Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

[Off Sides]

Think of it like this. A truck with nuclear waste is in a car crash on Manhattan and the nuclear waste leaks out on the street. Guys with yellow plastic suits and face masks come out and keeps the civilians from getting close to the leaked nuclear waste.

Playing for us is the leaked nuclear waste. Quinn is the guys in yellow plastic suits and face masks. Our prospects are the civilians.

I'd be fine with that for the prospects who have a bunch of time left on their entry level deals, even if all of them were in the AHL they could all be having a nice time developing there as they are looking to maybe have a pretty good season there.

DeAngelo and Pionk are a little different in that they are in their last entry level year, they are both playing their 22-23 year old season and they will both be waiver eligible next season. This is kind of the last year to find out if they are in the Rangers plans and if they are NHLers. Even if they are not in the Rangers longer term plans just having them develop into full time NHL players would maybe increase their value enough to trade them or one or the other, or at least use them again as stop gaps.

While both of them need to seize the opportunity if given, to this point they've been given Staal to do so with and have been scratched pretty much every other game.

Speaking of next season and beyond, if they do not develop either/both, who are the Rangers going to play on RD? Are they going to need to extend McQuaid? Is Shattenkirk recovering and they are going to keep him throughout his contract? Are the Rangers and Smith back in a happy place with him playing RD? Are they going to have to buy something on the UFA market who will provide about the same level of play that either or one of Pionk/DeAngelo could provide at a lesser cap hit?

For a rebuilding team I just see it as poor asset management and development, I know it's been 5 games, I just don't see it changing unless injury forces it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Agreed. If it doesn't work out, then he can go back to the right, but if it does ... who knows? Maybe that change will help the lad reach new heights? Maybe previous coaches didn't consider the move simply because their team didn't need more scoring from the left? I'm speculating, sure, but all of this is to say that you never know. Try it. See how it goes. No need for attitude.

Its a really concerning situation and speaks volumes about how Buchnevich handles adversity. He felt uncomfortable for a couple of shifts and decided to shut it down? Thats horseshit. Kudos to Quinn for not completely throwing him under the bus, which he has every right to do.

 

[CasusBelli]

Its a really concerning situation and speaks volumes about how Buchnevich handles adversity. He felt uncomfortable for a couple of shifts and decided to shut it down? Thats horse****. Kudos to Quinn for not completely throwing him under the bus, which he has every right to do.

I wonder if a person this childish isn't or doesn't become "locker room poison". This reminds me of the teacher in high school all the students grow to hate simply because one student complained about an "unfair test" (when, in reality, the guy just didn't study). Better to make an example of him before the virus spreads.

 

[CasusBelli]

Adam Oates had the weird lefty and righty fetish.

He moved OV to RW for two years. OV played left wing his entire career. He led the NHL in goal scoring both seasons and won the Hart as a RW.

I am sure Ovechkin was skeptical but he listened to his coach.



Capitals' Ovechkin moving back to left wing

"Oates taught me how to play the right side"

Buchnevich declared the switch over after one lousy game. Not even one game. He spent the entire game playing RW. He didn't even give it a chance.

Winning starts with a winning mentality, which includes humility and a willingness to try new things and exit one's comfort zone, if it benefits the team. Ovechkin clearly understands that. Hossa, who was drafted as a left winger but made a hall-of-fame career for himself as a right winger, also understood that.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I wonder if a person this childish isn't or doesn't become "locker room poison". This reminds me of the teacher in high school all the students grow to hate simply because one student complained about an "unfair test" (when, in reality, the guy just didn't study). Better to make an example of him before the virus spreads.

I think the problem is made worse by having little veteran leadership on the team, and I don't exactly see Staal or Lundqvist having the personalities to put Buchnevich in his place.

Anyway, the Rangers now have 2 serious issues around the forward positions. This one is simply ridiculous because the player should give his all when asked to play a different position, period. The other problem is perhaps more critical towards the future, and that involves prospects like Chytil who are earmarked as a center by the organization, but not yet ready to play the big minutes at the position in the NHL. Call me old fashioned, but Im with Quinn on this one. Chytil should be moved to the wing to get more minutes and more acclimated with the NHL. I don't subscribe to the theory that moving him from center now will be debilitating towards his growth at the position later on. These kids need NHL minutes at this point, and if that comes at the wing, so be it.

 

[Off Sides]

Chytil is currently the 9th youngest NHLer to have played this season, of the 8 players younger 4 of them were drafted in the 1-4 slot. Why not allow him to develop as a center in the AHL?

