Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XIII: Have no fear, the TDL is near (Mod Post page 233, #5809 - READ IT)

[Gardner McKay]

This from a trusted source...everyone is asking the Rangers about McDonagh. Some teams are more serious than others but there are plenty of interested suitors, including his team. The price the Rangers have set is "astronomical". My friend (NHL scout) thinks that he is the one player that the Rangers hold on to and resign.

Thanks for sharing bobbop!

Not surprised that the price is that astronomical. You simply can't trade a player like that away without either getting sure fire assets back or so many pieces that one or two are almost guaranteed to pan out.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I mean those have also all been midround picks. The rangers picked in the first round again and I don’t think andersson or Chytil fit that criteria.

Rolling the dice in talent in the mid rounds is fine by me, especially if your team is able to sign NCAA and Euro Free Agents at the clip that the Rangers do.

Anybody know the total contracts the Rangers have?

 

[Trxjw]

Anybody know the total contracts the Rangers have?

48 right now that count. Day and Gettinger are both on contracts but slide because they haven't met the requirements yet.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I’m so excited

 

[Alluckks]

I'm not thinking Domi And he's not 23, he's 24 and will be 25 in 8 weeks

Sadly, I am a Coyotes fan. So you're right, I'm interested in Zibanejad from a Coyotes perspective. Our two teams connected in June in the Stepan and Raanta for 7th overall and DeAngelo trade. Raanta has been great and Stepan has been...eh. Similarly, Andersson has been great and DeAngelo has been...eh. I think both sides are at least reasonably happy with how it went. Coyotes fans maybe less so than the Coyotes staff, but hey...our votes don't count, do they?

The name that actually popped into my head is Dylan Strome. He's 20 years old, and has been ripping up the AHL. He's got 41pts in 33gp and had some dazzling sequences in the AHL ASG. That said, he's been unable to make any impact in the NHL thus far. Again, he's 20, but it's at least possible the Coyotes are growing impatient. This is another one where Coyotes fans are probably not quite on the same page as the actual decision makers. I'd rather have Mittelstadt, or Necas, or Vilardi, or Andersson than Stepan but our GM was told it was time to try to win some games and he did his best to make that happen. It didn't work. So what do we do now? Sell again? I doubt it. I expect we're going to double-down and try to finally right this ship next season. Even if it's a half-measure that sets us back longer-term.

Speaking of doubling down, I wonder if the Rangers aren't in a gambling mood. It seems like the right time. Chytil and Andersson are really bright spots and I could see Dylan Strome's tremendous boom/bust potential being appealing to a team just on the brink of tearing it all down to the studs.

I feel like something centered around Strome for Zibanejad could be somewhat appealing for both General Managers. I think most Coyotes fans would want to punch me in the face for suggesting it. This because most of us see Strome as our best, last hope of ever turning things around. I also suspect most Rangers fans are going to be quick to dismiss the incredible upside of Strome because that's en vogue at the moment. I think that has less to do with the undeniably impressive resume this 20 year kid has and more to do with unfair expectations placed on him due to draft position and draft class. In a vacuum, what he's accomplished rightly places him as one of the best prospects in the sport. In the end, I think this is a home-run swing for a stand-up double.

I'm guessing the first question from most Rangers fans would be, what else are we adding to Strome to get Zibanejad. I think most Coyotes fans would say not a goddamned thing. I'd be more inclined to say nothing better than a late 2nd.

Maybe I'm way the hell out to lunch on this. I feel like I pegged the Stepan & Raanta value pretty well, offering the 7th overall and 35th overall picks (with DeAngelo's performance, I'm glad that didn't happen - haha). That doesn't mean I'm not completely wrong on this one, though. What do you guys think?

Zib got a bit older in a hurry haha

Well, he just signed a new contract this off-season, and has performed really well when healthy. Particularly on a line with Kreider and Buchnevich, who are two players a majority assumes will stay here past the purge of the next 6 months.

I also have caution when it comes to just having too many young guys on the team and not enough players that have been in the league a few years.

I think the value in a vaccuum is good, of something like Strome + 2nd, but it isn't a trade option I would want to look into until many other parts have been fleshed out. I can't offer much more constructive thought than that, but hope it gives some perspective.

 

[leetch99]

I'd trade Miller.

I'd keep Kreider unless the return is a 1C. Kreider changes the dynamic of the game when he's on the ice.

Yes...when he feels like it . Unfortunately...not quite often enough .

 

[RGY]

I have come to terms with the end of an era. The last decade has been amazing. A whirlwind for me in my fandom as a Ranger. My fandom really started after '94. More around 96-97 is when I really started to appreciate and understand the game and share the Love for the Rangers that my Father had for them. I supported them unconditionally through the bad years. Suffered continuous losing seasons. 7 to be exact. Now 29 years old, looking back this organization really took off right after Jagr's time (which did bring us back to the playoffs) with the likes of Callahan/Dubinsky/Girardi/Staal/Lundqvist. Going to the ECF against the Devils, at the time, was the highlight of my sports fandom even as a diehard Yankees and Giants fan because it was different with the Rangers. We all know it is different with them. The era carried on from those guy to McDonagh/Stepan/Boyle/Hagelin/Kreider, even Del Zotto with acquisitions such as Brad Richards, Anton Stralman, Marion Gaborik, Brassard, Marty St. Louis, and Rick Nash.

