another weak want to be tough move that misses addressing the issues with the team culture. This isn't just personnel, this is a team cultural issue at this point.

 

[Hire Sather]

If you watch the rangers right now and continue to target lindgren as the first who should be a casualty then you are a clown.

This isn't about skill or who's the best player, this is about the cancers that are entitlement and laziness.

Lindgren is not the best d man on the team, but he is neither entitled nor is he lazy. He is literally not who you target to send a message to the rest of the team. He is a pending UFA that most people already questioned would be here past this season due to his 1 year extension and if your move to send a message to the team is to trade him that clown level garbage. If Drury does that then it's just another weak want to be tough move that misses addressing the issues with the team culture. This isn't just personnel, this is a team cultural issue at this point.

Would've been easier to just not bring him back in the first place.

Swapping out him and Trouba were the moves to make last summer but Drury couldn't get it done.

 

[bleedblue94]

Would've been easier to just not bring him back in the first place.

Swapping out him and Trouba were the moves to make last summer but Drury couldn't get it done.

Trouba had the leverage and people continue to avoid that truth. They tried but it couldn't happen. The trouba thing affected the whole off-season plan.

 

[noncents]

If you watch the rangers right now and continue to target lindgren as the first who should be a casualty then you are a clown.

This isn't about skill or who's the best player, this is about the cancers that are entitlement and laziness.

Lindgren is not the best d man on the team, but he is neither entitled nor is he lazy. He is literally not who you target to send a message to the rest of the team. He is a pending UFA that most people already questioned would be here past this season due to his 1 year extension and if your move to send a message to the team is to trade him that clown level garbage. If Drury does that then it's just another weak want to be tough move that misses addressing the issues with the team culture. This isn't just personnel, this is a team cultural issue at this point.

effort is not a replacement for talent.

 

[n8]

I'm fine w/da bold as long as no one is insinuating I effed them over
:;

Quinton Byfield is Geralt of Rivia's true child of surprise.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

effort is not a replacement for talent.

Yeah if anyone things that effort alone is the issue with this team then they aren’t really in tune with what’s going on here.

There is a lot to unpack and there are problems up and down the lineup but it really needs to start with getting rid of our worst players and replacing them with better ones.

 

[JimmyG89]

Obviously this is awful, but the results aren't going to get better before the results are worse.

The good news is that whatever the new version of the Rangers will be, they will compete. New voices will be amplified and it is needed.

The young players will make mistakes, but not because of effort.

Hate to say it, but Florida broke them. It was bound to happen. The last core was done in after that Ottawa series (could say the Pens the year before).

It's almost like the top end guys thought they'd waltz through 82 games and the young guys are pushing to be around that, because they weren't guaranteed anything.

It's disappointing because everyone knew, even with some small changes, but more than what they actually did, that this would be it, and the first bit of adversity and they've crumbled. No coach can fix that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Seriously what do you think can change? Do you think there's a Kreider/Othmann for Korchinski deal on the table that Drury will hammer YES on if they lose one game? Do you think Lavi will get canned because of one game? What's the possible move?

If there was a coach out there they thought was an upgrade I bet Lavi gets the hook. Not sure they'd go down the coach Q road though

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Wonder if the coach and gm have the balls to bench a vet or two

 

[BlueGoose27]

We might have some news tomorrow

 

[TheTakedown]

Obviously this is awful, but the results aren't going to get better before the results are worse.

The good news is that whatever the new version of the Rangers will be, they will compete. New voices will be amplified and it is needed.

The young players will make mistakes, but not because of effort.

Hate to say it, but Florida broke them. It was bound to happen. The last core was done in after that Ottawa series (could say the Pens the year before).

It's almost like the top end guys thought they'd waltz through 82 games and the young guys are pushing to be around that, because they weren't guaranteed anything.

It's disappointing because everyone knew, even with some small changes, but more than what they actually did, that this would be it, and the first bit of adversity and they've crumbled. No coach can fix that.

The Florida series was the tipping point. They were 5 minutes away from taking a 3-0 series lead, and then never won another game after that.

This core is finished. The players are not finished, any collection of these players will flourish elsewhere, but as constructed currently this roster is no longer competitive.

Zibanejad is a talent center. This is not the team for him

Trouba is an average #4-5 dman. He is not worth $8M and clearly there is a rift with him and management. Gorton is an idiot for giving him an NTC and giving him the leverage to control his destiny. That's shit GMing...

