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Roster Building Thread - Part XII

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Shesterkybomb said:
Only in ny would we make the ecf one year, and want to rebuild the next, shake my head
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Our team isnt young and this what the 4th shot for this core. Its not like our star players are suddenly going to get better.

i just see the writing on the wall with this team. Give them a final shot this year, and if it fails again just rip off the baindaid and kickstart hopefully a fast retool with all the forwards we can sell and get a haul for.

Our d is very young still and we can build around them.

Machinehead said:
Yeah, that's a fair point. And very much against Larry's typical MO of toeing the line.
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dan Rosen speculated today on NhL radio that Igors side leaked it out.

He said Drury runs a tight ship and there was no reason for the Rangers to leak.

Interesting to listen to

Again just speculation.
 
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I don't have a problem if Igor's side wanted to play games with management. What I don't like is that it plays games with the fans; that makes no sense and is a net negative.
 
I loved Hank but I wasn't loving his last contract b/c we all knew it would be terrible towards the end (and it was- they bought him out for Christ sake). This guy ain't no Hank...nowhere near as consistent (I'm looking at YOU January 2024). I like Shesty a lot but this deal (or higher) would cripple us. Great goalie and AHL'ers on the ice.
 
IDvsEGO said:
There’s a huge difference between “Trouba won’t report” and “Trouba asked for another year, didn’t put movable teams on his list and Drury didn’t move him, and he knows next year he’s moved unless he’s a much much better player.
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In the end, Trouba got what he wanted.

The day he's gone, we're better off.
 


All the goalies are getting contracts right now. Must be goalie week in the NHL.

I guess all of the agents were waiting for the Swayman contract to reset the $$ comps higher.
 
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Hire Sather said:
I think a lot of us me included aren't even considering that he's not going to be the best goalie for the length of the contract

We took Hank's consistency for granted. Giving Igor 10, 11 or 12 million when he's the best goalie in the league is still not worth it but what about when he isn't? What about if he's not Hank,? , what if he's only good for 5 more years?

We're about to cripple this franchise with this contract.
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It's wild how how some of the people on this board are like "Who cares about an extra few mil, its just cap space". Makes me roll my eyes. Lets just cripple the franchise and be 1st/2nd round exits for another 8 years.

The other defense people throw out is, look how close we were to the Stanley Cup! We got lucky vs Carolina and got steam rolled by Florida. Florida wasnt even close. I think they possessed the puck 95% of the series.

Give them one last year. Let Igor walk after.
 
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Atax said:
It's wild how how some of the people on this board are like "Who cares about an extra few mil, its just cap space". Makes me roll my eyes. Lets just cripple the franchise and be 1st/2nd round exits for another 8 years.

The other defense people throw out is, look how close we were to the Stanley Cup! We got lucky vs Carolina and got steam rolled by Florida. Florida wasnt even close. I think they possessed the puck 95% of the series.

Give them one last year. Let Igor walk after.
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You’re saying this current roster is going to get steam rolled. I agree with that. Why would give this team one last year and let our most valuable asset walk?
 
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There's a lot of talk about best goalie in the league. Even if that is true, how much better is he than the rest of the top? He has had some outstanding playoff runs and the year he won the Vezina he was clearly head and shoulders above the rest, but since then he's not been the best goalie in the league during the regular season. If we're going to pay him it's because he's a top goalie, options are limited, or the organization will continue to use goaltending as a crutch. But I don't think pay him because he's the best goalie in the league should be a thing when majority of the last 2 years he hasn't played like a top 3 goalie.

I'm not saying we won't feel it by letting him go. I just think we should settle down with the best goalie in the league talk as a reason to pay him 11+M.
 
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Hire Sather said:
In the end, Trouba got what he wanted.

The day he's gone, we're better off.
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The way that people seem to view this as a binary Trouba vs Drury is the problem.
Drury could likely have moved Trouba if he really wanted to. It’s been reported multiple times that there’s no issues between the org and Trouba. This was overblown to sell clicks.
 
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Shadowtron said:
I have zero confidence in our goalie prospects doing anything at the NHL level. At all. You think Garand has that potential (serious question)?
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We have 4 years to figure it out and yes I do feel Garand is gonna be a #1 goalie, not the ceiling Igor has but still a capable goalie at a fraction of the price. He's risen to every challenge he's had, he's young and will take some time but I do belive he is a starter in the nhl.
 
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I would play super hardball with him. He's not getting that anywhere else. Look at the state of the league.

(Actually, I would just get rid of him, but that's me. Trying to be somewhat realistic here).

It's easier to keep guys than to bring them in, because it's just a raise for us. Somebody signing him would have to have a fresh $12m+ lying around. Nobody has that except for bottom-dwelling teams. You can't even clear salary. Nobody can take it.