It was a wild ride that has now ended. This is going to be a tough couple of years, but hopefully, and I do so PRAY we have the appropriate leadership, scouting department, player development, that we do not go another dark age of 7 consecutive season without a playoff berth. That we draft the right players. This city deserves more, the fans here deserve more. Those 7 seasons were so bad I still vividly remember watching everyone of those games.

We will sink badly into the abyss or swim swiftly all on the shoulders of Jeff Gorton. He better not f*** this up..

 

[bobbop]

From this "professional" scout who lives in Phoenix (that would be me)...if you are disappointed in D'Angelo, you would be very disappointed in Strome. From what I have seen his skating will always keep him from being a top 6 stud. Very similar to his brother. Remember what I told you about D'Angelo last summer.

 

[rt]

Zib got a bit older in a hurry haha

Well, he just signed a new contract this off-season, and has performed really well when healthy. Particularly on a line with Kreider and Buchnevich, who are two players a majority assumes will stay here past the purge of the next 6 months.

I also have caution when it comes to just having too many young guys on the team and not enough players that have been in the league a few years.

I think the value in a vaccuum is good, of something like Strome + 2nd, but it isn't a trade option I would want to look into until many other parts have been fleshed out. I can't offer much more constructive thought than that, but hope it gives some perspective.

That's good. Thank you! I was hoping to avoid some of that old June 2017 emnity that was so unnecessary.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Honestly I think Strome is the opposite of the type of player they would try to target.

 

[rt]

From the "professional" scout who lives in Phoenix (that would be me)...if you are disappointed in D'Angelo, you would be very disappointed in Strome. From what I have seen his skating will always keep him from being a top 6 stud. Very similar to his brother. Remember what I told you about D'Angelo last summer.

I also remember you raving about his "mitts" despite his skating last summer and citing your inside sources that Strome or Dvorak would be added to Crouse and the 7th overall for Stepan. Specifically because Tippett wanted it. Turns out Stepan got just the 7th and Tippett got the axe. So much for that entire narrative.

Not trying to cause any trouble but lets call spades spades if we're also going to try to toot horns. No Rangers fan pegged the value of that trade any further from reality than you did, despite the fact that you live in the area. Maybe proximity isn't the best indicator of one's expertise in gauging trade values.

Having said all of that, I really don't want to attack you or drag you or anything. I've been waaay wrong about a lot myself. More often than not. I just don't know that you should continue leaning on the "I live in Phoenix" angle after how your take on the Stepan situation played out. I feel like that hand has been played and you didn't end up taking the pot, there. Sorry.

EDIT: This keeps coming off as mean spirited or attacking. I really don't want it that way. I guess my point is that I think your opinions are those of a Rangers fan, and mine are those of a Coyotes fan and I haven't seen any evidence of any connections adding more value to those opinions from either of us than typical fan opinions. I hope that's more clear than the pre-edit post above.

 

[Alluckks]

Too bad NHL Network or NBCSN doesn't implement some sort Trade deadline show like "Live PD" does. I mean they do cover everything pretty good, but what we the fans are getting is the watered down version passed through social media. How great would it be to have a war room set with 31 different TV's. In the War room, as a call from GM to GM is being made, they tap the call. Weeks and Tappan can host it.

"Looks like there's action in Tampa, lets go to the live feed to listen in" Camera goes to Stevie Y in Tampa, then split screens to Gorton in NY as the two GM's have at it. The audience hears the conversation live, sees the GM's swinging deals.

Sounds fun, but in a way that a movie sounds fun. There is too much secretive information in there. How the hell would a team negotiate like that?

 

[Matz03]

48 right now that count. Day and Gettinger are both on contracts but slide because they haven't met the requirements yet.

too bad they added Mcleod recently but also have to think Nash, Grabner, and Holden are coming off that list soon. Maybe a prospect or two added back but maybe just draft pick coming back.

 

[leetch99]

This from a trusted source...everyone is asking the Rangers about McDonagh. Some teams are more serious than others but there are plenty of interested suitors, including his team. The price the Rangers have set is "astronomical". My friend (NHL scout) thinks that he is the one player that the Rangers hold on to and resign.

I can live with that...but I would rather see him go if we are being honest here . Played a ton of hockey that probably has aged him IMO....if he takes a home town deal to stay...hmmm...OK for now I guess.

 

[bobbop]

I also remember you raving about his "mitts" despite his skating last summer and citing your inside sources that Strome or Dvorak would be added to Crouse and the 7th overall for Stepan. Specifically because Tippett wanted it. Turns out Stepan got just the 7th and Tippett got the axe. So much for that entire narrative.

Not trying to cause any trouble but lets call spades spades if we're also going to try to toot horns. No Rangers fan pegged the value of that trade any further from reality than you did, despite the fact that you live in the area. Maybe proximity isn't the best indicator of one's expertise in gauging trade values.

