Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Paulie Walnutz]

Vince just repeats ideas we come up with and parrots whatever narrative Friedman and the other top "insiders' get fed from the agents.

The way I see it, there are 10 or so teams that should be motivated to shake things up. Contenders and pretenders alike. Unfortunately their GMs are most likely coward like ours.

Our reporters are a joke. None of them ask tough questions. Vince is a good guy but I agree he just regurgitates stuff. Mollie “Mid” Walker is too busy posting mid stuff on TikTok. People hate Brooks but at least he calls the team out.

 

[McRanger92]

Our reporters are a joke. None of them ask tough questions. Vince is a good guy but I agree he just regurgitates stuff. Mollie “Mid” Walker is too busy posting mid stuff on TikTok. People hate Brooks but at least he calls the team out.

All the people who actually keep it real with the Rangers are guys who played for the team like Maloney and Vally. Boyle bites his tongue because he's trying to go places with this media career, but you know he has stuff to say. Guys like Duguay and Avery have been calling out the flaws all year on twitter but they've been ostracized from the rangers community for "some reason" (you can all figure it out).

 

[RangersFan1994]

All the people who actually keep it real with the Rangers are guys who played for the team like Maloney and Vally. Boyle bites his tongue because he's trying to go places with this media career, but you know he has stuff to say. Guys like Duguay and Avery have been calling out the flaws all year on twitter but they've been ostracized from the rangers community for "some reason" (you can all figure it out).

So Dolan and Drury really write the media questions and answers. I am not shocked by that at all.

 

[Mike in Houston]

All the people who actually keep it real with the Rangers are guys who played for the team like Maloney and Vally. Boyle bites his tongue because he's trying to go places with this media career, but you know he has stuff to say. Guys like Duguay and Avery have been calling out the flaws all year on twitter but they've been ostracized from the rangers community for "some reason" (you can all figure it out).

Boyle is a bit more critical on the Post podcast than he is on MSG.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The state the NYR are in is a pretty logical conclusion of the decision to embrace the “2 windows” concept and “win while rebuilding” in 2019/20.

You end up with a vet group dealing with the inevitable shackles of time and a youth group that is good but not good enough to turn the keys over to.

“Blowing it up” is the logical next step. However the org’s impatience the last time they “blew it up” is why they are in this pickle in the first place. Whether that was Dolan, Sather, JD, Gorton, is up for debate. But it is hard to see an NYR org that impatiently went through “the letter” and a “rebuild” 6 years ago (only to build a flawed, poorly constructed team) do something similar again, so soon.

If you look at the truly great cores over the last few decades - Pens, Hawks, Tampa, Avs, maybe now NJD…you see a group of young players that comes up together and establishes an identity. They want to win Cups together, with their friends. Players up and down the lineup take less on contracts to stay with the group.

Hank era NYR had this. The media, players, our fans, opposing fans always talked about how tight that group was. They don’t say that much anymore. That era was a small miraculous blip on the long timeline of NYR teams filled with mercenaries paid at the top of the salary scale. Pay some lip service to effort and winning but ultimately I’ve got mine and I’m here for me.

These culture dynamics are a big reason why Igor’s demands are so unpalatable to me as a fan. Wanting to “reset the goalie scale” I mean what embodies the dysfunctional NYR culture that has plagued this franchise for decades more than that.

There’s no easy fix because to truly fix this requires a complete reset of the culture of the organization. Likely starting from Dolan on down. Half measures that result in a 2nd round team 3-4 years from now is what I’d put money on.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Our reporters are a joke. None of them ask tough questions. Vince is a good guy but I agree he just regurgitates stuff. Mollie “Mid” Walker is too busy posting mid stuff on TikTok. People hate Brooks but at least he calls the team out.

And again. There’s a line they have to walk.
Beat reporters need access and asking “hard questions “ gets them the bare minimum of access, which leads to hindering their career.

Vince at least asks some tough questions. Has an understanding of modern hockey and does actually have enough sources at this point to get rumors and point at things.


His comment about a trade being tough, is that every player we have and want to move sans 55 and Shesty have a ntc /nmc
So the teams they’ll waive to are likely close to the cap. So that means money in/money out.
That makes it tough. You can’t go 10% over and work the cap like the off season, you don’t have a buyout window to play w.

So the rangers likely need contending teams that have someone who needs change of scenery and are underperforming and will have a chance to get better (young)

So guys like zegras. Byfield.
Should be the type of targets.
Jt Miller is a bad choice because hes a short term solution but a regression candidate as well.

