Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XII

[Mac n Gs]

This is in my limited viewings of him. I think AK hit it perfectly a guy like Zuccarello. Which would be great to get another young Zucc. But, He wants way too much money and I think he will cost significantly more than he is worth. Much like Duchene.

I don’t think that’s a good comparison at all, tbh. Nylander attacks with speed and dangles while Zucc is more methodical and sets up plays by being patient. Nylander is already outscoring Zucc’s best performances and should score more if Babcock rolled his top-6 more

 

[Gardner McKay]

I don’t think that’s a good comparison at all, tbh. Nylander attacks with speed and dangles while Zucc is more methodical and sets up plays by being patient. Nylander is already outscoring Zucc’s best performances and should score more if Babcock rolled his top-6 more

Fair. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. For a second, lets say I agree with the above. I still don't think he is worth what he will command both assets wise in a trade and $$$ wise on a contract.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nylander is much, much better than Zuccarello.

At 20 and 21 he already matched Zucc's best with a fraction of the ice time. He isn't done developing either and has been a monster internationally.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Fair. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. For a second, lets say I agree with the above. I still don't think he is worth what he will command both assets wise in a trade and $$$ wise on a contract.

That’s fair. I have no idea what his trade value is right now, but I can’t imagine it’s at full value given the approaching deadline for him to sign or not play this year.

I really have no problem giving him a 7x$7-9M on a long-term deal. That would have him locked up for the rest of his 20s, and he’d easily be our best player in the immediate future. The thought of a Mika-Nylander combo is droolworthy, especially after we saw how well he and Rakell worked together. Another RHS that’s worked great with Mika in the past is Silfverberg

 

[Kovalev27]

Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Zucc

This isn’t close kid is 21 and outscoring zucc st his peak. Not even similar players in style either.

 

[Ghost of jas]

My problem with trading for Nylander is the potential costs in assets and $. If he truly wants $8 million per, I can’t pay that for a complementary winger. We’re not talking a 1C or 1D, or even a Laine-type of goal scorer. Yes, he becomes the best forward we have. But, he potentially warps the salary structure going forward. He’s just not the right player at the right time for this franchise.

 

[Leetch3]

how much of nylander's numbers are the results of being on a line with auston matthews? cause he doesn't seem to have missed nylander so far this year

 

[Gardner McKay]

That’s fair. I have no idea what his trade value is right now, but I can’t imagine it’s at full value given the approaching deadline for him to sign or not play this year.

I really have no problem giving him a 7x$7-9M on a long-term deal. That would have him locked up for the rest of his 20s, and he’d easily be our best player in the immediate future. The thought of a Mika-Nylander combo is droolworthy, especially after we saw how well he and Rakell worked together. Another RHS that’s worked great with Mika in the past is Silfverberg

7x7? Sure. That would be about the max. I believe he wants closer to the 9 range. Absolutely not.

I also don't believe his trade value will take that much of a hit. Not enough to where I would consider it anyway.

I think it would take Skjei ++ to get him. Granted it was a bad trade but look at Larsson and Hall, Skjei is better than Larsson and Hall is significantly better than Nylander.

 

[Trxjw]

I think the Avs might make the most sense as a landing spot for Hayes. Jost hasn't settled into that 2c role yet and they're a one line team. Having Ottawas first likely means they'd be more willing to part with their own first. AJ Greer is a guy in their system I really like. Not a super star in the making but should be a good middle six winger.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think the Avs might make the most sense as a landing spot for Hayes. Jost hasn't settled into that 2c role yet and they're a one line team. Having Ottawas first likely means they'd be more willing to part with their own first. AJ Greer is a guy in their system I really like. Not a super star in the making but should be a good middle six winger.

Honestly, I feel like with the Avs having Ottawa's 1st, they are ripe to overpay for something they desperately need.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Didn't Greer leave BU while Quinn was there?

And Colorado is the ideal landing spot for Hayes. May not light it up on the ice, but off the ice is a completely different story.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

There is absolutely no guarantee you will draft a Nylander. No guarantee whatsoever no matter what overall spot you draft at. Nylander is already a really good player in this league at a young age.

And whatever you have to give up for Nylander you can recoup in a later trade involving, Hayes, zucc, Spooner, Nams, etc., while upgrading the talent on your roster.

I stronglt believe will sign Panarin. Nylander and Panarin on the wings of the young centers we have would be deadly for several years

We might not even have the pieces TOR would be interested for Nylander. If he’s moved I think it’s for a 1/1.

They don’t need help at LD, and our most valuable dmen is Skjei.

Shatty, Pionk, and ADA don’t get you Nylander.

What if the cost is Chytil + our 1st this year..? Spooner and Names won’t get us a 1st. Hayes and Zucc won’t get us a top-10 pick.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think the Avs might make the most sense as a landing spot for Hayes. Jost hasn't settled into that 2c role yet and they're a one line team. Having Ottawas first likely means they'd be more willing to part with their own first. AJ Greer is a guy in their system I really like. Not a super star in the making but should be a good middle six winger.