He's banking on the fact that we need to him to win, and he's probably right, but he's just as vulnerable. He's not getting anywhere near what he reportedly turned down from anyone but the Rangers.
 
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You know what? Let him go to SJ or Utah and get his 12. See how he likes that. I’m sure there’s plenty of vodka and microfilm in those places. (80’s Russian spy reference for the kiddies who are confused).
 
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Shesterkybomb said:
We have 4 years to figure it out and yes I do feel Garand is gonna be a #1 goalie, not the ceiling Igor has but still a capable goalie at a fraction of the price. He's risen to every challenge he's had, he's young and will take some time but I do belive he is a starter in the nhl.
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Gracias, amigo! Was just curious on your thoughts.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
Our team isnt young and this what the 4th shot for this core. Its not like our star players are suddenly going to get better.

i just see the writing on the wall with this team. Give them a final shot this year, and if it fails again just rip off the baindaid and kickstart hopefully a fast retool with all the forwards we can sell and get a haul for.

Our d is very young still and we can build around them.



dan Rosen speculated today on NhL radio that Igors side leaked it out.

He said Drury runs a tight ship and there was no reason for the Rangers to leak.

Interesting to listen to

Again just speculation.
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Our team isn't old either and the guys that are aging a bit ie Kreider and Panarin play a style that isn't predicated on speed so they'll still be productive for likely 4 or 5 years. Need 2 of Othmann, Sykora, Perrault, Berard to become good players, and need a couple d to come into their own too. People just overreact and pretend there's nothing that can be fixed ufa happens every year, being in ny we have a good chance at getting any pending ufa
 
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TGWL said:
There's a lot of talk about best goalie in the league. Even if that is true, how much better is he than the rest of the top? He has had some outstanding playoff runs and the year he won the Vezina he was clearly head and shoulders above the rest, but since then he's not been the best goalie in the league during the regular season. If we're going to pay him it's because he's a top goalie, options are limited, or the organization will continue to use goaltending as a crutch. But I don't think pay him because he's the best goalie in the league should be a thing when majority of the last 2 years he hasn't played like a top 3 goalie.

I'm not saying we won't feel it by letting him go. I just think we should settle down with the best goalie in the league talk as a reason to pay him 11+M.
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I look at a guy like Hellebucyk. A two-time Vezina winner, consensus one of the very best goalies in the league and a guy that faces a ton of rubber behind an average defense and generally puts in a herculean effort. Yet, when push came to shove, he simply couldn't get it done in the playoffs last year. A performance for the ages can elevate an average goalie on a great team and win a cup but it's very challenging for a great goalie on a substandard team, especially defensively to do the same. I just don't see the Rangers, with Shesterkin making $13 mil a season in his twilight years getting the job done.
 
We should be way more aggressive trying to sign Laf before Igor

I just hope the ranges are mad that he turned down this deal and maybe they'll sour on extending him now. It's a pipe dream and I know they're never going to let him walk. But man the franchise is truly on the line here.

Drafting these franchise goalies is a blessing and then a curse.

We should keep doing it but treat them like starting pictures and never give them the big contract that he's about to get.
 
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Rangers set themselves up that they can cut bait with Igor, Trouba and potentially Panarin this summer if they dont at least get to the Cup Final. If they actually do that remains to be seen, but that's a great place to start salary-wise if you want to retool the team to be built more around the Fox/Lafreniere core group going forward. Which I'm very much in favor of.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Rangers set themselves up that they can cut bait with Igor, Trouba and potentially Panarin this summer if they dont at least get to the Cup Final. If they actually do that remains to be seen, but that's a great place to start salary-wise if you want to retool the team to be built more around the Fox/Lafreniere core group going forward. Which I'm very much in favor of.
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I don't really get the need to move Panarin. If he were open to it, I'd extend him honestly. 3-4 years at maybe $8-9m, see if he will bite
 
NYR Viper said:
I don't really get the need to move Panarin. If he were open to it, I'd extend him honestly. 3-4 years at maybe $8-9m, see if he will bite
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Thats a discussion that needs to be had based on the contracts our RFAs get. An aging Panarin who has shown he can't get it done in the playoffs consistently is not a must-sign personally but Im open to it.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Rangers set themselves up that they can cut bait with Igor, Trouba and potentially Panarin this summer if they dont at least get to the Cup Final. If they actually do that remains to be seen, but that's a great place to start salary-wise if you want to retool the team to be built more around the Fox/Lafreniere core group going forward. Which I'm very much in favor of.
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Panarin has a full nmc. Really interesting to see if he’s waiving that at all. It happens but it’s really rare.
 
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