Kreider is an amazing piece that will always put up a 50-60 point performance every year and will bring more than just those points, but a major issue on this team is the kreider-zib combination. While I admit that Drury has completely f***ED himself with no real RW1, there's also the point to be made that clearly NOBODY can play RW with Kreider and Zib.... That's a line construction problem, and yet somehow these guys can't play with anyone else. That's a major problem with this roster and a significant reason why RW1 has been a God damned carousel for the last 5 years

Millers development has stunted here. Either get him some better coaching or move him, this is his ceiling on this team

We better better hope that panarin wants to stick around on a shorter term deal because if he walks we're going to suck so bad. Him, laf, trocheck are the key remaining pieces here .


This team needs something NEW, not something BETTER.

 

[Circus86]

Me having a break from hockey and checking the forums since a long time to see how the Rangers are doing:

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[bleedblue94]

effort is not a replacement for talent.

Talent has no impact without effort.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yeah if anyone things that effort alone is the issue with this team then they aren’t really in tune with what’s going on here.

There is a lot to unpack and there are problems up and down the lineup but it really needs to start with getting rid of our worst players and replacing them with better ones.

There are four sure personnel issues throughout this lineup and organization, but there is a cancer growing here again. The country club is in effect again and it's been developing for a few years under the surface. That doesn't change by just getting "better players," there is a type of player and personality that is needed to help combat the country club and other challenges that historically come with nyr teams. You can bring in better or more talented players, but there are plenty of those that we'll fall into the laziness/entitlement trap that exists here right now. Management needs to be strategic about how they reshape this roster over the next 18 months bc they will not only be reshaping the roster but they will be reshaping the culture around the team and organization.

 

[RangerBoy]

It’s over for Kreider here. Capitalize on his value now before teams realize he doesn’t hustle or compete 5v5. Can add much needed depth or a young defenseman

It's over for many players here. The Rangers being bad is better than the Rangers winning which camouflages the Rangers faults. The Rangers win some people hold out hope this team puts it together. Somehow.

The Rangers beat the Habs and Montreal is one of the worst teams in every category. The Rangers needed Dach to take a 4 minute penalty in the offensive zone to win.

 

[Mike in Houston]

How Chris Drury needs to meet this moment of Rangers crisis with entitled core that keeps failing​

The Rangers do not play again until Friday when the Penguins come to the Garden, but the next three days will be the most critical of a season that is fast becoming a sinkhole.

President and general manager Chris Drury has the responsibility to hold a heart-to-heart with his team, both as a collective unit and in one-on-one meetings, to determine who exactly wants to be here and who is too butt-hurt to play for his teammates.

The standard of play at the Garden on Monday was actually the best it’s been for a couple of weeks, but the Rangers still were drubbed by the Devils 5-1 for their sixth regulation loss in the last seven games.

There were turnovers in the most deadly areas, there were odd-man rushes and breakaways early that led to an almost immediate 2-0 deficit that the Blueshirts were unable to overcome. It didn’t help at all that this was the night that Igor Shesterkin, under siege nearly all season, not only bent but broke while outplayed decisively at the other end by Jacob Markstrom.

There was an unusually lengthy delay between the end of the game and head coach Peter Laviolette’s press briefing. There were no bombshells but we can all assume that Laviolette did not get lost on his way through the corridor.

Moments of crisis have arrived on Broadway even before the lighting of the tree at Rockefeller Center.

Where have you gone Neil Smith and John Muckler?

The team’s season-long scattered play has nose-dived through this stretch, the last five games of which followed the now infamous “memo” distributed through the league in which Drury announced that, among others, Jacob Trouba and Chris Kreider were available.

A little bit about that. We have learned from an industry source that Drury did not send out a “memo,” but rather posted a message through Subtext that connects the NHL’s 32 GM’s. We are told that this type of message containing sensitive information is not unique.

I have said that I believe this was a mistake and that Drury should have addressed the team before taking that action. No one wants to see his name thrown around in trade rumors by his GM. But it happens regularly. It is part of the business, albeit an unattractive one.

But when the contents of the message became public, the team seemed to go into a fetal position. These are good people, but for a veteran group, it has reacted as immaturely as possible. There somehow is a strain of victimization running through the team. It seems everywhere you turn, there is an aggrieved party.

