Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XII

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers want to procure more youth. They want to expand the prospect base so that their margin for error expands. They have a first-rounder of their own and they will have the 31st overall selection if Tampa Bay wins the Cup (if not, they will own the Lightning’s second-round pick). One first-rounder may not be enough to satisfy the GM.

Which is where Kevin Hayes comes in … or goes, however you see the future unfolding for the pending unrestricted free agent operating on a one-year, $5.175 million deal after he and the Rangers could not agree on a multi-year extension.

Does the GM envision Hayes as part of the next core? If he does, it will likely come at the going rate of between $5.7 million and $6.2 million per for six years. If he does not, then it becomes a two-pronged question of when and for what in return for No. 13.

Hayes is here if I’m running the show. The steady escalation in the 26-year-old’s maturation from his dismal sophomore season has been striking, even if he remains an unrepentant Patriots and Red Sox fan. He spends his summers in the gym. He has responded to being called out and benched on the season’s first weekend. He is as receptive to coaching as anyone.

There are other considerations. The Rangers are deepest on the depth chart at center and left defense, needy on the wings and right D. Should a team offer a younger top-six winger or a top-four right D, then surely Gorton would have to listen. But moving Hayes as a rental for the generic late first-rounder-plus package does little to advance the franchise. Again: when does the staff think the team will be ready?

https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/the-rangers-toughest-decision-as-their-big-rebuild-takes-shape/

I respect the fact that Brooks has been covering the NHL for over 40 years but doesn't have a clue. If Brooks was running the show, Kovalchuk would have been given anything he wanted.

Giving Hayes a long-term contract does little to advance the franchise.

I know the media likes Hayes and he is a good guy and everything.

Brooks acts like Hayes is some cornerstone player for the next 5-6 years. He isn't.

 

[I Eat Crow]

All giving Hayes a long term deal does is block Howden, Lias, and Chytil from playing top 6 minutes after this year.

Centers go for a premium at the deadline. If he keeps playing well, he'll garner a bit more than a late 1st rounder and B prospect.

 

[RGY]

Get Nylander, deal Hayes at the deadline

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Get Nylander

I think thats easier said than done....

Let’s draft our own Nylander and surround him with the numerous young players Nylander would cost us.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think thats easier said than done....

Let’s draft our own Nylander and surround him with the numerous young players Nylander would cost us.

If the Rangers stay course and are "unlucky" they'll end up with one of Cozens/Dach/Newhook/Turcotte. If they get a little luck on their side, they'll end up with Hughes or Kakko. One of those guys with Kravstov coming in and maybe Gettinger in the bottom six looks pretty darn good. Throw in a Panarin and maybe one other UFA (I still say don't be shocked if Brock Nelson moves from Brooklyn to Manhattan..Gordie Clarke was hot on him his draft year) and all of a sudden the team looks a lot better.

Hayes says he wants to stay but like any other athlete trying hitting UFA he wants to get paid. He's been aloof this season. He has 3 points in 9 games. That's like a 30 point season (lol). I'm sure he'll pick it up but he's not taking a discount. He's not a pure finisher and as speed gets more valued every year, he doesn't play a quick game.

A team like Boston will look to get over the hump. Carolina could use center help. Winnipeg is probably the best match because they're in win now mode. They're stacked without a number 2C. Roslovic and 1st. Stay patient, Chevy will eventually blink.

 

[Overcast]

I think thats easier said than done....

Let’s draft our own Nylander and surround him with the numerous young players Nylander would cost us.

I think that's easier said than done.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If the Rangers stay course and are "unlucky" they'll end up with one of Cozens/Dach/Newhook/Turcotte. If they get a little luck on their side, they'll end up with Hughes or Kakko. One of those guys with Kravstov coming in and maybe Gettinger in the bottom six looks pretty darn good. Throw in a Panarin and maybe one other UFA (I still say don't be shocked if Brock Nelson moves from Brooklyn to Manhattan..Gordie Clarke was hot on him his draft year) and all of a sudden the team looks a lot better.

Hayes says he wants to stay but like any other athlete trying hitting UFA he wants to get paid. He's been aloof this season. He has 3 points in 9 games. That's like a 30 point season (lol). I'm sure he'll pick it up but he's not taking a discount. He's not a pure finisher and as speed gets more valued every year, he doesn't play a quick game.

A team like Boston will look to get over the hump. Carolina could use center help. Winnipeg is probably the best match because they're in win now mode. They're stacked without a number 2C. Roslovic and 1st. Stay patient, Chevy will eventually blink.

From your mouth...

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

From your mouth...

Rosolovic only has two points so far this season. One less than Hayes. He's a longterm power forward project. He'd essentially replace Kreider on Rangers: The Next Generation. He's more of an asset/chip to Winnipeg than a long term piece. Every Win Now team makes sacrifices. Chevy is extremely stingy but if he goes into the playoffs with Little as his #2C, that's a fireable offense.

 

[Rongomania]

Rosolovic only has two points so far this season. One less than Hayes. He's a longterm power forward project. He'd essentially replace Kreider on Rangers: The Next Generation. He's more of an asset/chip to Winnipeg than a long term piece. Every Win Now team makes sacrifices. Chevy is extremely stingy but if he goes into the playoffs with Little as his #2C, that's a fireable offense.

I think those Boston - type teams will salivate over a Hayes or a zucc.

You think we’re waiting for the Nylander situation to play out ?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think those Boston - type teams will salivate over a Hayes or a zucc.

You think we’re waiting for the Nylander situation to play out ?

I just don't see the assets adding up to get Nylander. Toronto is going to want ELCs with potential not rentals and not underperforming vets with long contracts. RHD is the sticking point. Rangers don't have any RHD other than Pionk who have value to Toronto. Keane and Lundkvist are 2-3 years away at least. TDA has no value.