 

[TominNC]

The sense of entitlement is so transparent. Kreider and Mika shouldnt take the ice again with A's on their chest. And Trouba has shamed himself and the C on his sweater with his play this year. I would put him on waivers. Who the hell cares about winning a trade? Send a message. Lindgren and Smith should be dealt for whatever they can get before Friday's game. Their play warrants it.

Laviolette legitimately doesnt have a clue in terms of what's going on in the locker room. Its crazy to me that, too a man, the players thought they played a better game. They got outworked in every facet for the 10th+ straight game but "we did some good things". At least Kreider scored another meaningless PP goal. Something needs to happen soon because I hate to see that Fox and Lafreniere and others are starting to show these bad habits that there leaders condone on a nightly basis. If the team has to take multiple steps back to move forward, it is what it is.

Can't put Mika on waivers. NMC

 

[LokiDog]

One way or another, no one on this team has responded to any of the smoke and attention this skid has brought to the team or the rumors of trades. The few guys who have been playing well were playing well before. Not a single player who needed to step up has even wiggled a toe toward improving. I think THAT is even more frustrating than the actual performance because it’s such a F U to the fans. I mean, legitimately, if you were going to buy a Rangers jersey tomorrow and drop $2-300 would you get Cullye or Cullye? Is there a single other player that’s on ice attitude and effort makes you even remotely think “yeah! I wanna spend my hard earned money to rep that player!”

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If the rangers really wanted to shake things up and get heavier and tougher to play against, adam fox and reilly smith for charlie mcavoy, trent frederic and a 1st

 

[McRanger92]

Can't put Mika on waivers. NMC

Trouba on waivers. Mika they need to start making it uncomfortable for. Doesnt seem likely to happen.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I could be wrong but my understanding is that he likes the family scene here, so you gotta get a relocation close by to get him to waive now, most likely NJ.

now since he is not gonna sniff 11.6+ next time around, and will not get extensive years, rational logic suggests w/half-ish or less season remaining, he does yield on next year's latter trade deadline, not this one.

So to answer yr ?, given the above, we are talking bread to Jersey now.
I hoped for Nemec and Silayev if we retained full pop, with acceptable cap dumps going this way, but feedback said that was too much, one or the other.

If I were keeping, I'd go for Silayev and a larger add, but best strategy here is get Nemec
package Nemec + KAM + Shesty (extended 12.2 x 5 2m retained) for Byfield

I get that is massive overpay, but imo that is smartest move here

Kreider - Byfield - _______ best fit based on what else goes down (Kakko?)
and also can see if Gabe P is a better fit next season

Byfield is not worth near that much. In case you haven't noticed he's not putting it together this year as Kings fans hoped. Big risk to never develop enough to live up to his draft hype.

 

[LOFIN]

There was a Kakko interview (don't know when it was done but last week probably) released today on a Finnish newspaper. And I do wonder if the reason Kakko's name was put out there by CJ and Dreger is that his agent is doing some calls.

Do note, this is translated by me, not exactly word to word because Finnish is cryptonite for Google Translate.

Kakko talks about his possible trade cautiously but gives a hint that he wouldn't mind a bigger role.

- It's been the same every year. I'm used to it. It's nice to play in a contending team, but of course I also want to play as much as possible. I just have to keep chugging along, Kakko says.

Would you like a new start at another club?

- You can always ponder about the possibilities. But it's not up to me to decide. I have a contract here and I'm doing everything I can. Let's see how it goes. That's all I have to say about that.

I might go through the entire thing and translate the other stuff on his thread, where he talks about playing with Cuylle and Chytil, his brief stint as the center

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

 

[The Crypto Guy]

 

[bernmeister]

Byfield is not worth near that much. In case you haven't noticed he's not putting it together this year as Kings fans hoped. Big risk to never develop enough to live up to his draft hype.

your op is noted, thank you
on this one, bern will rely on his hunches
I was right about Kreider early on, now Kakko.
By guy will be worth it
would I prefer lower overpay? sure
but still worth it.

 

[DanielBrassard]

There was a Kakko interview (don't know when it was done but last week probably) released today on a Finnish newspaper. And I do wonder if the reason Kakko's name was put out there by CJ and Dreger is that his agent is doing some calls.

Do note, this is translated by me, not exactly word to word because Finnish is cryptonite for Google Translate.

I might go through the entire thing and translate the other stuff on his thread, where he talks about playing with Cuylle and Chytil, his brief stint as the center

I don’t disagree with him, I think it would be best for both parties for Kakko to move on. I know he’s had a better start to the season, however I just think he’s pretty much capped out where he will always be as a player. Not to mention if Perreault is ad advertised he’s never going to surpass the 3rd line here.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

your op is noted, thank you
on this one, bern will rely on his hunches
I was right about Kreider early on, now Kakko.
By guy will be worth it
would I prefer lower overpay? sure
but still worth it.