I’d heard at the start of camp that there was bitterness over the way Barclay Goodrow was waived to San Jose just about two weeks after the Rangers were eliminated by the Panthers. That’s come up again over the last week.

It’s absurd. The Rangers needed to clear space. Everyone knew they were going to try to extricate themselves from Goodrow’s contract. Drury accomplished that, but apparently it was bad form not to notify the veteran until a few minutes before he actually was put on the waiver list.

What are we talking about here? Goodrow was not sent to the gulag. He was sent to San Jose. Since when does a general manager have that kind of obligation? Would an hour before have been sufficient? Or maybe Drury should have given Goodrow 48 or 72 hours to process it.

It’s ridiculous. This is pro sports. This is big business. The Rangers acted within their CBA rights. Does anyone think Lou Lamoriello was touchy-feely with his guys while presiding over a Devils team that won three Cups in nine years from 1995 to 2003?

I like and respect these players as individuals. They are good people. But there’s something off with the group. There is a sense of entitlement. There is a sense of comfortability. Maybe it’s because of the big-money contracts, maybe it’s because of the plethora of no-move and no-move trade clauses.

But it is unbecoming. This core — and again, filled with people I generally like — has never won a thing unless you want to count the Presidents’ Trophy that no one does.

Trouba knew within days of the Rangers’ elimination that they were going to do everything in their power to trade him in order to clear cap space and remodel the team to as great an extent as possible. He did everything in his power to block it and turn a five-year no-move into a six-year no-move.

Now about a month into the season, he knows that they still want to trade him. It has become untenable to have a lame-duck captain who is detached. I know the personal scenario but every player in the league has a personal scenario.

Why he wants to remain in a place where he is obviously not wanted strikes me as counterproductive to everyone’s health and to the Rangers’ ability to stop this slide before they are all buried alive.

I don’t think Laviolette or his staff have a particularly good handle on this. There is almost no stability. Vincent Trocheck played between two sets of wingers over last year’s 82 games. He has played with five sets of wingers within the first 24 games of this year.

But it’s the players, it’s the core who are failing. It’s the players, it’s the core who have been such a disappointment.

They may think they can prove a point by quitting on Drury, but if that is the case, they are only quitting on themselves.

The Rangers have three days before their next game. They are the most important three days of the season.

Who is in and who wants out?

That’s the issue Drury must resolve.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers need their goalies to be very good/great to win

Save % above .913 the Rangers are 11-1
Save % below .913 the Rangers are 2-8

A trade isn't coming to rescue the season right now. Either straighten up or the Rangers season will spiral out of control.

 

[RangerBoy]

How Chris Drury needs to meet this moment of Rangers crisis with entitled core that keeps failing​

The Rangers do not play again until Friday when the Penguins come to the Garden, but the next three days will be the most critical of a season that is fast becoming a sinkhole.

President and general manager Chris Drury has the responsibility to hold a heart-to-heart with his team, both as a collective unit and in one-on-one meetings, to determine who exactly wants to be here and who is too butt-hurt to play for his teammates.

The standard of play at the Garden on Monday was actually the best it’s been for a couple of weeks, but the Rangers still were drubbed by the Devils 5-1 for their sixth regulation loss in the last seven games.

There were turnovers in the most deadly areas, there were odd-man rushes and breakaways early that led to an almost immediate 2-0 deficit that the Blueshirts were unable to overcome. It didn’t help at all that this was the night that Igor Shesterkin, under siege nearly all season, not only bent but broke while outplayed decisively at the other end by Jacob Markstrom.

There was an unusually lengthy delay between the end of the game and head coach Peter Laviolette’s press briefing. There were no bombshells but we can all assume that Laviolette did not get lost on his way through the corridor.

Moments of crisis have arrived on Broadway even before the lighting of the tree at Rockefeller Center.

Where have you gone Neil Smith and John Muckler?

The team’s season-long scattered play has nose-dived through this stretch, the last five games of which followed the now infamous “memo” distributed through the league in which Drury announced that, among others, Jacob Trouba and Chris Kreider were available.

A little bit about that. We have learned from an industry source that Drury did not send out a “memo,” but rather posted a message through Subtext that connects the NHL’s 32 GM’s. We are told that this type of message containing sensitive information is not unique.

I have said that I believe this was a mistake and that Drury should have addressed the team before taking that action. No one wants to see his name thrown around in trade rumors by his GM. But it happens regularly. It is part of the business, albeit an unattractive one.

