Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[will1066]

Could be a language thing

It sounds like he and the team/staff are not always on the same page about his head.

 

[bhamill]

Drury… Good gravy, the guy can’t win. Waives Goodrow (a good move IMO) in a completely above board, contractually allowable way and he’s “circumventing”, Machiavellian and underhanded. Reportedly sends out an email saying he’s willing to talk about dealing some veteran players and then is weak and bumbling because no deal was there…
Listen, I have no emotional investment in Drury either way, but some of you are f***ing insane. Haha. He’s neither great nor terrible. Neither ruthless nor weak. Maybe his great sin is being middling. I do like his draft philosophy so far.

 

[Vitto79]

so multiple assumptions in your post.
1. Multiple rangers + Lavi last night said “we were sloppy and lucky, need to clean it up”
That implies they understand that the play wasn’t good, so there’s still plenty to work on.
2. Drury didn’t leak the memo. He wasn’t “threatening “ he was likely gauging offers.
3. Where did you hear management was appeased. Because I haven’t.
I heard he talked to Ck and Trouba.
That’s it.
He probably made it clear he’s listening to offers, and their play is the reason.


Neither brodz nor vesey are taking ice time from berard.
Berard should never play on the 4th.

Pretty sure he’s gonna be on the 4th line soon . Can’t sit Smith all year he’s getting back in soon

 

[CLW]

I agree. The part that makes Drury look dumb is that he had absolutely nothing lined up. Same as with the Trouba situation in the summer. You can’t make these big threats (with Larry Brooks pumping you as this *RUTHLESS* mofo) and then not do even a little thing to make it look like you were for real. And if he didn’t have a move to make, then he can’t go full Machiavelli. It just looks like a bluff. Add to that the fact that he never gives a press conference, so fans and the Lady Whistledowns of the Post are happily going to fill in gaps in the narrative. IMO he just made himself less popular among the fans, players, and other GMs in one fell swoop. I mean I guess there’s still time for him to do something but these little bloopers are adding up.

I'm sure some of the other GMs in this league see Drury as prey. He's the fish at the poker table. They are just waiting for him to make a move so they can move in for the kill.

 

[grachevsceiling]

Drury… Good gravy, the guy can’t win. Waives Goodrow (a good move IMO) in a completely above board, contractually allowable way and he’s “circumventing”, Machiavellian and underhanded. Reportedly sends out an email saying he’s willing to talk about dealing some veteran players and then is weak and bumbling because no deal was there…
Listen, I have no emotional investment in Drury either way, but some of you are f***ing insane. Haha. He’s neither great nor terrible. Neither ruthless nor weak. Maybe his great sin is being middling. I do like his draft philosophy so far.

I don’t think he’s great or terrible either. You’re right in saying that his great sin is being middling. The ambivalence is annoying. If you don’t want to rebuild your team then, yes, just call about a specific deal regarding a specific player. The way he went about it made it seem like a “test” for the players, which they FAILED, and then there were no consequences for failing it. If that’s not the way he went about it, or wanted to, he should release a statement, correct the record. The communication is bad, that’s all. It makes it seem like he doesn’t actually have a vision for the team.

 

[GAGLine]

Playing Berard full time

Need new faces

We currently have 14 forwards and Berard is one of them. He just played over both Smith and Brodzinski. If you remove both Brodz and Vesey from the roster, that leaves us with 12 forwards, so we'd need to bring up at least one other forward to serve as a spare, and then if there are injuries, there would be even more callups.

Making those moves does nothing but hurt our depth.

 

[cheech70]

Can Adam be a top 6 player? Definetly 3rd line

 

[will1066]

True true truuuuue. Larry Whistledown. Bridgerton is actually a dramatization of his childhood.

Is not a dramatization. Documentary

 

[Vitto79]

We currently have 14 forwards and Berard is one of them. He just played over both Smith and Brodzinski. If you remove both Brodz and Vesey from the roster, that leaves us with 12 forwards, so we'd need to bring up at least one other forward to serve as a spare, and then if there are injuries, there would be even more callups.

Making those moves does nothing but hurt our depth.

Yea I said move 1
So you think Brodzinski doesn’t clear ?
He always has he’s a bubble nhler I’d rather see him as a call up

 

[GAGLine]

Yea I said move 1
Fo you think Brodzinski doesn’t clear ?
He always has he’s a bubble nhler I’d rather see him as a call up

It's possible. I just don't think it's a necessary move.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think that if anything happens we’re looking at the time between mondays game and fridays game.

Anyone looking for a tear down is going to have to wait, they aren’t doing anything THAT dramatic until later.

 

[zlev]

what i dont understand is how we went from running Montreal off the rink a month ago to that crap yesterday. they looked so unbelievably good in that game. it was all the same exact players except Jones in for Mancini. Valiquettes numbers look closer because he uses all situations, not just 5v5. we got destroyed again 5v5 yesterday while we had 4.4 xG, 70% xGF, 17 high danger chances, 37-19 scoring chances and 60% CF in the game a month ago (and won 7-2).

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Edstorm doesn't have to offense to be a 3rd liner, let alone a top 6 player.

 

[bernmeister]

We currently have 14 forwards and Berard is one of them. He just played over both Smith and Brodzinski. If you remove both Brodz and Vesey from the roster, that leaves us with 12 forwards, so we'd need to bring up at least one other forward to serve as a spare, and then if there are injuries, there would be even more callups.

Making those moves does nothing but hurt our depth.

Fair 'nuf, and objectively, Brodz righty shot can pivot as well as either W, better speed, reach, etc., is the one to keep

trade VESEY NOW

 

[IDvsEGO]

Edstorm doesn't have to offense to be a 3rd liner, let alone a top 6 player.

