Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[bhamill]

Probably not. But that's the second time a player has taken a shot at one of ours and he got them back harder. Ed's spot in the lineup is as solid as can be in my opinion. I like him a lot and he is willing to get guys back with physicality. Thats the kind of toughness you need. Not just fights.

Yup. Take the number and then take the opportunity for a big hit later. Especially if you are looking to respond to a clean hit.

 

[Synergy27]

Unless JT killed someone and were not aware yet, I don’t see any scenario where Van takes Mika for him without major sweeteners

Like I’m not a huge JT guy but he did have 100+ point last year

Some fans in the main board trade thread are speculating that he has a terminal illness…

This f***ing place man.

 

[lakeshirts37]

i'm really mad now, knowing how possible this was and how much better it would be right now:

Miller-Fox
Schneider-Walker
Jones-Roy

those don't even have to be the pairs, you could put anyone with anyone and it'd still be good.
goddamnit. Drury should be fired.

It wasnt possible though

 

[RGY]

I love how fans on a message board react when trades don’t go down immediately after a report comes out here or another report comes out there. All the sudden Drury, who has been viewed as tight lipped with things close to the vest, is no longer viewed as such because additional info isn’t leaking out like a bad faucet.

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers should be in on Chychrun in the summer. There is a good market for lefty D.

no

 

[grachevsceiling]

I love how fans on a message board react when trades don’t go down immediately after a report comes out here or another report comes out there. All the sudden Drury, who has been viewed as tight lipped with things close to the vest, is no longer viewed as such because additional info isn’t leaking out like a bad faucet.

Can’t speak for anyone else but personally I’d rather he communicate his vision with the fans in a direct way. That’s different than “leaking” things about specific trades or contracts, which might undercut his leverage, etc. Quite frankly though, in our current media/information zeitgeist, it’s naive to think there is anything such as “tight lipped”. If you don’t communicate a narrative, somebody else will do it for you.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm pretty sure Staios had Jensen earmarked for whatever reason because yes, you could get "more" for Chychrun.

For what it's worth, he wasn't wrong, Jensen's been really good while Chychrun got hurt yet again.


It was Roy or Walker.

Chychrun played 19 out of 24? He would have replaced Lindgren. 3 goals and 7pts over the last 5 games could have been useful

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chychrun has 8 goals this year.

Lindgren has 11 goals in his career.

 

[eco's bones]

Not one lead not one snippet not one credible source not even a good rumor has broken since Drury fake roared in public. Now he’s stuck with no leverage and it appears the league has told him to keep his shit in his yard.

Leverage really isn't much of a thing. Drury's under no obligation to undersell on Kreider or Kakko and Trouba is going to be a tough sell wherever. The optimal time for dealing him is this summer anyway when he'll have one year remaining on his deal. Most teams now are a bit cap strapped for this year. Some teams Jacob (and Chris?) can block deals to. Non playoff teams do not need an expensive d-man with not much term left. Kreider and Kakko would be much easier to move. Lindgren would be easier to move. That said for what? I'd want it to be worth it and not just because and the Rangers if they still plan on making the playoffs are going to need guys to fill the holes of anyone they move.

For the most part I think the threat was to the players. Shape up or get shipped out. That doesn't mean he's actually going to make a trade. It only means something like that might happen and it's to tell other teams if they have offers to make to feel free to make them. If you move a guy too you don't want to undersell them.

 

[Guyute]

no

The one word responses blow my mind more than the multi-volume book responses that get TLDR’d

 

[grachevsceiling]

Chychrun has 8 goals this year.

Lindgren has 11 goals in his career.

But you have to take into account that hockey is a side gig for Lindgren. He mostly hunts waterfowl for living history museums.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But you have to take into account that hockey is a side gig for Lindgren. He mostly hunts waterfowl for living history museums.

Does he suck at that too?

 

[grachevsceiling]

Does he suck at that too?

Depends what you’re looking for. Most people can’t tell who died—him or the bird.

 

[will1066]

Unplugged the phone charger at 84%.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Unplugged the phone charger at 84%.

Phone’s at 71%, Drury is gonna trade for Malkin.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The one word responses blow my mind more than the multi-volume book responses that get TLDR’d

yes

 

[will1066]

Phone’s at 71%, Drury is gonna trade for Malkin.

Or convince Jiri Slegr to un-retire.

 

[effen]

Chychrun has 8 goals this year.

Lindgren has 11 goals in his career.

He's going to crush this year, get an 8/$76M deal, and promptly play 145 games the next 3 years.

 

[RangerBoy]

because Roy is much better than Trouba and Walker is even better with an even lower cap hit. next question?

The Rangers trade Trouba, retain 25% of his salary, and use the $6M savings to sign Roy? For what? These would just be lateral moves designed to keep everyone employed and tickets selling.

It’s the classic “look, we did something” approach that doesn’t actually address the real issues. Why are the Rangers so poor at even strength? They rarely control possession and constantly rely on the power play (like they did against the Habs) and stellar goaltending to win. That’s not a sustainable strategy.

Meanwhile, the second and third highest-paid forwards on the roster have been invisible for a while, and the blame keeps shifting to the rotating cast of right wings. The team’s approach of trying to win with three scoring lines doesn’t seem to be working.

And yes, we poke fun at Larry Brooks for his obsession with the lack of a shutdown checking line, but he has a point. The Rangers don’t have a unit to neutralize the opposition’s top center, and it’s becoming glaringly obvious.

The Rangers need real change.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Rangers trade Trouba, retain 25% of his salary, and use the $6M savings to sign Roy? For what? These would just be lateral moves designed to keep everyone employed and tickets selling.

It’s the classic “look, we did something” approach that doesn’t actually address the real issues. Why are the Rangers so poor at even strength? They rarely control possession and constantly rely on the power play (like they did against the Habs) and stellar goaltending to win. That’s not a sustainable strategy.