 

[RGY]

I think thats easier said than done....

Let’s draft our own Nylander and surround him with the numerous young players Nylander would cost us.

There is absolutely no guarantee you will draft a Nylander. No guarantee whatsoever no matter what overall spot you draft at. Nylander is already a really good player in this league at a young age.

And whatever you have to give up for Nylander you can recoup in a later trade involving, Hayes, zucc, Spooner, Nams, etc., while upgrading the talent on your roster.

I stronglt believe will sign Panarin. Nylander and Panarin on the wings of the young centers we have would be deadly for several years

 

[Rongomania]

I just don't see the assets adding up to get Nylander. Toronto is going to want ELCs with potential not rentals and not underperforming vets with long contracts. RHD is the sticking point. Rangers don't have any RHD other than Pionk who have value to Toronto. Keane and Lundkvist are 2-3 years away at least. TDA has no value.

Nah, I meant to say do you think we wait for the Nylander situation to be resolved - I was assuming elsewhere or he stays put in TO; Gauging the market ?

 

[Ola]

Mario Kempes is a name that haunts Dutch football fans for decades.

I admire his parents for this. An opportunity that couldn’t be missed and they didn’t drop the ball.

He is the older, and much smaller, bro of Adrian Kempe in LA.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers traded a 4th and a 7th for McQuaid.

The conditional seventh-rounder in the deal for Adam McQuaid will go to Boston — in addition to Steven Kampfer and a fourth-rounder — if No. 54 plays 25 games for the Rangers or he is traded during the season.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/16/david-quinn-pushes-rangers-hard-on-day-1/

Gorton needs to bring back more than a #4 and #7.

The Leafs acquired two 2nd's from San Jose for Polak. There were other pieces but that was the main part of the deal.

Hayes and Zuccarello.

Kreider?

Shattenkirk?

Those are the players with value.

If Gorton wants more picks and young players, those the players with value.

Last week,Brooks wrote Claesson could bring back a 2nd or 3rd. We will see.

Staal. No.

Smith. No.

Spooner and Namestnikov. No and no. Too much money and no production.

Vesey. He has disappeared again after playing well the first 3-4 games of the season. Maybe there a swap of disappointment for disappointment out there.

 

[RGY]

Keep Kreider here for the long haul. All the others can go. Keep Zibanejad as well. Those two should be the veteran staples with the new youth. We do not need to offload the entire roster for picks with no quality veterans...thats how you become the Edmonton’s, Buffalo’s and Arizona’s of the league.

 

[darko]

Keep Kreider here for the long haul. All the others can go. Keep Zibanejad as well. Those two should be the veteran staples with the new youth. We do not need to offload the entire roster for picks with no quality veterans...thats how you become the Edmonton’s, Buffalo’s and Arizona’s of the league.

Agree.

 

[NY Lito]

Keep Kreider here for the long haul. All the others can go. Keep Zibanejad as well. Those two should be the veteran staples with the new youth. We do not need to offload the entire roster for picks with no quality veterans...thats how you become the Edmonton’s, Buffalo’s and Arizona’s of the league.

100 percent agree.

Also keep them for the sake of Henrik’s sanity.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Keep Kreider here for the long haul. All the others can go. Keep Zibanejad as well. Those two should be the veteran staples with the new youth. We do not need to offload the entire roster for picks with no quality veterans...thats how you become the Edmonton’s, Buffalo’s and Arizona’s of the league.

Also, stay away from Nylander. Again, he will be absurdly expensive and I see him as an extremely talented passenger. We need a driver.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Also, stay away from Nylander. Again, he will be absurdly expensive and I see him as an extremely talented passenger. We need a driver.

I think in many ways, Nylander is like Zuccarello. 50-60 point potential if he's the best player on his line which just isn't worth anything north of 6m.

 

[RangerBoy]

Read the responses to Brooks on Twitter . Love them.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Also, stay away from Nylander. Again, he will be absurdly expensive and I see him as an extremely talented passenger. We need a driver.

I’d understand not wanting to pay the cost, but how is he not a driver? He’s a 20-40 winger that’s in the top percentile in the league for generating shot assists and scoring chances. Those stats aren’t really biased by him playing with Matthews either: they’re based on how his passes cause a certain amount of pre-shot movement and how often they result in a shot attempt on net

 

[Irishguy42]

So...then what exactly did AV do here?

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Rangers traded a 4th and a 7th for McQuaid.



https://nypost.com/2018/09/16/david-quinn-pushes-rangers-hard-on-day-1/

Gorton needs to bring back more than a #4 and #7.

The Leafs acquired two 2nd's from San Jose for Polak. There were other pieces but that was the main part of the deal.

Hayes and Zuccarello.

Kreider?

Shattenkirk?

Those are the players with value.

If Gorton wants more picks and young players, those the players with value.

Last week,Brooks wrote Claesson could bring back a 2nd or 3rd. We will see.

Staal. No.

Smith. No.

Spooner and Namestnikov. No and no. Too much money and no production.

Vesey. He has disappeared again after playing well the first 3-4 games of the season. Maybe there a swap of disappointment for disappointment out there.

Sam Bennett.

 

[Gardner McKay]

So...then what exactly did AV do here?

 

[Gardner McKay]

I’d understand not wanting to pay the cost, but how is he not a driver? He’s a 20-40 winger that’s in the top percentile in the league for generating shot assists and scoring chances. Those stats aren’t really biased by him playing with Matthews either: they’re based on how his passes cause a certain amount of pre-shot movement and how often they result in a shot attempt on net

This is in my limited viewings of him. I think AK hit it perfectly a guy like Zuccarello. Which would be great to get another young Zucc. But, He wants way too much money and I think he will cost significantly more than he is worth. Much like Duchene.