Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Gorton: We want Chytil and Lias at center. We see them as natural centers

Quinn: What? Don't care

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

May the hockey gods help the Rangers...

It's in part your boy's fault for not showing up

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Buch has been fine imo. Don't agree with this.

Don't agree with Chytil playing wing either. Send him down.

We are getting closer to the moment where Lias and Chytil swap places.

 

[Ola]

We are getting closer to the moment where Lias and Chytil swap places.

Send Chytil down and keep Lias down. Our blueline and forward support is so weak that its hard for a scorer to be consistent offensively. Howden is a better fit because, he gets the odd set-up of course but most of his offense comes from creating turnovers and those type of situations. He has been able to make his own fortune so to speak.

 

[Ola]

Way too early yet but if "Relentless" is the universal word to describe the NYR new model then might have to question does the club have the correct players in place to play a "Relentless" style?

A younger Ryan Callahan would have fit perfect.
A Michael Ferland would have fit perfect but he wasn't a player that was on the block, wait what?
A Jason Zucker perhaps would fit the system.

Thinking aloud here maybe some components to play a Relentless style aren't current employed here...Yet!

I agree for sure. Spooner, Names and also Vesey are IMO pretty questionable on our team -- especially considering what the club needs more of, in those areas these guys bring very little. Its hard not to feel that we would benefit more from having a more straight forward type on the ice when we are struggling to get anything going and Spooner or Names or someone like that is playing on a 3rd and 4th line that is flat...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The article in the NYPost on Buchnevich’s pending benching strongly insinuates the problem has been at practice. It’s very concerning that a young player, with a new coach no less, can’t avoid loafing it at practice. For a rebuilding team that is destined to stink, work ethic across the roster is an important foundation for the future. What’s the excuse for going through the motions? I don’t get it.

Anyway, it also goes to show you that the armchair QB’s who declare “Buch has been fine!!” either have a self serving agenda to make excuses for a player they like, and/or a huge blind spot that fails to consider that being a pro goes beyond the 3 nights a week they watch a player on MSG.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Send Chytil down and keep Lias down. Our blueline and forward support is so weak that its hard for a scorer to be consistent offensively. Howden is a better fit because, he gets the odd set-up of course but most of his offense comes from creating turnovers and those type of situations. He has been able to make his own fortune so to speak.

Ideally, we keep both in the AHL. I have been saying this all year. With their contracts being slide-eligible, there is a big advantage in having them in the AHL, unless they show they can contribute in the NHL in a significant role (more than 10 minutes a game)

 

[RangerBoy]

Buchnevich problem is "insubordination".

Quinn wanted to give him a look at left wing.

Quinn also said he is anxious to see the left-handed shooting Buchnevich on his natural side. The coach envisions No. 89 being more of a playmaker on the left. That may be what Zibanejad, more of a shooter than a dispatcher, requires.

“Pavel has always played the right side, where he is on his backhand a lot,” Quinn said. “He’s got really good skill. He’ll be on his forehand more on the left, so he might have the puck more and make more plays. It’s something for us to take a look at.”

https://nypost.com/2018/10/11/david-quinn-already-making-some-major-line-changes/

On Thursday, Quinn had the left-handed Buchnevich on the left side for the first time in his career. The coach thought moving No. 89 off his backhand side would open new horizons for him. But the winger either forgot where he was supposed to be or he does not know right from left, for he was forever wandering and bumping into right winger Fast. Friday, Buchnevich pronounced the experiment over.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/13/youngsters-getting-taught-valuable-lesson-from-quinn/

Quinn isn't wrong here.

 

[Irishguy42]

Gorton: We want Chytil and Lias at center. We see them as natural centers

Quinn: What? Don't care

Eh, I think it's a bit disingenuous to put it this black and white.

No doubt the two talked at length about Lias/Chytil and stuff like this over the summer when discussing plans and the future roadmap for the team.

 

[SA16]

Lol so it’s “insubordination” that a guy who has admittedly played the right side his entire career went to play LW in one practice and got confused about his coverages and ended up on the right too much?

 

[Irishguy42]

Lol so it’s “insubordination” that a guy who has admittedly played the right side his entire career went to play LW in one practice and got confused about his coverages and ended up on the right too much?

He played LW last game, IIRC

Just a technicality

 

[SA16]

He played LW last game, IIRC

Just a technicality

Even better then.

So he gets benched for having a bad game playing a position he’s never played in his life.

Remember the whole disastrous Gaborik LW experiment because torts thought it’d be easier to have him on Stepan’s left so he can make passes on his forehand completely neglecting that Gaborik could not then cut to the middle and fire a wrist shot?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Lol so it’s “insubordination” that a guy who has admittedly played the right side his entire career went to play LW in one practice and got confused about his coverages and ended up on the right too much?

No, it’s insubordination that the player declared the experiment over after 1 game. Listen to your coach. Play hard. It’s not difficult, and Buchnevich has earned zero benefit of the doubt.