Meanwhile, the second and third highest-paid forwards on the roster have been invisible for a while, and the blame keeps shifting to the rotating cast of right wings. The team’s approach of trying to win with three scoring lines doesn’t seem to be working.

And yes, we poke fun at Larry Brooks for his obsession with the lack of a shutdown checking line, but he has a point. The Rangers don’t have a unit to neutralize the opposition’s top center, and it’s becoming glaringly obvious.

The Rangers need real change.

We have a perfectly fine group for our 4th line. Our 3rd line when chytil is in is one of the best shut down lines in the league. It's the kreider, zib Smith line that causes our problems up front as they are being played like a top 6 line and they aren't even close.

 

[will1066]

Or convince Jiri Slegr to un-retire.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers trade Trouba, retain 25% of his salary, and use the $6M savings to sign Roy? For what? These would just be lateral moves designed to keep everyone employed and tickets selling.

It’s the classic “look, we did something” approach that doesn’t actually address the real issues. Why are the Rangers so poor at even strength? They rarely control possession and constantly rely on the power play (like they did against the Habs) and stellar goaltending to win. That’s not a sustainable strategy.

Meanwhile, the second and third highest-paid forwards on the roster have been invisible for a while, and the blame keeps shifting to the rotating cast of right wings. The team’s approach of trying to win with three scoring lines doesn’t seem to be working.

And yes, we poke fun at Larry Brooks for his obsession with the lack of a shutdown checking line, but he has a point. The Rangers don’t have a unit to neutralize the opposition’s top center, and it’s becoming glaringly obvious.

The Rangers need real change.

In fairness, Rome wasn't built overnight. Moving on from Trouba to sign a good top-4 d-man in Roy would have been a good move.

If we are all expecting 80% of the roster to turnover right away I think we are going to be disappointed. Small incremental changes is the route to take, although ripping the band-aid off of a few people simultaneously wouldn't be a bad move right now. Mainly, Lindgren, Trouba, Smith, Kreider

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers trade Trouba, retain 25% of his salary, and use the $6M savings to sign Roy? For what? These would just be lateral moves designed to keep everyone employed and tickets selling.

It’s the classic “look, we did something” approach that doesn’t actually address the real issues. Why are the Rangers so poor at even strength? They rarely control possession and constantly rely on the power play (like they did against the Habs) and stellar goaltending to win. That’s not a sustainable strategy.

Meanwhile, the second and third highest-paid forwards on the roster have been invisible for a while, and the blame keeps shifting to the rotating cast of right wings. The team’s approach of trying to win with three scoring lines doesn’t seem to be working.

And yes, we poke fun at Larry Brooks for his obsession with the lack of a shutdown checking line, but he has a point. The Rangers don’t have a unit to neutralize the opposition’s top center, and it’s becoming glaringly obvious.

The Rangers need real change.

I'm very here for the argument that they should just rebuild, and even more so for the argument that they never should have gone to war with this group of players.

You also can't just pretend that, in a scenario where they no longer have Trouba playing a third of the game, that their 5v5 play stays the same. That's a massive part of it.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't make that Roy move now, after what we've seen this season.

If they swap Trouba out for a good NHL player in 2022 or 2024, they have a legit chance at a Cup.

 

[Machinehead]

In fairness, Rome wasn't built overnight. Moving on from Trouba to sign a good top-4 d-man in Roy would have been a good move.

If we are all expecting 80% of the roster to turnover right away I think we are going to be disappointed. Small incremental changes is the route to take, although ripping the band-aid off of a few people simultaneously wouldn't be a bad move right now. Mainly, Lindgren, Trouba, Smith, Kreider

I feel like people are still attached to this mythical idea of a rebuild where we blow up all 23 players and then next 23 players were all drafted by the Rangers around the same time.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers trade Trouba, retain 25% of his salary, and use the $6M savings to sign Roy? For what? These would just be lateral moves designed to keep everyone employed and tickets selling.

It’s the classic “look, we did something” approach that doesn’t actually address the real issues. Why are the Rangers so poor at even strength? They rarely control possession and constantly rely on the power play (like they did against the Habs) and stellar goaltending to win. That’s not a sustainable strategy.

Meanwhile, the second and third highest-paid forwards on the roster have been invisible for a while, and the blame keeps shifting to the rotating cast of right wings. The team’s approach of trying to win with three scoring lines doesn’t seem to be working.

And yes, we poke fun at Larry Brooks for his obsession with the lack of a shutdown checking line, but he has a point. The Rangers don’t have a unit to neutralize the opposition’s top center, and it’s becoming glaringly obvious.

The Rangers need real change.

The team is so soft up front too. Mika/Kreider play the "turn the other cheek" game they learned from their AV days. CK doesnt play like a power forward at all and if his back is going and he's a PP specialist already, its a legitimate question to trade him sooner than later. It's long overdue that the team be handed over to the young guys. Cuylle and Kakko's games belong in the top 6. As long as Mika and Kreider are getting the most ice time and playing in every situation, the rest of the forwards are going to match their low intensity, avoiding physicality games.

If the Rangers don't play well tonight against the Devils on home ice, drastic measures need to be taken. The kind Drury seems to be hesitating on now. Rempe is not coming to save them if the Devils start running around (which they have every right to do after last year). It should be a physical game and if they wilt again, just pack it in.

Mancini made Lindgren replaceable in training camp. Trade him. Berard has made Reilly Smith replaceable. Both guys should already be shipped out. The Rangers need a massive upgrade on defense. It's been obvious for a year. Drury is showing Joe Douglas level patience's and its infuriating. If Kreider can be moved for a big time defenseman, Im making the deal asap.