Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Crease]

Vince: So what’s been keeping you out of the lineup?

Chytil: One day, when the moons of Jupiter are in retrograde and the stars align, I will tell you of my journey.

 

[NikC]

If that report is true, then this is the moment I now have no faith in Drury. I'm not a "this needs to be a ruthless business" type. Thats a good way to make no one want to work for you/play for you. These are people and they deserve respect. But you can't do something bold like that then backtrack immediately. You look like a jerk.

Too bad there isn't anyone out there to replace him. Maybe Brian Burke, but he is out of the game for the most part it seems and he is a polarizing GM. Some great decisions and some bad ones. Who else is there?

yes exactly, this is a real bad look on how this guy deals with people. Again.... i'm pretty sure Mr. Dolan is the hard driver behind alot of this.

 

[will1066]

Before Drury tries to do any major surgery, he should trade Smith and Lindgren for a couple mid round picks like the rentals they are. They don’t do anything for this team, and at least we do well in that area of the draft.

Does Drury have any medical training to operate on Kreider's back?

 

[mxyxptlk]

Does Drury have any medical training to operate on Kreider's back?

He's going to hire Mrs. Trouba to do operation for her final exam.

 

[Fitzy]

Sometimes players get mental blocks after serious injuries.

If I had had a situation like Sidney Crosby or Richard Zednik, for example, I doubt you'd be able to convince me to go out there and risk my life again, regardless of how fluky it was.

Yankees had a pitcher 20 years back who kept getting beaned in the head. At a certain point you can't play without worrying about it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

yes exactly, this is a real bad look on how this guy deals with people. Again.... i'm pretty sure Mr. Dolan is the hard driver behind alot of this.

I'm sorry, we all cheered when he waived goodrow to get around his NTC.
Drury backed down on moving Trouba this off season, to our furor, because "he was willing to be nice"

And yet Drury doesn't deal well with people...
Because he put out a notice that he was willing to move players.


There are now reports that the players are upset because its 1/4 into the season and Drury is moving too "early" even though we're all watching the same thing, the players are the problem.

Drury comes to the right conclusions, starts doing the right things, and he's the problem...
You can argue, his trades haven't been great, except that outside of the Buch trade, he's mostly had a decent record of team building.

He's done a solid job of filling holes in the roster caused by poor drafting before he took over (andersson and kratsov)
He's done a solid job drafting, and not paying too much on trades or UFA's.


Trouba + Lindgren absolutely need to go.
If Mika waives, ship him out for something of value if possible.
CK should go.
I'd also see what we could get for Shesty now.

And if it hurts the players feelings? I'm not really sure I care. They signed contracts, they understand that playing in the NHL requires these things. Player say "its a business" when it comes to contracts, and then somehow its not a business when it comes to trades? BS.

 

[GAGLine]

Can we atleast waive Brodz? He’s gonna clear .

Trade Vesey for a 4th if not

Trouba should be the guy to go though as the shakeup

What does waiving Brodz or trading Vesey for a 4th accomplish?

 

[IDvsEGO]

What does waiving Brodz or trading Vesey for a 4th accomplish?

literally a "move to make a move" and ruins depth for no reason.

 

[effen]

Hi all, can someone give me a really brief, sparknotes version of what’s going down with the team? I’ve missed the last two week’s worth of games and it seems like things have been disastrous.

On the West Coast trip they very visibly stopped defending the neutral zone to the point it just looked weird and like they were quitting.

The reaction has been extremely entitled and willful (and they still have horrendously bad efforts!) which points the locker room losing control and being unable to police itself. There are some big personality problems and at least a few people need to go.

 

[IDvsEGO]

On the West Coast trip they very visibly stopped defending the neutral zone to the point it just looked weird and like they were quitting.

The reaction has been extremely entitled and willful (and they still have horrendously bad efforts!) which points the locker room losing control and being unable to police itself. There are some big personality problems and at least a few people need to go.

This is a solid summary.
I'd also add that Mika has looked terrible all season. The west coast trip made it look even worse.

CK being out and Chytil being out exposed us badly.

 

[bhamill]

Yes. I found it on the World Wide Web.

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Ahahahahaha!

Completely different situations.

All of the Rangers beats confirmed this memo was sent out in addition to broader hockey media confirming it.

The only person pushing the story around Trouba not reporting is Brooks and the Post

confirmed how? They saw it? Or they all talked to the same someone who told them all the same thing?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Some days this feels more like a generic labor dispute than a hockey team

Kommissar Kreider sowing the seeds of revolution on the locker room.

 

[bernmeister]

Who is on Trouba’s list? Is Vancouver on it? I would imagine so. But if not, VAN needs defenseman.

Potential trade;

Trouba w/ $3 million retained, Othmann, Sykora, 3rd

For

Miller w/ $2 million retained.