 

[Irishguy42]

Even better then.

So he gets benched for having a bad game playing a position he’s never played in his life.

Remember the whole disastrous Gaborik LW experiment because torts thought it’d be easier to have him on Stepan’s left so he can make passes on his forehand completely neglecting that Gaborik could not then cut to the middle and fire a wrist shot?

I don't 100% believe it's this, going off of what DQ has said about how important performance in practices have been to being in the lineup. Previous in-game performance certainly will have an impact on expectations following the game, but to me it seems like Quinn is more than likely going to scratch Buch because of effort on the ice during practice yesterday.



Playing "benching" guessing games like this, especially with a new coach, seems like a futile effort. Although I guess Occam's Razor can win a few times...

 

[SA16]

No, it’s insubordination that the player declared the experiment over after 1 game. Listen to your coach. Play hard. It’s not difficult, and Buchnevich has earned zero benefit of the doubt.

It does not say that he went rogue and unilaterally declared it over. That was a pretty poorly written sentence by Brooks. That could easily just mean Quinn told him it was over and Buch happened to be the onf talking to the media first and English obviously isn’t his first language.

 

[Irishguy42]

It does not say that he went rogue and unilaterally declared it over. That was a pretty poorly written sentence by Brooks. That could easily just mean Quinn told him it was over and Buch happened to be the onf talking to the media first and English obviously isn’t his first language.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's this. Dude is probably in a a hurry to get to the locker room and put on street clothes after a hard practice.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It does not say that he went rogue and unilaterally declared it over. That was a pretty poorly written sentence by Brooks. That could easily just mean Quinn told him it was over and Buch happened to be the onf talking to the media first and English obviously isn’t his first language.

Yeah that totally sounds like what happened. It’s that kind of stuff that leads to a benching of a talented player. Again, I don’t know how or why Buchnevich gets the benefit of the doubt in every situation, but here in reality a pattern is clearly emerging across 2 very different coaches

 

[darko]

I remember when AV benched Buch and the pitchforks were out.

 

[Crease]

I'm no Buch fanboy but I'd like to see the question and answer where Buch purportedly "pronounced the experiment over."

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Eh, I think it's a bit disingenuous to put it this black and white.

No doubt the two talked at length about Lias/Chytil and stuff like this over the summer when discussing plans and the future roadmap for the team.

Oh, I know. I was just having fun with it I am sure Chytil will be fine even if he has to play on the wing a few games.

 

[RangerBoy]

I'm no Buch fanboy but I'd like to see the question and answer where Buch purportedly "pronounced the experiment over."

Is this good enough for you?

“I’m not playing left wing anymore,’’ Buchnevich said after practice Friday. “It’s enough. It doesn’t work.’’

His English seems very good making that statement.

“It’s just hard in the defensive zone,’’ he said. “I don’t know what to do. It’s so hard to make the play on that side.’’

Quinn said the experiment was just OK.

“Obviously, he makes a great play for the last goal, but he’s a guy with a bunch of talent — a lot of talent — and we’re trying to get it all out of him,’’ he said. “And it might be a little bit of a process.’’

Is it a process worth revisiting at another time, or not really?

“Eh, I’m going back and forth, to be honest with ya,’’ he said with a chuckle. “Again, it’s just a hunch I had, and I was just trying to see if we could get him going with a right-shot center [Zibanejad].’’

After one game at left wing, Buchnevich moves to right

Quinn should put him back on left wing just tell him who runs the team.

 

[Crease]

Yeah that's a bad quote. Hopefully he was laughing when he said that.

 

[RangerBoy]

Adam Oates had the weird lefty and righty fetish.

He moved OV to RW for two years. OV played left wing his entire career. He led the NHL in goal scoring both seasons and won the Hart as a RW.

I am sure Ovechkin was skeptical but he listened to his coach.

Ovechkin, entering his 10th NHL season, said he'll play whatever side the coaching staff wants.

"I can play both [wings]," Ovechkin said. "Oates taught me how to play on the right side and right now me and Barry talked and he said old position and I agree. If he wants me to play on the right side I will, if he wants me to play on the left side I will."

Capitals' Ovechkin moving back to left wing

"Oates taught me how to play the right side"

Buchnevich declared the switch over after one lousy game. Not even one game. He spent the entire game playing RW. He didn't even give it a chance.

 

[RangerBoy]

Yeah that's a bad quote. Hopefully he was laughing when he said that.

That's why Brooks wrote Buchnevich pronounced the switch is over.

 

[CasusBelli]

No, it’s insubordination that the player declared the experiment over after 1 game. Listen to your coach. Play hard. It’s not difficult, and Buchnevich has earned zero benefit of the doubt.

Agreed. If it doesn't work out, then he can go back to the right, but if it does ... who knows? Maybe that change will help the lad reach new heights? Maybe previous coaches didn't consider the move simply because their team didn't need more scoring from the left? I'm speculating, sure, but all of this is to say that you never know. Try it. See how it goes. No need for attitude.