But when the contents of the message became public, the team seemed to go into a fetal position. These are good people, but for a veteran group, it has reacted as immaturely as possible. There somehow is a strain of victimization running through the team. It seems everywhere you turn, there is an aggrieved party.

I’d heard at the start of camp that there was bitterness over the way Barclay Goodrow was waived to San Jose just about two weeks after the Rangers were eliminated by the Panthers. That’s come up again over the last week.

It’s absurd. The Rangers needed to clear space. Everyone knew they were going to try to extricate themselves from Goodrow’s contract. Drury accomplished that, but apparently it was bad form not to notify the veteran until a few minutes before he actually was put on the waiver list.

What are we talking about here? Goodrow was not sent to the gulag. He was sent to San Jose. Since when does a general manager have that kind of obligation? Would an hour before have been sufficient? Or maybe Drury should have given Goodrow 48 or 72 hours to process it.

It’s ridiculous. This is pro sports. This is big business. The Rangers acted within their CBA rights. Does anyone think Lou Lamoriello was touchy-feely with his guys while presiding over a Devils team that won three Cups in nine years from 1995 to 2003?

I like and respect these players as individuals. They are good people. But there’s something off with the group. There is a sense of entitlement. There is a sense of comfortability. Maybe it’s because of the big-money contracts, maybe it’s because of the plethora of no-move and no-move trade clauses.

But it is unbecoming. This core — and again, filled with people I generally like — has never won a thing unless you want to count the Presidents’ Trophy that no one does.

Trouba knew within days of the Rangers’ elimination that they were going to do everything in their power to trade him in order to clear cap space and remodel the team to as great an extent as possible. He did everything in his power to block it and turn a five-year no-move into a six-year no-move.

Now about a month into the season, he knows that they still want to trade him. It has become untenable to have a lame-duck captain who is detached. I know the personal scenario but every player in the league has a personal scenario.

Why he wants to remain in a place where he is obviously not wanted strikes me as counterproductive to everyone’s health and to the Rangers’ ability to stop this slide before they are all buried alive.

I don’t think Laviolette or his staff have a particularly good handle on this. There is almost no stability. Vincent Trocheck played between two sets of wingers over last year’s 82 games. He has played with five sets of wingers within the first 24 games of this year.

But it’s the players, it’s the core who are failing. It’s the players, it’s the core who have been such a disappointment.

They may think they can prove a point by quitting on Drury, but if that is the case, they are only quitting on themselves.

The Rangers have three days before their next game. They are the most important three days of the season.

Who is in and who wants out?

That’s the issue Drury must resolve.

The players are still mad about Goodrow. These guys are ridiculous.

Country club atmosphere.

Lose every game.

 

[LionsHeart]

This is the team going to the deadline. No one’s going to do them any favors right now.

 

[RangerBoy]

This is the team going to the deadline. No one’s going to do them any favors right now.

Lose. Hurt for Hagens.

 

[McRanger92]

How Chris Drury needs to meet this moment of Rangers crisis with entitled core that keeps failing​

The Rangers do not play again until Friday when the Penguins come to the Garden, but the next three days will be the most critical of a season that is fast becoming a sinkhole.

President and general manager Chris Drury has the responsibility to hold a heart-to-heart with his team, both as a collective unit and in one-on-one meetings, to determine who exactly wants to be here and who is too butt-hurt to play for his teammates.

The standard of play at the Garden on Monday was actually the best it’s been for a couple of weeks, but the Rangers still were drubbed by the Devils 5-1 for their sixth regulation loss in the last seven games.

There were turnovers in the most deadly areas, there were odd-man rushes and breakaways early that led to an almost immediate 2-0 deficit that the Blueshirts were unable to overcome. It didn’t help at all that this was the night that Igor Shesterkin, under siege nearly all season, not only bent but broke while outplayed decisively at the other end by Jacob Markstrom.

There was an unusually lengthy delay between the end of the game and head coach Peter Laviolette’s press briefing. There were no bombshells but we can all assume that Laviolette did not get lost on his way through the corridor.

Moments of crisis have arrived on Broadway even before the lighting of the tree at Rockefeller Center.

Where have you gone Neil Smith and John Muckler?

The team’s season-long scattered play has nose-dived through this stretch, the last five games of which followed the now infamous “memo” distributed through the league in which Drury announced that, among others, Jacob Trouba and Chris Kreider were available.

