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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

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True Blue said:
I do not think that anyone is dismissing him. Some are not happy with the results, but dismissed he is not. And I think that most are on board with him.
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That's fair. Why should we be happy with losses? We invest our time and money into this team. I do like that he is so hands on throughout the game. We have a young team; many of the boys need a teacher -- not just a guide.
 
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Giving a young player a game off to sit and watch the game with an assistant coach (Greg Brown) isn’t the end of the world. Should Buch be scratched? No, but he hasn’t been good and maybe this will help him. It surely kicked Namestnikov’s ass in gear and worked for him.

To act like this is some plight against Buch and a way of shaming him is completely asinine and a total farce.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but why is Nylander better than Andersson or Chytil? Both of their D+1 season looks pretty similar to Nylander
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Nylander in the SHL in his D+1 had 21 pts in 22 games, and in the AHL had 32 pts in 37 games. Andersson had 14 pts in 22 games in the SHL and 14 pts in 25 games in the AHL. Plus Nylander didn't turn 19 until the end of the season while Andersson turned 19 in October. Chytil had 31 pts in 47 games while being a few months younger. So close but still a bit worse.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Nylander in the SHL in his D+1 had 21 pts in 22 games, and in the AHL had 32 pts in 37 games. Andersson had 14 pts in 22 games in the SHL and 14 pts in 25 games in the AHL. Plus Nylander didn't turn 19 until the end of the season while Andersson turned 19 in October. Chytil had 31 pts in 47 games while being a few months younger. So close but still a bit worse.
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Don't TOI, quality of line mates, ppg for the teams they are on, health of the player (remember Andersson was coming back from a major shoulder injury when he began his AHL career) and extenuating circumstances also come into effect here?

Because if any of those circumstances come into effect here, then there is a grey area there and it's at least a conversation. All I was trying to point out is that the Rangers have some nice prospects as well. I wouldn't say their young players aren't in the same realm as someone like Nylander
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You are entitled to think whatever you'd like, but that doesn't mean if you say something that is disagreeable, everyone will agree. If I say Smith is a 2D, I'd expect people to disagree. If I say Hayes is a 4C, I'd expect people to disagree. As I have said before, statistically speaking Buchnevich grades out as a good second line/bad first line player in his second season. I understand a lot of the fanbase dislikes him because a lot of the fanbase likes him, but if we are to actually discuss the merits of the argument, there's not a good case other than "because I said so" that he doesn't grade out as a good second line/bad first line player after his second season.
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I don't have anything against the guy. But let's be real: he's physically and defensively weak; his shot is very good but not elite; his skating is certainly good but also not elite; his stick-handling is, again, very good but not elite. He just doesn't get me on the edge of my seat the way a bona fide first liner -- like Patrick Kane or Artemi Panarin -- does. A first-line player has to excite me -- not just put up points -- but, again, that's a personal thing.
 
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mrmovies779 said:
Tough love 101.Holding all accountable-and im all for it.Whether veteran or rookie,hes showing he will bench you if he feels the effort and results arent there.
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God knows many of our players need it. I just hope he doesn't lose the team. The boys should be sufficiently professional and mature to appreciate this opportunity -- to have someone take such interest in their development.
 
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Edge said:
I'm not sure that Kravtsov's ability circa 2020 or 2021 isn't right up there either.
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I agree, but that conversation is much more grey just due to timing. I happen to think Kravtsov is the most talented player in the organization right now, which says something because I really like Andersson and Chytil
 
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NYR Viper said:
Don't TOI, quality of line mates, ppg for the teams they are on, health of the player (remember Andersson was coming back from a major shoulder injury when he began his AHL career) and extenuating circumstances also come into effect here?

Because if any of those circumstances come into effect here, then there is a grey area there and it's at least a conversation. All I was trying to point out is that the Rangers have some nice prospects as well. I wouldn't say their young players aren't in the same realm as someone like Nylander
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Sure those things can be a factor, but when the discrepancies are sizable, atleast in the case of Andersson I don't think those factors would make a big difference. That's not to say he's not a good prospect, and who knows, maybe he turns out better than Nylander. But at this moment I wouldn't consider him in the same tier of prospect as Nylander was.
 
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mrmovies779 said:
thats complete nonsense and you know it.The guy has forgotten more about hockey than any of us will ever know.Disagreeing on things he did or didnt do is 1 thing,thinking any of us knew more than him is asinine.
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The creators of "Baby Geniuses 2" have forgotten more about making movies than I will ever know.

But I could have told them that making that movie was an idiotic idea.

AV's coaching career had more than a few Baby Genius sequels.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I agree, but that conversation is much more grey just due to timing. I happen to think Kravtsov is the most talented player in the organization right now, which says something because I really like Andersson and Chytil
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I think Kravtsov probably has the most natural ability of any forward prospect in the organization. Though I think it will be interesting to see what he, Chytil and Andersson bring to the table because they're all different.

I'd be interested in a guy like Nylander, though it's always a matter of cost and context.

I feel like the pieces Rangers' fans would be willing to give up wouldn't be enough to entice Toronto. Likewise, by the off chance Toronto did decide to go with the unproven in a trade for Nylander, I can't help but feel that the cost would for the Rangers would be somewhat akin to spinning our wheels in place.

I feel like a Nylander trade is the type of deal you make when you have a similarly aged player, with a similar value, and both teams are looking to deal from a position of strength to improve another area of the team.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I agree, but that conversation is much more grey just due to timing. I happen to think Kravtsov is the most talented player in the organization right now, which says something because I really like Andersson and Chytil
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I couldn't agree more with this. If (and this might be a big if) those three pan out, we'll be in a great spot, especially with our existing forward pool. Those three with Kreider, Ziba, Hayes and Butch ... my, oh my, did things just get interesting!
 
I don't think Nylander gets us where we want to go if we get him now.

Wouldn't dump 8M+ on anyone who's not at least a solid contender to be a postseason all-star at this stage of the rebuild. Certainly wouldn't be trading our lottery tickets for yet another playmaker.
 
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effen said:
I don't think Nylander gets us where we want to go if we get him now.

Wouldn't dump 8M+ on anyone who's not at least a solid contender to be a postseason all-star at this stage of the rebuild. Certainly wouldn't be trading our lottery tickets for yet another playmaker.
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I'd look at it as an upgrade to Buch
 
duhmetreE said:
I'd look at it as an upgrade to Buch
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yeah but why, and why now?

the org only has an average amount of assets for a rebuild as of right now so you'd be losing some of those, plus you'd be paying market price on the contract.

you'd need to be really certain he'd progress to a 75 pt. guy, and even then you can just sign Panarin who is an existing 75 pt. guy for just money and have Buch, Skjei, and whatever else
 
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