Gives VAN a Defenseman that only has another year left on his deal, Othmann who is on the cusp and a former 1st rounder, and $1 million in cap space moving forward this year. Plus Sykora a former 2nd rounder.

Then deal Reilly Smith for a 3rd rounder + in a separate deal to open up cap space and a forward spot that would allow Berard to stay up. You then have cap space to add a defenseman at the deadline.

The other route is a similar combo of moves that send Lindgren and Smith out to open up the necessary cap space for Miller. Maybe you find a different spot for Trouba.

VAN wants more
also, I'd rather play the Fox card + include Mika at half to unload him for Miller +

 

[bernmeister]

Can we atleast waive Brodz? He’s gonna clear .

Trade Vesey for a 4th if not

Trouba should be the guy to go though as the shakeup

brodz is still useful
was good betw Cuylle + KK
at other times looked ok elsewhere

Vesey yes pls
Trouba, Lindgren should go immediately
Mika also if there is a taker

bread when the price is high enuf and he will waive

 

[turcotte8]

Does Drury have any medical training to operate on Kreider's back?

He won a little league World Series he can do anything.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Ahahahahaha!


confirmed how? They saw it? Or they all talked to the same someone who told them all the same thing?

The memo/email has been confirmed by a bunch of fairly reputable sources.

That said there’s two different things here.
Drury sent an email out, saying he’d listen to offers. - confirmed

That initial report also had some added text “I only ever see this right before a guy goes on waivers”
Which is commentary and completely unconfirmed.

Drury sent out an email, instead of making 31 calls.
Big deal, seems like there’s a bunch of GM’s who really don’t understand modern technology. I’m happy that my gm didn’t waste his time calling 31 other gm’s.

 

[grachevsceiling]

Does Drury have any medical training to operate on Kreider's back?

Isn’t it basically just slicing pizza?

Edit: @GoAwayPanarin I should preemptively say: I’m not a doctor. This is not medical advice.

 

[RGY]

We're going to invest another 8 mil in the center position?

Miller turns 32 in March, has another 5 years on his contract, and we have no idea what's going on with him personally that has him away from the team.

If Vancouver is willing to swap Miller for Mika, I'm all for it. Spending futures on an older player who may not have the same level of success with us, at a position that is already filled, isn't a good idea. This team has far too many issues to be spending futures on win-now moves.

Trade away Trouba, Lindgren and Smith. Fine. But let's be smart about how we use that cap space.

In my proposition Miller would be @ $6 million for the remainder of his contract. I think that’s more than fair for a player of his caliber. You look at guys like Pavelski and what his AAV was in the later years of his contract, Miller @ $6 million is fair and should be manageable with a rising cap. Talking about in the near future of the next 1-3 years he has the edge and fire this group so desperately needs with our perceived “window”… I would even say he helps extend that window. We have questions down the middle as we all know. Miller gives us flexibility. Chytil can slide to wing, if he is able to stay healthy.

VAN might and probably does have buyer’s remorse on that contract. So for them to get out from under it they retain and we end up with a good Center @ $6 million for the next 5-6 years.

Trading away Lindgren/Trouba and Smith still provides flexibility for this year for the Team to add a defenseman at the deadline. Then in the offseason you move whomever remained out of Lindgren/Trouba. The cap space will be there to allow the team to navigate the roster build. Even if they have to move a veteran forward in the offseason, you have Perreault shortly behind who would be on an ELC. We already have a logjam in bottom 6 type talent in the organization from a farm system perspective. The top 6 is tight as is and Perreault on the way.

Chytil-Miller-Panarin
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Berard
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Edstrom-Carrick-Vesey

Listen I would much rather find a forward 26-29 years old that has term & a team is looking to deal without having to deal Perrault but those deals will be difficult to find. So Miller may make the most sense.

 

[NikC]

I'm sorry, we all cheered when he waived goodrow to get around his NTC.
Drury backed down on moving Trouba this off season, to our furor, because "he was willing to be nice"

And yet Drury doesn't deal well with people...
Because he put out a notice that he was willing to move players.


There are now reports that the players are upset because its 1/4 into the season and Drury is moving too "early" even though we're all watching the same thing, the players are the problem.

Drury comes to the right conclusions, starts doing the right things, and he's the problem...
You can argue, his trades haven't been great, except that outside of the Buch trade, he's mostly had a decent record of team building.

He's done a solid job of filling holes in the roster caused by poor drafting before he took over (andersson and kratsov)
He's done a solid job drafting, and not paying too much on trades or UFA's.


Trouba + Lindgren absolutely need to go.
If Mika waives, ship him out for something of value if possible.
CK should go.
I'd also see what we could get for Shesty now.