A little bit about that. We have learned from an industry source that Drury did not send out a “memo,” but rather posted a message through Subtext that connects the NHL’s 32 GM’s. We are told that this type of message containing sensitive information is not unique.

I have said that I believe this was a mistake and that Drury should have addressed the team before taking that action. No one wants to see his name thrown around in trade rumors by his GM. But it happens regularly. It is part of the business, albeit an unattractive one.

But when the contents of the message became public, the team seemed to go into a fetal position. These are good people, but for a veteran group, it has reacted as immaturely as possible. There somehow is a strain of victimization running through the team. It seems everywhere you turn, there is an aggrieved party.

I’d heard at the start of camp that there was bitterness over the way Barclay Goodrow was waived to San Jose just about two weeks after the Rangers were eliminated by the Panthers. That’s come up again over the last week.

It’s absurd. The Rangers needed to clear space. Everyone knew they were going to try to extricate themselves from Goodrow’s contract. Drury accomplished that, but apparently it was bad form not to notify the veteran until a few minutes before he actually was put on the waiver list.

What are we talking about here? Goodrow was not sent to the gulag. He was sent to San Jose. Since when does a general manager have that kind of obligation? Would an hour before have been sufficient? Or maybe Drury should have given Goodrow 48 or 72 hours to process it.

It’s ridiculous. This is pro sports. This is big business. The Rangers acted within their CBA rights. Does anyone think Lou Lamoriello was touchy-feely with his guys while presiding over a Devils team that won three Cups in nine years from 1995 to 2003?

I like and respect these players as individuals. They are good people. But there’s something off with the group. There is a sense of entitlement. There is a sense of comfortability. Maybe it’s because of the big-money contracts, maybe it’s because of the plethora of no-move and no-move trade clauses.

But it is unbecoming. This core — and again, filled with people I generally like — has never won a thing unless you want to count the Presidents’ Trophy that no one does.

Trouba knew within days of the Rangers’ elimination that they were going to do everything in their power to trade him in order to clear cap space and remodel the team to as great an extent as possible. He did everything in his power to block it and turn a five-year no-move into a six-year no-move.

Now about a month into the season, he knows that they still want to trade him. It has become untenable to have a lame-duck captain who is detached. I know the personal scenario but every player in the league has a personal scenario.

Why he wants to remain in a place where he is obviously not wanted strikes me as counterproductive to everyone’s health and to the Rangers’ ability to stop this slide before they are all buried alive.

I don’t think Laviolette or his staff have a particularly good handle on this. There is almost no stability. Vincent Trocheck played between two sets of wingers over last year’s 82 games. He has played with five sets of wingers within the first 24 games of this year.

But it’s the players, it’s the core who are failing. It’s the players, it’s the core who have been such a disappointment.

They may think they can prove a point by quitting on Drury, but if that is the case, they are only quitting on themselves.

The Rangers have three days before their next game. They are the most important three days of the season.

Who is in and who wants out?

That’s the issue Drury must resolve.

The sense of entitlement is so transparent. Kreider and Mika shouldnt take the ice again with A's on their chest. And Trouba has shamed himself and the C on his sweater with his play this year. I would put him on waivers. Who the hell cares about winning a trade? Send a message. Lindgren and Smith should be dealt for whatever they can get before Friday's game. Their play warrants it.

Laviolette legitimately doesnt have a clue in terms of what's going on in the locker room. Its crazy to me that, too a man, the players thought they played a better game. They got outworked in every facet for the 10th+ straight game but "we did some good things". At least Kreider scored another meaningless PP goal. Something needs to happen soon because I hate to see that Fox and Lafreniere and others are starting to show these bad habits that there leaders condone on a nightly basis. If the team has to take multiple steps back to move forward, it is what it is.

 

[LionsHeart]

I feel like you could really see the sense of entitlement with the way the lines have shaken out over the years. Even last night they were continually getting almost all of the Power Play time. What message does it send to the young players when they’ll produce and get nothing for it?

For years it’s felt like 2 different teams with the old players and the young players being separated. Last year was the first year with Lafreniere that any of the older players accepted playing with a young one.

I know we all love Bread, but it always rubbed me the wrong way that he and Strome didn’t want to play with Kakko. For the good of the team and the franchise he needed to take him under his wing.