Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

[TheBloodyNine]

But why wouldnt carolina just trade Pesce for Nylander then?

Can they sign him? Probably not.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Can they sign him? Probably not.

They have 15 million in cap space

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They have 15 million in cap space

That's not what I'm talking about. Is he going to sign in Carolina? Chances are no. They are also a budget team.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

That's not what I'm talking about. Is he going to sign in Carolina? Chances are no. They are also a budget team.

Well if they trade for him and give him what hes asking for whats he gonna do say no. Hes an rfa not like he has many other options

 

[offdacrossbar]

get me nylander and the rebuild just took a leap forward. this kid is a legit righty playmaking pivot.

how would shatty look in a leaf uni ? shatty and zucc ?? wow, the leafs would look pretty strong.

i would do skjei in a heartbeat to add willy nylander to this roster. skjei and zucc. done.

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yes pls.

i would think something like skjei and pionk perhaps even ?

 

[offdacrossbar]

if nylander is there come dec you have to make the deal.

if it takes skjei, then you do it. the leafs have come big contracts coming up, make it work.

skjei and zucc is a solid offer. not sure why the leafs would want a pick, they are cup contenders and could be favorites with an improved blue line. pick doesn't help. they have 3 years to make a move.

if they want skjei, do it. adding nylander would be a huge get for the rebuild. enormous.

defensively, we would be taking a step back but we have picks and kids to develop. nylander has the makings of a true 1C.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well if they trade for him and give him what hes asking for whats he gonna do say no. Hes an rfa not like he has many other options

Teams interested in trading for him are gonna see if he's be interested in signing there. Carolina isn't going to trade for him if they know he doesn't want to be there. He could say no like he's saying no now and go play in Europe if he wanted.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

if nylander is there come dec you have to make the deal.

if it takes skjei, then you do it. the leafs have come big contracts coming up, make it work.

skjei and zucc is a solid offer. not sure why the leafs would want a pick, they are cup contenders and could be favorites with an improved blue line. pick doesn't help. they have 3 years to make a move.

if they want skjei, do it. adding nylander would be a huge get for the rebuild. enormous.

defensively, we would be taking a step back but we have picks and kids to develop. nylander has the makings of a true 1C.

If Nylander is still there by Dec, he’s ineligible to play this season, no?

And I think Friedman was saying swim thing about getting a bridge deal done with Nylander on HNIC, I missed the beginning of it so I’m not sure if he said they’re negotiating that now or just talking about what that would look like

 

[FireGerardGallant]

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Teams interested in trading for him are gonna see if he's be interested in signing there. Carolina isn't going to trade for him if they know he doesn't want to be there. He could say no like he's saying no now and go play in Europe if he wanted.

If team location/team situation was what he cared most about he would already be under contract with the Leafs. At the end of the day getting the money he thinks he deserves is what matters to him the most and if Carolina offers him the 7.5-8 he is looking for he will gladly sign that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

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If team location/team situation was what he cared most about he would already be under contract with the Leafs. At the end of the day getting the money he thinks he deserves is what matters to him the most and if Carolina offers him the 7.5-8 he is looking for he will gladly sign that.

It's not what he cares about now because he's with the leafs, but trade him to a place he doesn't want to be and then he 100% is more than about just money.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

It's not what he cares about now because he's with the leafs, but trade him to a place he doesn't want to be and then he 100% is more than about just money.

So whats he gonna do never play another game in the Nhl?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

So whats he gonna do never play another game in the Nhl?

Don't think that's really a question worth asking because a team that trades for him is going to know ahead of time whether or not he'd be willing to sign there.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Don't think that's really a question worth asking because a team that trades for him is going to know ahead of time whether or not he'd be willing to sign there.

But then why would Carolina trade Pesce for Hayes if Pesce is worth something to the Caliber of Nylander? This whole hypothetical situation makes no sense for Carolina

 

[TheBloodyNine]

But then why would Carolina trade Pesce for Hayes if Pesce is worth something to the Caliber of Nylander? This whole hypothetical situation makes no sense for Carolina

Because they don't need to sign him now? He comes with a contract. A short one, but he comes signed for the rest of the season. He's also a center, which they need.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Any deal for Nylander starts with Skjei

Which I wouldn't be opposed to, but the defense would be absolutely brutal

I think Zucc + Smith + ? would also work Smith can play RD and has played for Babcock for many years.