 

[CasusBelli]

I think the problem is made worse by having little veteran leadership on the team, and I don't exactly see Staal or Lundqvist having the personalities to put Buchnevich in his place.

Anyway, the Rangers now have 2 serious issues around the forward positions. This one is simply ridiculous because the player should give his all when asked to play a different position, period. The other problem is perhaps more critical towards the future, and that involves prospects like Chytil who are earmarked as a center by the organization, but not yet ready to play the big minutes at the position in the NHL. Call me old fashioned, but Im with Quinn on this one. Chytil should be moved to the wing to get more minutes and more acclimated with the NHL. I don't subscribe to the theory that moving him from center now will be debilitating towards his growth at the position later on. These kids need NHL minutes at this point, and if that comes at the wing, so be it.

Could not agree more. Develop him properly. Whether that's in the big league or the minors is up to the coach; you could make a sound case for either. But don't give him fourth-line minutes. Third line minutes plus first-unit power play time or second line and second-unit power play time seems fair for him at this point.

 

[CasusBelli]

Chytil is currently the 9th youngest NHLer to have played this season, of the 8 players younger 4 of them were drafted in the 1-4 slot. Why not allow him to develop as a center in the AHL?

I think part of the reasoning is that we already have Z and Hayes centering our top two lines, and Andersson is projected to be a center as well, so, unless one of those is moved (to another team or another position), it would be a waste to have such a talented player on the fourth line.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Chytil is currently the 9th youngest NHLer to have played this season, of the 8 players younger 4 of them were drafted in the 1-4 slot. Why not allow him to develop as a center in the AHL?

That's fine too. Either have him play center in the AHL or move him to wing in the NHL. I'm just all about getting him more minutes at this point, and I get the sense Quinn might be getting a little pushback from management on the idea of moving him to the wing.

 

[Off Sides]

I think the 2nd line center in Hartford is Holland?

I think they have room for Chytil to play there, yet I am unsure of who it would bump off their playing roster or even to the lower leagues than the AHL but all the same I'd assume that is of less importance.(maybe no one if they bring up Holland)

Eventually they are going to have to make the call on Hayes, and also Zbad too as he does have a clause kicking in.

Not sure I see them moving both, but perhaps Hayes at the deadline, then depending on how the post deadline stuff goes(like Chytil, Howden, Lias all can do center), maybe they do move Zbad right before the draft if they can find a Stepan like trade?

 

[Kovalev27]

First off gorton made the mistake of not making enough room for him

Secondly Quinn is more concerned with winning games than playing kids. I don’t see how AV would have aproached this season any differently. Chytil should be the 2nd line center win or lose. Should be throwing him over the boards.

DeAngelo should be playing over McQuaid win or lose. Should be out there.

Moving Chytil to wing sucks. I’d rather he go to the A

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quinn doesn't seem like hes too interested in winning games by not scratching Staal.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think the 2nd line center in Hartford is Holland?

I think they have room for Chytil to play there, yet I am unsure of who it would bump off their playing roster or even to the lower leagues than the AHL but all the same I'd assume that is of less importance.(maybe no one if they bring up Holland)

Eventually they are going to have to make the call on Hayes, and also Zbad too as he does have a clause kicking in.

Not sure I see them moving both, but perhaps Hayes at the deadline, then depending on how the post deadline stuff goes(like Chytil, Howden, Lias all can do center), maybe they do move Zbad right before the draft if they can find a Stepan like trade?

I believe Fogarty is the #1 and Andersson is the #2. I'd recall Fogarty and send Chytil down.

Zib
Hayes
Howden
Fogarty

 

[Off Sides]

I believe Fogarty is the #1 and Andersson is the #2. I'd recall Fogarty and send Chytil down.

Zib
Hayes
Howden
Fogarty

Thanks, I would agree with that as Fogerty would likely be used as the 4th line center and it probably fits about what his maximum potential is anyway so it removes coaching from the responsibility of just getting him minutes up the depth chart.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So, catching up on the last 5-6 pages, and the overall impression I get is...

The Rangers are a rebuilding team with a new coach.

Do I have that about right?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'd rather Chytil in the AHL but what do I know

At this point I'm whatever on Buch being scratched

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't know why people are flipping over Chytil being on the wing.

Plenty of guys who end up at center have started out on the wing.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't know why people are flipping over Chytil being on the wing.

Plenty of guys who end up at center have started out on the wing.

For me, because he's 19 and probably the Rangers best chance to have a top line center come out of the current prospect pool.

I think he may still end up a wing when all is said and done, but under different circumstances right now they'd still be trying to have him at center so why not change the circumstances to have him play center instead of moving him over?