3 goals and 11 points in 25 games. If anything last years 55 point season is trending to be an outlier. He's still young enough to prove me wrong but its not looking good. I'd do like KAM straight up and that's it.

 

[RangerBoy]

Trouba on waivers. He clears. The Rangers send him to the AHL. Trouba refuses to report. The Rangers suspend him. The contract is breached. Contract is terminated and Trouba becomes a free agent. His agent will scream and cry. They can't really do anything.

If the Rangers tried to trade Trouba and had to retain 25% or 50%, would could they realistically acquire in the exchange? Do the Rangers take back a contract? That doesn't help. Can they get 2nd round pick with 25% or 50% retention? Drury was reportedly willing to retain 25% in the summer.

Maybe waiving him is the best option and Trouba doesn't report. The Rangers get the money off of their books. He has checked out. Maybe he would be more "comfortable" getting traded at the deadline instead of in the summer. It's only 40 days left in the season and whatever happens in the playoffs. Easier to trade him in the summer. We have a long way until July.

I heard Arthur Staple on the morning show with Lazarus and Colby Cohen on YouTube. Arthur reported the Rangers offered Mika to Vancouver for JT Miller. VAN said no. Obviously.

 

[GAGLine]

These culture dynamics are a big reason why Igor’s demands are so unpalatable to me as a fan. Wanting to “reset the goalie scale” I mean what embodies the dysfunctional NYR culture that has plagued this franchise for decades more than that.

I have to admit, it would please me greatly to see Igor sign for considerably less than the 11 mil he turned down.

 

[bernmeister]

I could see a move of Panarin to FL. He'd most likely agree to waive there(not sure anywhere else he would) but maybe something like Panarin 50% for Lundell a 2026 or 2027 1st and Sawchyn? I think Panarin at 50% should get more from another team with better assets but don't know if he'd waive anywhere else so it probably is to NYR disadvantage.

believe atm he is happy daddy prefers to stay 'here'
Jersey is close 'nuf to be here, effectively

last months of his deal, reasonable, plausible he waives since we are not
re-upping, but for right now I would be surprised if not Jersey

that said, he is close friends w/Bob and that MIGHT make a dif to relocate

 

[SnowblindNYR]

3 goals and 11 points in 25 games. If anything last years 55 point season is trending to be an outlier. He's still young enough to prove me wrong but its not looking good. I'd do like KAM straight up and that's it.

Who?

 

[haohmaru]

Stan needs to retire and improve his golf game.

 

[Rangerboy030]

Who?

Byfield I think.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Fischler is a dinosaur who cares what he says

 

[bernmeister]

The state the NYR are in is a pretty logical conclusion of the decision to embrace the “2 windows” concept and “win while rebuilding” in 2019/20.

You end up with a vet group dealing with the inevitable shackles of time and a youth group that is good but not good enough to turn the keys over to.

“Blowing it up” is the logical next step. However the org’s impatience the last time they “blew it up” is why they are in this pickle in the first place. Whether that was Dolan, Sather, JD, Gorton, is up for debate. But it is hard to see an NYR org that impatiently went through “the letter” and a “rebuild” 6 years ago (only to build a flawed, poorly constructed team) do something similar again, so soon.

If you look at the truly great cores over the last few decades - Pens, Hawks, Tampa, Avs, maybe now NJD…you see a group of young players that comes up together and establishes an identity. They want to win Cups together, with their friends. Players up and down the lineup take less on contracts to stay with the group.

Hank era NYR had this. The media, players, our fans, opposing fans always talked about how tight that group was. They don’t say that much anymore. That era was a small miraculous blip on the long timeline of NYR teams filled with mercenaries paid at the top of the salary scale. Pay some lip service to effort and winning but ultimately I’ve got mine and I’m here for me.

These culture dynamics are a big reason why Igor’s demands are so unpalatable to me as a fan. Wanting to “reset the goalie scale” I mean what embodies the dysfunctional NYR culture that has plagued this franchise for decades more than that.

There’s no easy fix because to truly fix this requires a complete reset of the culture of the organization. Likely starting from Dolan on down. Half measures that result in a 2nd round team 3-4 years from now is what I’d put money on.

not entirely wrong but as to the bold
there needs to be bending, buckling, and breaking by Rs mgmt to hard favor vets over youth; WE NEED TO PLAY YOUTH AND ACCEPT GROWING PAINS
no other way