I think his offense could develop.
He’s got middle 6 upside.
Cuylle was looked at a 3/4th line guy and now he’s looking like a potential top 6 guy, With maybe even climbing into a first line guy on a bad team.

 

[bhamill]

Edstorm doesn't have to offense to be a 3rd liner, let alone a top 6 player.

Edstrom is barely 24. Gigantic forward who may not even be done growing into his frame. Don’t think we will know if he can score more at this level for another year or two.

 

[TGWL]

Can Adam be a top 6 player? Definetly 3rd line

On a contending team? No, probably not.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think his offense could develop.
He’s got middle 6 upside.
Cuylle was looked at a 3/4th line guy and now he’s looking like a potential top 6 guy, With maybe even climbing into a first line guy on a bad team.

Cuylle always had offense to his game though. Adam never has really had much offense to his game, at any level.

 

[MrAlmost]

Can Adam be a top 6 player? Definetly 3rd line

Probably not. But that's the second time a player has taken a shot at one of ours and he got them back harder. Ed's spot in the lineup is as solid as can be in my opinion. I like him a lot and he is willing to get guys back with physicality. Thats the kind of toughness you need. Not just fights.

 

[effen]

I think his offense could develop.
He’s got middle 6 upside.
Cuylle was looked at a 3/4th line guy and now he’s looking like a potential top 6 guy, With maybe even climbing into a first line guy on a bad team.

It's really hard to be Edstroms size and not get stripped away from the boards.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Q rumors are very interesting to me. Smells like another leak to me to tell Laviolette that he's on thin ice.

I just don't get it. Whoever would take Laviolette's place would be, what, the 5th coach in 7 years for this core of players?

Hint: the problem isn't the coach. Toe Blake nor Scotty Bowman would win a Cup with this core of players.

Heavy furniture is going to be moved this summer. That said, if the idea is to clean house in the front office again and to usher in a new era and give the keys to Lafreniere, Fox, Perreault, Kakko, Schneider, Jones, etc, then go all out.

Bench Zibanejad and play him on the 4th line until he agreed to a trade to Vancouver. Guy has nerve complaining about his ice time when he's been playing like ass since January.

Sell Kreider to the highest bidder that he'll accept a trade to.

If next year is a transition year, retain 50% on Trouba and maximize the return you get for him too.

I'd even approach Panarin and ask if he would waive his no move clause too. He's been a top 5 forward in the league for the past two years. The Rangers could get two 1sts and a blue chip prospect from a team for two playoff runs. Call up Dallas. Ask if they would deal Stankoven or Wyatt Johnston. That level of prospect plus two 1st's.

Miller? Bye. More athleticism than hockey smarts between the ears. Trade him for a guy like Byfield that also needs a change of scenery that still holds promise.

Igor too. $12 million goalie my ass. He should get a 1st and a prospect from a team like Colorado with Cup aspirations that has question marks in goal. Quick and Spicy Pork can platoon the rest of the way and let Garand get the reps in the AHL as he's the next starter in waiting.

A couple of well executed trades and good free agent signings like this and you can retool and be back in the playoffs in two years with a young, revitalized core that isn't reliant on goaltending holding on while the team in front of them gets their face caved in.

 

[MrAlmost]

It's really hard to be Edstroms size and not get stripped away from the boards.

I don't know if you are being facetious or not, but this is something I don't think a lot of people understand if you haven't played. Tall guys have a large triangle and it's just naturally more difficult for them to get the puck with their stick in tight to the boards and their skates. Thats why you gotta get good using the feet to dig it out. Smaller guys are actually really hard to battle on the boards with, especially when everyone is at the level NHLers are. Of course, being that tall has advantages pretty much everywhere else on the ice. Haha

 

[NikC]

so multiple assumptions in your post.
1. Multiple rangers + Lavi last night said “we were sloppy and lucky, need to clean it up”
That implies they understand that the play wasn’t good, so there’s still plenty to work on.
2. Drury didn’t leak the memo. He wasn’t “threatening “ he was likely gauging offers.
3. Where did you hear management was appeased. Because I haven’t.
I heard he talked to Ck and Trouba.
That’s it.
He probably made it clear he’s listening to offers, and their play is the reason.

My "assumptions" are based mostly on the video that RangerBoy shared earlier from Elliot Friedman.

EF states that the league is left wondering if the NYR are open to moves outside of Trouba and CK.

He states that they seemed to have "pumped the breaks" a bit to try to calm thing down. and also that they aren't allowing teams to negotiate with either.

So... behavior like this.. leads to assumptions. My comments are directly related to Drury and and roster moves, I think it's irrelevant to quote the coach, and players about how they feel they played.

I don't think a sloppy win against one of the worst teams in the league should put a halt to Drury's plans to make changes. That would be pretty short-sighted.

Pay attention to the thread, before you write.

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[NYR Viper]

How about

Tommy Novak + Alexandre Carrier + Jeremy Lauzon + NSH 2nd

For

Jacob Trouba + Reilly Smith


Smith has history with Marchessault, perhaps they can get each other going. Trouba comes in as a veteran top-4 physical d-man and both Novak and Carrier have struggled this season for Nashville.

Lauzon and Carrier come in as decent depth guys for the Rangers for the next couple of years while they transition to a younger core. Smaller contracts that are likely easier to trade if desired compared to Trouba as well. Novak would be really nice insurance 3C with some upside as well.

Shake-up trade for both teams. Cap hits are close overall.

 

[duhmetreE]

I just want to see how much better we could be with 2 defensive upgrades. Upgrade Lindgren and Trouba.

Still can't believe we weren't in on Chychrun. A bottom6 player and a 3rd rounder..... We gave up a 2nd and a 5th for Reilly freaking Smith....

What the Capitals did.... Signing Roy and trading for Chychrun.... is what we should have been looking to do.