Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI
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silverfish
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Probably because Nylander is a winger, and not a center. Also probably because Nylander and Skjei have nowhere near equal value. Also because who cares what your prospects are when you can make a trade for a guy who instantly becomes your best skater, is 22 years old, and will be under team control for the next 7 years. The last point seems mildly important for a 'rebuilding' team. But. I am not a GM. And I'm usually wrong.
There's not a ton I wouldn't offer to Toronto for Willy.
Ail
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Maybe to a team who is really hurting for another top4 D, but going to wholeheartedly disagree otherwise. Skjei is so overrated. I make that 1:1 and worry about the consequences of our D later.
silverfish
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I wouldn’t mind getting both. (It’s not going to happen but that has never stopped me before)
Deal Zibanejad for a D.
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I'd be more open to dealing Zibanejad for a defenseman if the Rangers win the Hughes lottery. I'd deal both Zibanejad and Hayes if that happened, honestly. For now, though, I'm not comfortable with anointing Chytil, Howden, or Lias with top line duties.
DanielBrassard
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Even if we won the Hughes sweepstakes I'd probably keep Zib and move him to the wing. Maybe if we acquire some RH-shoot first wingers then trading him wouldn't be so bad. But otherwise I would probably keep him.
Edge
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Nylander is going to cost a lot. A LOT.
And at that price range, Toronto is going to be looking for NHL ready talent and players who can put them over the top. They’re not looking for prospects, or vets with either underwhelming results or an expiring contract.
And at that price range, Toronto is going to be looking for NHL ready talent and players who can put them over the top. They’re not looking for prospects, or vets with either underwhelming results or an expiring contract.
Edge
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I’m going to assume that Hayes is dealt this season. I just don’t see the Rangers going long and high with him unless he has a monster season and Howden, Chytil, Andersson completely fall off a cliff.
Zibanejad is the wildcard.
He’s shown glimpses of his high skill level, but he still runs hot and cold. However, he’s on a reasonable contract and could still fill an important role as either a second line center or as a wing.
Zibanejad’s movement clause is a factor that is quickly approaching on the horizon. That changes things a bit.
I think Zibanejad being moved depends on a number of factors.
In addition to his performance, it will depend on what the Rangers see from their trio of center prospects. If they keep progressing like they have, and keep taking on more responsibility, that will carry some weight on the decision.
How the Rangers approach Hayes will likely be a factor with Zibanejad. If the Rangers sign Hayes long term, it probably increases the odds of moving Zibanejad. If they move Hayes, it could potentially delay the timeframe for a Zibanejad trade until the summer.
That would also align with where the Rangers are drafting and who they target.
If the Rangers are picking in the top 5, and feel that will get a center they really like (assuming they are targeting a center), that could also make a Zibanejad move more likely.
Needless to say, there are a lot of variables surrounding Zibanejad.
I agree Edge!
Why couldn't we pull off a Chiarelli special and trade Skjei for Nylander, would be somewhat similar to the Hall/Larsson trade...One can dream...!!
Edge
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While Nylander for Skjei would be a great value, I also would hate to see what this defense would look like without Skjei.
I get to see Carolina a lot and Pesce is significantly overrated. Slavin for Nylander would be value for value. Pesce is not. If Toronto’s pro scouting is any good they would never bite on anything like this — 2 way or three way.
Skjei for Nylander...Hmmm...let me think about that. Again, I would think good pro scouting would have have pegged Skjei like some of us have here — somewhat overrated. But frankly it’s a lot closer call than Pesce. No one is dangling Skeji but if someone asks for him, the dynamic changes.
Nylander is a terrific young player who is a top line forward. Add a very high pick this year and all of sudden, the future offense looks very bright. It’s certainly worth considering.
Skjei for Nylander...Hmmm...let me think about that. Again, I would think good pro scouting would have have pegged Skjei like some of us have here — somewhat overrated. But frankly it’s a lot closer call than Pesce. No one is dangling Skeji but if someone asks for him, the dynamic changes.
Nylander is a terrific young player who is a top line forward. Add a very high pick this year and all of sudden, the future offense looks very bright. It’s certainly worth considering.
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Toronto has Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott and Hanisey that all can play LD, and the first three are really good. Meanwhile they have Zaitsev and Ozhiganov (and Hainsey) on the right and they all pretty much suck.
Brady Skjei @ $5.2M doesn't fit at all. Kevin Shattenkirk @ $3.3M for three years fits like a glove.
IF we acquire Nylander (don't think we will TBH) the package should be based around 22 and 36, not 76.
Brady Skjei @ $5.2M doesn't fit at all. Kevin Shattenkirk @ $3.3M for three years fits like a glove.
IF we acquire Nylander (don't think we will TBH) the package should be based around 22 and 36, not 76.
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NMC just means he can't be sent to Hartford. He had a full NTC his first year but now it's modified and he can only list 10 teams he can't be moved to. Toronto probably isn't on the list, and even so that can be waived (like with Gabby).
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Hainsey plays on their top pair with riley on the right side. Safe to say shatty would be a massive improvement
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I thought Rielly was on the left, but the point still stands: They don't need LDs at all, they desperately need an RD.
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Why would a player whose dream it was to play for the Rangers, waive his NTC to be traded away by the Rangers?
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They need a defensive RD, not a guy who is only good at the powerplay and can't PK.
I doubt TOR trades Nylander to an Eastern team. Look, they clearly have an issue with the agent and player's demands. But scoring is not an issue for that team.
What they need and I'm sure they will trade for a couple of these pieces, are guys that can reliable shutdown a top line. I think they will find that player as a rental, and as a depth piece for their PK but not 5v5.
I'm talking about a McQuaid here. That's the only player that I can see helping TOR.
Skjei... sure it makes sense, both short and long term, but that's not enough for Nylander. The Rangers have to ask themselves if you want to bankrupt Peter to pay Paul, because if Peter's your defense corp, you won't have anything left if you move Sjkei.
IMO Skjei is not a No.1 D. But he can play on the top pair with his skillset. You pair him with a real-deal RHD, then that's a formidable unit.
Also, the Rangers will not have the option of adding defensemen into their line-up without living with rookie mistakes. You can't have 3 of those guys playing in your top 6. It never works out well. 1 Yes, and you should annually. 2, if they are good, yeah. 3. There is no insulation.
What they need and I'm sure they will trade for a couple of these pieces, are guys that can reliable shutdown a top line. I think they will find that player as a rental, and as a depth piece for their PK but not 5v5.
I'm talking about a McQuaid here. That's the only player that I can see helping TOR.
Skjei... sure it makes sense, both short and long term, but that's not enough for Nylander. The Rangers have to ask themselves if you want to bankrupt Peter to pay Paul, because if Peter's your defense corp, you won't have anything left if you move Sjkei.
IMO Skjei is not a No.1 D. But he can play on the top pair with his skillset. You pair him with a real-deal RHD, then that's a formidable unit.
Also, the Rangers will not have the option of adding defensemen into their line-up without living with rookie mistakes. You can't have 3 of those guys playing in your top 6. It never works out well. 1 Yes, and you should annually. 2, if they are good, yeah. 3. There is no insulation.
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Because he probably doesn't get a better shot at a cup and the Rangers can threaten to trade him to any of the 20 teams that aren't on his list if he doesn't comply. I don't think he'd turn down a trade to Toronto over tax issues considering the position that team is currently in.
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I've never understood this sentiment. If an Eastern conference team offers the best package, you take it.
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