 

[Matt4776]

I think Zucc + Smith + ? would also work Smith can play RD and has played for Babcock for many years.

We are not getting value for Smith. Even if we retain.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Skjei is the definition of a dime-a-dozen player. If he's the main piece for Nylander, you do that in a heartbeat.

The defense can't get any worse anyway.

not that he is a dime a dozen, but his first season's 39 points was a fluke, and he is often looking bad or average, don't think he earned his contract or will ever earn it. The other issue is we have so many good young LD waiting to be called up.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

We are not getting value for Smith. Even if we retain.

He is playing very good this season and Babcock likes him.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Because they don't need to sign him now? He comes with a contract. A short one, but he comes signed for the rest of the season. He's also a center, which they need.

So theyre gonna trade a really good young dman on an extremly friendy contract for a center with one year left on his deal and then that same great young d gets traded for a younger and much better player then the guy they just traded for? I don't know what crazy fantasy world you live in but have fun.

 

[RangerBoy]

Dubas isn't trading Nylander now. It's his first contract dispute as GM. Dubas needs to show he is tough. Nylander needs to sign a short term contract and report to the Leafs. Both sides can't agree on what is fair value on a bridge contract. It looks like Matthews may not want to sign the max contract in Toronto. Kypreos keeps speculating about Matthews wanting too much for 8 years and a 5 year deal would be the better option for him. Matthews would go home to Arizona after those five years are up. Tavares wanted to go home.

Everyone says I am too negative about the Rangers. I thought the Rangers would be bad but they are worse than I thought. The Rangers and Red Wings are the worse teams in the NHL. Buffalo, Ottawa and Montreal are much better than last season so far. Vancouver too. Arizona can't score. I have seen every team at least twice and our Rangers are putrid. They are so bad. Those other teams besides the Rangers and Wings have a pulse.

The thing about the Rangers is their best schedule isn't very hard for the first two plus months and it's becomes tough right before Christmas and stays that way until April. The Rangers are already 0-3 against non-playoff teams from last season. People say the Rangers are playing many soft teams in the first couple of teams. Other teams view the Rangers in the same manner.

This Kevin Hayes has one assist in the first five games. Quinn keeps putting him put there. Management should send Chytil to the AHL so he can play 20 minutes every night. The Rangers don't have a spot for Chytil. Quinn might put him on the wing. Why bother? The Rangers are a "rebuilding" team and they don't have roster spots for their top two players. Gorton said the Rangers will see where Andersson is at in a month or so after he was sent down. Leave him there.

Quinn is playing Hayes and Zuccarello is every situation. Zuccarello has 3 assists in 5 games. He wasn't the fastest skater to begin with and he looks a little slower this season. It seems like Quinn is trying to get them both going to raise their trade value. The Rangers used 4 forwards on the PK yesterday. Hayes and Zuccarello were two of those forwards.

The Rangers have scored 12 goals in 5 games. 1 PP goal. Their PP was rolling in preseason.

 

[haohmaru]

Dubas isn't trading Nylander now. It's his first contract dispute as GM. Dubas needs to show he is tough. Nylander needs to sign a short term contract and report to the Leafs. Both sides can't agree on what is fair value on a bridge contract. It looks like Matthews may not want to sign the max contract in Toronto. Kypreos keeps speculating about Matthews wanting too much for 8 years and a 5 year deal would be the better option for him. Matthews would go home to Arizona after those five years are up. Tavares wanted to go home.

Everyone says I am too negative about the Rangers. I thought the Rangers would be bad but they are worse than I thought. The Rangers and Red Wings are the worse teams in the NHL. Buffalo, Ottawa and Montreal are much better than last season so far. Vancouver too. Arizona can't score. I have seen every team at least twice and our Rangers are putrid. They are so bad. Those other teams besides the Rangers and Wings have a pulse.

The thing about the Rangers is their best schedule isn't very hard for the first two plus months and it's becomes tough right before Christmas and stays that way until April. The Rangers are already 0-3 against non-playoff teams from last season. People say the Rangers are playing many soft teams in the first couple of teams. Other teams view the Rangers in the same manner.