I think they are doing some of this stuff for optics more than they are for development. I think they should embrace that the AHL could be pretty good and could maybe develop the kids more so than the NHL and are instead trying to show they are rebuilding at the NHL level.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

For me, because he's 19 and probably the Rangers best chance to have a top line center come out of the current prospect pool.

I think he may still end up a wing when all is said and done, but under different circumstances right now they'd still be trying to have him at center so why not change the circumstances to have him play center instead of moving him over?

I think they are doing some of this stuff for optics more than they are for development. I think they should embrace that the AHL could be pretty good and could maybe develop the kids more so than the NHL and are instead trying to show they are rebuilding at the NHL level.

That's perfectly reasonable, but my opinion is that beggars can't be choosers in terms of position. If Chytil is NHL-ready, get him the minutes in the NHL. This game where, apparently, they think he's NHL-ready, but not NHL Center-ready and he needs to be playing center is untenable.

 

[MetalJaws]

5 games might not be enough to evaluate whether or not a young guy is NHL ready. If Chytil moves to wing and succeeds, then great. If Quinn believes he's a true Center than bring him to Hartford and give LA equal opportunity up here and see how that works. Same experiment, maybe 5 games at C, 5 games at wing and see what they provide.

At the end of the day one of Chytil, Howden or LA will have to move to wing if we keep Zib around. 3 big C's in the top 5 next year Hughes, Turcotte and Cozens. If we someone win a top 3 Kakko would be awesome. Winger depth would be nice with Kakko, Kravtsov and Panarin! Add Chytil to that wing core and boom, the future top 6!

So I say, continue losing by a goal, make it fun to watch the kids progress. It's a rebuild.

 

[Off Sides]

That's perfectly reasonable, but my opinion is that beggars can't be choosers in terms of position. If Chytil is NHL-ready, get him the minutes in the NHL. This game where, apparently, they think he's NHL-ready, but not NHL Center-ready and he needs to be playing center is untenable.

Not sure he is NHL ready. I have seen him make some skilled plays and all yet the rest of his game seems to be a little behind.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The article in the NYPost on Buchnevich’s pending benching strongly insinuates the problem has been at practice. It’s very concerning that a young player, with a new coach no less, can’t avoid loafing it at practice. For a rebuilding team that is destined to stink, work ethic across the roster is an important foundation for the future. What’s the excuse for going through the motions? I don’t get it.

Anyway, it also goes to show you that the armchair QB’s who declare “Buch has been fine!!” either have a self serving agenda to make excuses for a player they like, and/or a huge blind spot that fails to consider that being a pro goes beyond the 3 nights a week they watch a player on MSG.

The Brooks article? RangerBoy posted it the post after you and drew a drastically different conclusion from your work-ethic conclusion, but yes it must be that the lazy Russian refuses to work in practice.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The Brooks article? RangerBoy posted it the post after you and drew a drastically different conclusion from your work-ethic conclusion, but yes it must be that the lazy Russian refuses to work in practice.

No, this one:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/15/young-wing-not-having-any-more-luck-with-new-rangers-regime/

I know it's becoming difficult to keep up with all the pock marks regarding Buchnevich's attitude, so I apologize for thinking you did your homework before attempting to defend the indefensible.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No, this one:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/15/young-wing-not-having-any-more-luck-with-new-rangers-regime/

I know it's becoming difficult to keep up with all the pock marks regarding Buchnevich's attitude, so I apologize for thinking you did your homework before attempting to defend the indefensible.

I watched the interview yesterday. I didn't at all think it was about practice. He benched him in the third period of the last game. Why would a coach decide the third period of a game is when they make a point about whats happening in practice? I don't know why you are assuming it was practice instead of games. Quit it with the snide remarks. You drew a dumb conclusion a post before someone else had an article from the same paper on the player about a very similar subject.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I watched the interview yesterday. I didn't at all think it was about practice. He benched him in the third period of the last game. Why would a coach decide the third period of a game is when they make a point about whats happening in practice? I don't know why you are assuming it was practice instead of games. Quit it with the snide remarks. You drew a dumb conclusion a post before someone else had an article from the same paper on the player about a very similar subject.

A coach isn't going to spell it out in big neon lights for you, but Quinn's repeated mentions of how important it is to practice hard is a direct shot at Buchnevich. It's clear as day to anyone who doesn't have the guy's name as a handle here. And it's really difficult to envision the guy who loafed and pouted his way through an NHL game because he got asked to play LW would dog it in practice.