And if it hurts the players feelings? I'm not really sure I care. They signed contracts, they understand that playing in the NHL requires these things. Player say "its a business" when it comes to contracts, and then somehow its not a business when it comes to trades? BS.

i'm not that hung up on hurt feelings here... more sloppy and unprofessional dealings. they can't release what kind injury a player, has, but he can send a memo to the entire league, that there's a firesale?

They didn't know Trouba would resist being moved in the offseason? How is this "leaked", and if they did it intentionally, wouldn't it be sabotaging the team? Isn't that what they are doing now?

They won yesterday. We hear they were prepared and came to play... Huh?
It takes public humiliation and trade threats for them to be motivated to play a sport for $M ?
And now we hear management is appeased for the moment? The team cares now, mission accomplished?

I'm not sure what to make of any of this. They are so discreet about everything, and they do this?

This aggressive announcement, if not met with action, makes him and the entire organization looks like imbeciles Don't threaten... DO IT!!

idiots

 

[Vitto79]

What does waiving Brodz or trading Vesey for a 4th accomplish?

Playing Berard full time

Need new faces

 

[will1066]

What does waiving Brodz or trading Vesey for a 4th accomplish?

Riders to piggyback on the main bill

 

[IDvsEGO]

i'm not that hung up on hurt feelings here... more sloppy and unprofessional dealings. they can't release what kind injury a player, has, but he can send a memo to the entire league, that there's a firesale?

They didn't know Trouba would resist being moved in the offseason? How is this "leaked", and if they did it intentionally, wouldn't it be sabotaging the team? Isn't that what they are doing now?

They won yesterday. We hear they were prepared and came to play... Huh?
It takes public humiliation and trade threats for them to be motivated to play a sport for $M ?
And now we hear management is appeased for the moment? The team cares now, mission accomplished?

I'm not sure what to make of any of this. They are so discreet about everything, and they do this?

This aggressive announcement, if not met with action, makes him and the entire organization looks like imbeciles Don't threaten... DO IT!!

idiots

so multiple assumptions in your post.
1. Multiple rangers + Lavi last night said “we were sloppy and lucky, need to clean it up”
That implies they understand that the play wasn’t good, so there’s still plenty to work on.
2. Drury didn’t leak the memo. He wasn’t “threatening “ he was likely gauging offers.
3. Where did you hear management was appeased. Because I haven’t.
I heard he talked to Ck and Trouba.
That’s it.
He probably made it clear he’s listening to offers, and their play is the reason.

Playing Berard full time

Need new faces

Neither brodz nor vesey are taking ice time from berard.
Berard should never play on the 4th.

 

[grachevsceiling]

i'm not that hung up on hurt feelings here... more sloppy and unprofessional dealings. they can't release what kind injury a player, has, but he can send a memo to the entire league, that there's a firesale?

They didn't know Trouba would resist being moved in the offseason? How is this "leaked", and if they did it intentionally, wouldn't it be sabotaging the team? Isn't that what they are doing now?

They won yesterday. We hear they were prepared and came to play... Huh?
It takes public humiliation and trade threats for them to be motivated to play a sport for $M ?
And now we hear management is appeased for the moment? The team cares now, mission accomplished?

I'm not sure what to make of any of this. They are so discreet about everything, and they do this?

This aggressive announcement, if not met with action, makes him and the entire organization looks like imbeciles Don't threaten... DO IT!!

idiots

I agree. The part that makes Drury look dumb is that he had absolutely nothing lined up. Same as with the Trouba situation in the summer. You can’t make these big threats (with Larry Brooks pumping you as this *RUTHLESS* mofo) and then not do even a little thing to make it look like you were for real. And if he didn’t have a move to make, then he can’t go full Machiavelli. It just looks like a bluff. Add to that the fact that he never gives a press conference, so fans and the Lady Whistledowns of the Post are happily going to fill in gaps in the narrative. IMO he just made himself less popular among the fans, players, and other GMs in one fell swoop. I mean I guess there’s still time for him to do something but these little bloopers are adding up.

 

[will1066]

I agree. The part that makes Drury look dumb is that he had absolutely nothing lined up. Same as with the Trouba situation in the summer. You can’t make these big threats (with Larry Brooks pumping you as this *RUTHLESS* mofo) and then not do even a little thing to make it look like you were for real. And if he didn’t have a move to make, then he can’t go full Machiavelli. It just looks like a bluff. Add to that the fact that he never gives a press conference, so fans and the Lady Whistledowns of the Post are happily going to fill in gaps in the narrative. IMO he just made himself less popular among the fans, players, and other GMs in one fell swoop. I mean I guess there’s still time for him to do something but these little bloopers are adding up.

There's only one Lady Whistledown in Rangerstowne. All others are imposters.

 

[grachevsceiling]

There's only one Lady Whistledown in Rangerstowne. All others are imposters.

True true truuuuue. Larry Whistledown. Bridgerton is actually a dramatization of his childhood.