This Kevin Hayes has one assist in the first five games. Quinn keeps putting him put there. Management should send Chytil to the AHL so he can play 20 minutes every night. The Rangers don't have a spot for Chytil. Quinn might put him on the wing. Why bother? The Rangers are a "rebuilding" team and they don't have roster spots for their top two players. Gorton said the Rangers will see where Andersson is at in a month or so after he was sent down. Leave him there.

Quinn is playing Hayes and Zuccarello is every situation. Zuccarello has 3 assists in 5 games. He wasn't the fastest skater to begin with and he looks a little slower this season. It seems like Quinn is trying to get them both going to raise their trade value. The Rangers used 4 forwards on the PK yesterday. Hayes and Zuccarello were two of those forwards.

The Rangers have scored 12 goals in 5 games. 1 PP goal. Their PP was rolling in preseason.

I'm going to reserve judgment until I have more of a sample size, but let's remember this 1-4 team essentially has three one goal losses (two empty net goals at the end) and a two goal loss. They aren't getting blown out in the scores like Detroit (8-2 last night).

I'm going to give the coach, and the team, more than 5 games in before dumping on them. They are learning new systems, new coaches, a lot of young players, etc..

Hayes, though, isn't doing his new contract any favors so far. The Rangers look smart for signing him to a one year deal.

 

[Webster]

Sounds like we can forget about Nylander, for now.

But this is interesting. Nylander refuses to accept what the Leafs want to give him, but he has to sign a contract before Dec.1 or he won't be allowed to play. This could force the Leafs to trade him?

The Rangers have the cap space to sign Nylander, and the Leafs are looking for a RW with playoff experience. That's why the rumor from Swedish media actually makes sense, Nylander for Zuccarello...

William Nylander has not asked for trade; Maple Leafs not shopping him - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Ola]

Looking at situations like the one Nyls is in -- or much much worse -- its still really rare that the player actually ends up getting traded. And if it happens its often after several years.

Toronto has a really deep and strong front-office. They plan for several years ahead with a clear aim to be a contender and will operate within those boundaries. They have a pain limit in relation to William Nylander, they will not write him a blank check.

On one side, Nylander's stats are boosted from playing in a high scoring environment around Matthews. On the other side, which player's stats -- that are good -- aren't boosted by the environment? Maybe McDavid's... 6m per on a long-term deal is a lowball from Toronto in a sense. How high are they prepared to go? How highly do they think of William? Nyls isn't the most physical player and Babs have several times questioned his consistentcy. William is OTOH in tremendous shape, tremendously commited.

If -- and I really doubt it is the case -- Toronto doesn't believe that Nyls will sign within what they think is acceptable I do think they could end up making a call to trade him. It wouldn't be Dubas decision alone.

 

[Ola]

When we had a strong team it felt like maybe 1/3 of the players had good seasons (in relation to what could be expected), 1/3 had average years, 1/3 had a bit sub-par years.

When rebuilding it seems like its clear that maybe 1/10s will have good years (like Howden and Fast? Hank?), 4/10s will have a bit sub-par years and 5/10s will have nightmare seasons behind them when everything is said and done.

Its very obvious just how horrible it is to develop kids on rebuilding teams. Chytil is certainly not in a good spot. Pionk and TDA are just put in such a tough situation with little support and structure when they play.

For a young team staying motivated early is the easy part. Its hard when you are 20 pts out in January and the body hurts and everyone craps on you. The worst is most certainly yet to come, even if the team itself can become more solid in near time.

How will a Chytil be affected if he plays 1, 2 or even 3 more full NHL seasons under these conditions? I think Chytil has potential to become a really good NHLer. If we had a good team I think he would have started to show it sooner rather than later this year and played really consistent and solid hockey. He has it in him. Same for Pionk and TDA. Now? Who knows. But looking at how kids have developed in other places under similar situations the prognostic isn't super positive...

I don't want to see any more kids rushed to NY under this rebuild and these conditions.

I think we have to start applying an expectations factor where if we bring in a prospect to NY with potential to become a Grade A player, the out-put will be a Grade C+ player, if we bring in a prospect to NY with a potential to become a Grade B player, the out-put will be a Grade D+ player -- and so forth.

The only way to ever get out of that is by bringing in players that does not have high potential, but is high grade players already. Preferably of course kids like FOA picks.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I’m sure the NYR planning to trade Hayes and Zucc is a factor in Quinn’s usage...