I’ve proposed Kamenev and Meloche for Hayes before. I know RB mentioned Jost for Hayes in the late summer, but I think that’s unrealistic

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We aren't a match for Nylander unless the Leafs are fascinated by Shattenkirk/Pionk or JG decides to get stupid.

They need to let this whole season play out before making any major additions. Subtract the pieces that we don't need moving forward and then make your moves during the summer.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Didn't Greer leave BU while Quinn was there?

And Colorado is the ideal landing spot for Hayes. May not light it up on the ice, but off the ice is a completely different story.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I’ve proposed Kamenev and Meloche for Hayes before. I know RB mentioned Jost for Hayes in the late summer, but I think that’s unrealistic

I think it is possible but I would agree that it is unlikely. He is only 20. He needs some more time but he could be an absolute stud. I don't see Colorado dealing him. We have seen crazier though. Could be like a Klein for Del Zotto type move.

We aren't a match for Nylander unless the Leafs are fascinated by Shattenkirk/Pionk or JG decides to get stupid.

They need to let this whole season play out before making any major additions. Subtract the pieces that we don't need moving forward and then make your moves during the summer.

My biggest worry. I don't think JG will get stupid per se but... I feel like if Nylander is traded you see a return similar to that of the Duchene trade. We shouldn't be making that kind of move, at least not yet anyway.

 

[RGY]

Also, stay away from Nylander. Again, he will be absurdly expensive and I see him as an extremely talented passenger. We need a driver.

I agree and disagree GM.

I agree he is a passenger as in a complimentary player. However, I think he is trending towards being an elite complimentary player and having him with his playmaking abilitiy, his speed and vision, his finesse, and his ability to open up space on the ice is exactly what we will need to feed Panarin, Chytil, Kravtsov, and whomever we draft this year. You will have the cap space to add both Nylander at age 22, and Panarin while being able to keep Kreider and Zib, and having a bunch of young players on ELCs. Nylander is going to be an elite playmaker in this league imo. Im willing to make a trade for him and pay him. And on the flip side you recoup those assets by trading the others.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I agree and disagree GM.

I agree he is a passenger as in a complimentary player. However, I think he is trending towards being an elite complimentary player and having him with his playmaking abilitiy, his speed and vision, his finesse, and his ability to open up space on the ice is exactly what we will need to feed Panarin, Chytil, Kravtsov, and whomever we draft this year. You will have the cap space to add both Nylander at age 22, and Panarin while being able to keep Kreider and Zib, and having a bunch of young players on ELCs. Nylander is going to be an elite playmaker in this league imo. Im willing to make a trade for him and pay him. And on the flip side you recoup those assets by trading the others.

I would be, if this was Chia we were dealing with. Or Dorion.

Dubas is going to want top dollar for Nylander. You can bet that one of Chytil/Kravtsov would be included in that deal at minimum, if not both. You said it yourself, he is trending towards being elite. You are getting an elite winger, in his prime for 7-8 years. We aren't getting him for a Hall type deal IMO and I don't believe we have the depth yet to start making these kinds of trades.

Just my opinion. I like Nylander. I think he would be a good fit. He will cost too much and it isn't the right time to make that move is what it boils down to for me.

 

[Trxjw]

Didn't Greer leave BU while Quinn was there?

And Colorado is the ideal landing spot for Hayes. May not light it up on the ice, but off the ice is a completely different story.

Yeah he did. He was relegated to lower line duties and left for the Q.

Colorado has a great shot at re-signing Hayes. Maybe there's a bigger deal there.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nylander>>>>>>>>>>>Zucc

This isn’t close kid is 21 and outscoring zucc st his peak. Not even similar players in style either.

But how much of that production is because of Matthews?

 

[Trxjw]

I’ve proposed Kamenev and Meloche for Hayes before. I know RB mentioned Jost for Hayes in the late summer, but I think that’s unrealistic

Yeah Jost isn't coming back unless Hayes is extended. Even then I doubt it. Not that I'm a huge Jost fan but he is considered a high end prospect by most. Not sure Hayes gets that kind of player back.

 

[MetalJaws]

But how much of that production is because of Matthews?

A lot. I don't know why this isn't stated more. JT Miller and Namestnikov, Sheary, Guentzel etc. when moved away from elite talent stuggle a bit. Hell, look at Poolparty removed from Aho and Laine. Drop city.

 

[NYR Viper]

How about:

Hayes for COL 1st '19 + conditional COL 1st '20 (becomes a 3rd if Hayes leaves as UFA) + prospect

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah he did. He was relegated to lower line duties and left for the Q.

Colorado has a great shot at re-signing Hayes. Maybe there's a bigger deal there.

He almost signed there out of BC.

There is no doubt in my mind that he'd become buds with the guys and stick around. He can blaze his own trail out of the spotlight as the 2nd line C and the Pepsi Center is a nice little joint.

In all seriousness, Denver is an awesome city and they're an up and coming team that is going to be really, really good very soon.

 

[NYR Viper]

Hayes would be a very nice complimentary 2nd line C to Mackinnon. One slows the game down and is very good defensively while the other is high speed and offensively oriented. That would make sense.