Ask Ranger fans who would you rather have now? D'Angelo or Strome and/or Dvorak? What I said at the time was that if Tippett was making the deal, he would move Strome. The front office wouldn't. I've also had a chance to watch him through training camp, his NHL trial and a couple of AHL games. And as I have maintained all along, the Rangers got nowhere near equivalent value for Stepan.

 

[Avery16]

Someone please let McCambridge know that Smith is a top-4 D in disguise, he just has to be allowed to play his own game and keep him away from weddings

 

[Drew4u]

I feel like the Stepan trade would be considered a steal (for the Rangers) if the Canucks didn't choose Pettersson since the Rangers would've picked him. Or if they chose Middlestadt.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I also remember you raving about his "mitts" despite his skating last summer and citing your inside sources that Strome or Dvorak would be added to Crouse and the 7th overall for Stepan. Specifically because Tippett wanted it. Turns out Stepan got just the 7th and Tippett got the axe. So much for that entire narrative.

Not trying to cause any trouble but lets call spades spades if we're also going to try to toot horns. No Rangers fan pegged the value of that trade any further from reality than you did, despite the fact that you live in the area. Maybe proximity isn't the best indicator of one's expertise in gauging trade values.

Having said all of that, I really don't want to attack you or drag you or anything. I've been waaay wrong about a lot myself. More often than not. I just don't know that you should continue leaning on the "I live in Phoenix" angle after how your take on the Stepan situation played out. I feel like that hand has been played and you didn't end up taking the pot, there. Sorry.

EDIT: This keeps coming off as mean spirited or attacking. I really don't want it that way. I guess my point is that I think your opinions are those of a Rangers fan, and mine are those of a Coyotes fan and I haven't seen any evidence of any connections adding more value to those opinions from either of us than typical fan opinions. I hope that's more clear than the pre-edit post above.

I wouldn’t slam an entire book shut after a failed chapter or two. Nor would I use 1 scenario that didn’t pan out and ridicule someone.

Fact is, there’s probably a ton of movements that come close to happening, and end up getting foiled for various reasons.

Your incredibly critical towards someone that actually possesses real sources in the league, and has always been a gentleman on these boards.

Bravo.

 

[Irishguy42]

Insider Trading: Preds and Stars front runners for Nash?



Dreger says Preds and Stars are at the top of the list, in that order.

Dreger says Miller is generating buzz, and Kreider is drawing interest and "there might be a low-level deal."

McKenzie talks about AV's unsure long-term future, in regards to his history of doing well with teams full of vets and not so much with younger rebuilding teams.

 

[Vitto79]

Zucc will be the Captain of this 'rebuild'.

Doubt it they are preparing us for fan favs leaving . Zuc is the biggest loss . Gonna suck lol

 

[HonestGabe]

If he’s spoken with 10 teams already that’s a good sign for the expected return, no?

 

[Alluckks]

Insider Trading: Preds and Stars front runners for Nash?



Dreger says Preds and Stars are at the top of the list, in that order.

Good, I like their prospects. If the main piece back is a 1st round pick then I prefer the Stars because the pick will likely be better.

 

[Gardner McKay]

From this "professional" scout who lives in Phoenix (that would be me)...if you are disappointed in D'Angelo, you would be very disappointed in Strome. From what I have seen his skating will always keep him from being a top 6 stud. Very similar to his brother. Remember what I told you about D'Angelo last summer.

Forgive me bobbop. I drink a lot and have a terrible memory What exactly did you say last summer about DeAngelo?

 

[haohmaru]

This from a trusted source...everyone is asking the Rangers about McDonagh. Some teams are more serious than others but there are plenty of interested suitors, including his team. The price the Rangers have set is "astronomical". My friend (NHL scout) thinks that he is the one player that the Rangers hold on to and resign.

Interesting. It's kind of telling that he's having his worst season and that coincides with dependable Dan no longer being his sidekick. This being said, I questioned the move(s) last off season and still do. Our two greatest weaknesses were positions we dealt from - ie... we bought out a dependable right handed D that could've been effective in a reduced role (Girardi at 3D and PK), lost Lindberg which we knew was a risk, and dealt our #1C, or 1B, or whatever you'd like to refer to Stepan is and here we are in February going into fire sale mode because we're weak up the middle and on the right side.

McD has been given a shit hand to play this season. Musical chairs for partners that just don't fit with his game. Weaksauce Centers where you're thrusting Hayes into a defensive role that's completely new for him, trying Miller at center over and over, praying that Andersson was ready for the NHL, and picking the carcasses of the NHL scrapheap (DD, Holland, etc....) or Nieves.

If I were a contending team I'd be taking a LONG look at McD putting my team over the top. Imagine him on Tampa? The big fear here is that we trade him and wait forever for another 1D guy to take his place. I don't think anyone in the system will do that. Even Skjei.

 

[Mikos87]

Miller's out there. Teams asking for Kreider & Miller. - Dreger