Matt Rentfree
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Sure, we can. "Peca, run practice while I bag skate Zibanejad, Lindgren and Trouba."
Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)
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LOFIN
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Step in the right direction. Next, Schneider with Trouba and Lindgren can sit on the press box
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So our goals aganst being solid is one hundred percent on our goalies.
Something HAS to be done to shore up the chances against.
I don't even know which zone you'd give them more starts in because they're both issues in both rigfht now.
You're comparing two WILDLY different professions. Thankfully the success rate in coaching or managing a sports team is orders of magnitude lower than being a pilot. And as was pointed out coaching/managing is way more subjective.
This guy just can't let Lindgren go to the bottom pair.
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id give them like 4 minutes of 5v5 ice time and have them kill penalties
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I made an analogy, I didn't state an equivalency. You are free to criticize it as I am free to not accept dudes on a message board (no matter how pleasant or knowledgeable or in some cases super funny (none of this is sarcasm)) as being a better authority on NHL coaching than NHL coaches are.
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I have no airplanes or pilots in the game, other than you could land a Strattofortress in front of our goalies, but I'm betting that..
The SJ Sharks aren't unhappy or remotely intimidated at the thought of playing the NYRs tomm night
The SJ Sharks aren't unhappy or remotely intimidated at the thought of playing the NYRs tomm night
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Ummm. I put this RIGHT in a direct response to you:
"I'm not saying we shouldn't all criticize and discuss whatever we want on here. I'm saying that expecting our opinions to be just accepted as superior to the people doing this for a living is a bit much. Anyone can SAY they know better, but expecting others to just go with it? Nope."
I can discuss things with you, but if you just expect me to value your take over a NHL coaches no matter what you are saying, you will be disappointed.
I'm confused by this "expecting to go along with this no matter what you're saying over an NHL coach". That first half should be the case no matter who you discuss anything with ever. What's the relevance of the second half?
But what is so controversial about thinking that when the team was playing well they made better roster decisions than now when it's playing poorly and the dip in play came when the D pairings were changed? Do you really need some PhD in hockey to make this observation?
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Fair argument, but Lindgren is younger and can be resigned. I dont think Lindgren is normally this bad. Broken jaw, cant eat and was hurt at the end of last year too. He is better than this, but not as good as Graves in my opinion, and not in the opinion of any stat based tracking.
Also, if the Pens are looking to remake the team, they will want shorter terms for flexibility with possible younger players coming into the lineup. Graves is not a juggernaut, but he is an upgrade on Lindgren and the Rangers need to stop bleeding assets for rentals. Graves at 4.5, equal to Lindgren now, is good for the Rangers who have no prospects coming through at lefty.
Baby steps. Baby steps...
At one point does Vince ask Lavi why the "3rd" line isn't the 2nd line? Force Lsvi to address how he plays a line that HASN'T GIVEN UP A @!##$@# GOAL YET 11 minutes per night.
You mean like how Lavi said today “50-72-24 has earned more ice time by virtue of their play”
TominNC
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Mika’s not waiving. Stop with the fantasies.
KirkAlbuquerque
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WOW!!!!! HE SAID THAT!?!?!?!?!
Actions speak louder than words. I don't understand some of you people. He can say whatever he wants. That line has been our best line all year and they haven't received nearly the minutes they deserve.
...and in the game YESTERDAY he literally skipped them in the rotation in the 3rd and then the game got out of hand. Shocking.
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I never argued whether any takes on here were controversial. I didn't argue whether the D pairings were good or not... why are you trying to pull me into that?
I'm talking about appeals to authority as opposed to considering experience and lack thereof.
The second half isn't any more mysterious than the first. People getting bent out of shape and claiming "appeal to authority" when someone opines that MAYBE the coach has some idea what they are doing, but expecting their own less experienced opinions to carry more weight for whatever reason, may end up disappointed. When someone thinks that fan's opinion is NOT quite as astute and references the coach's decision instead, that is not an appeal to authority. Believe it or not. And IMO its a bit of a cop out to just dismiss it as "coaches make mistakes." Yes. So do fans on message boards. At a higher rate...
I'm not sure what was cryptic about anything I said, and if I have still failed to make myself clear, I'll just have to live with that shame. It's really not a big enough deal for all of this.
You asked “when is Vince gonna ask this question “
And I pointed out it was addressed.
Now you’re changing it to , well now he has to show it, which is an entirely different thing.
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This is literally what this is:
Appeal to Authority Fallacy | Definition & Examples
Appeal to authority fallacy refers to the use of an expert’s opinion to back up an argument. Instead of justifying one’s claim, a person cites an
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How is that any more of a cop out than automatically defaulting to a coach's decision?
If you want to never question a coach's decision why are you on a message board? Like what value is there being on a message board also called a DISCUSSION board if you're unwilling to have a discussion without discrediting anyone that disagrees with the coach automatically?
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The last few games, when these lines were together, Cuylle, Chytil and Kakko got more 5v5 ice time than Kreider, Zibanejad and Smith. At least on average, don't mind a few exceptions with individual players.
I'm more curious, when is Vince going to stop refering to them as the third line on tweets when they clearly get more ice time than Kreider-Zibanejad-Smith.
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