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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XI

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I think I am done watching this team for now, all the excitement I had in these players, coach, new system have all evaporated.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Skjei and Zucc for Nylander would be a win for the Rangers.
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In a vacuum, it would be.

The unfortunate side effect of making that deal would be that Lundqvist might actually go postal on the ice because of the terrible defense and high volume of shots against.
 
I Eat Crow said:
In a vacuum, it would be.

The unfortunate side effect of making that deal would be that Lundqvist might actually go postal on the ice because of the terrible defense and high volume of shots against.
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So, you're saying we would have a way to get rid of Staal?
 
Drew4u said:
Pesce, Parayko, Dumba, Manson
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Parayko and Dumba I don't think would be available.

I don't think Manson is better all around player than Skjei. Defensively? Yes. But all around? I take Skjei.

I can see the argument with Carolina and Pesce. Carolina is full to the brim with wingers. They need help up the middle and in goal. I'm not sure Nylander would be a Carolina target.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Parayko and Dumba I don't think would be available.

I don't think Manson is better all around player than Skjei. Defensively? Yes. But all around? I take Skjei.

I can see the argument with Carolina and Pesce. Carolina is full to the brim with wingers. They need help up the middle and in goal. I'm not sure Nylander would be a Carolina target.
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All this and the fact that all 4 are RHD and TML are after a LHD.
 
Go Away Staal said:
I doubt any of those guys are available
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I think for a forward that Pesce and Manson would be available. Anaheim knows their window is closing and they need forward depth to make another run this year.

Thinking outside the box, Carolina may entertain a Pesce for Hayes swap if Hayes signs an extension. Carolina desperately need centers. They have Aho (who's a natural winger) as their 1C. Necas is still a baby, Staal is playing wing for them for whatever reason, and Rask is injured as of now. Necas, Staal, Rask, and Hayes is a pretty potent group of centers.
 
Trxjw said:
You're assuming there were good offers for either player. Rentals always fetch higher returns at the deadline.
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Should we not trade either player and keep two win-now players for a rebuilding team until their contracts expire and we don't extend them?

Gorton took a risk, and early on its looking like a bad risk. Its way too early to know for sure if it'll look like a good or bad risk, but I would've traded Zuccarello at the last deadline because I struggle to think that the return would've been worse then than at the upcoming deadline, regardless of if there was a good market then compared to the upcoming deadline. We don't have any extra need for Zuccarello to play an extra 82 games for the Rangers.

With Hayes, I would've traded him during the summer after they couldn't come to terms on a long-term deal. I think thats a harder trade to make compared to Zucc at the previous trade deadline. You also had before the draft to trade Zucc, but I still think you probably would've gotten a better return for Hayes in the summer than you will get at the upcoming deadline, regardless of the difference in the market during the summer compared to the deadline.
 
I would do:
Shatty, 3 years at 3.3m per
Skjei
Zucc

For

Nylander
Gardiner
Levio
TOR's 1st in 19'
 
Drew4u said:
And about Skjei why is he making 5.2 million???
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Because this team traded away McDonagh, and now they have no one to defend on the left side for the next couple of years. Maybe longer. Skjei's 5.25 isn't even close to one of the team's biggest problems, but it is a fair question if he's worth 5.25, if the Rangers are utilizing him properly or if he's better utilized in a trade.

We are rebuilding. Gut the roster for all I care. We aren't close to contending. If we need to get rid of another win-now player to make the team better in the long-term, do it. As far as I'm concerned, the only off-limit player should be Shestyorkin. He's the only player in the org. that I think you look around the league and compare him to other team's prospects and he grades out as one of the best in the league. You could do the same with our NHL players, and I don't think any of them would even come close to that. Thats how I'm measuring who should be off-limits. The rest are reasonably replaceable, as long as you get good assets back in return. Shestyorkin would be hard to replace.

The rest should be available in trade discussions. I wouldn't be trying to give away Skjei, Buch, Chytil, Kravtsov, etc, but they should all be available for the right deal.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Should we not trade either player and keep two win-now players for a rebuilding team until their contracts expire and we don't extend them?

Gorton took a risk, and early on its looking like a bad risk. Its way too early to know for sure if it'll look like a good or bad risk, but I would've traded Zuccarello at the last deadline because I struggle to think that the return would've been worse then than at the upcoming deadline, regardless of if there was a good market then compared to the upcoming deadline. We don't have any extra need for Zuccarello to play an extra 82 games for the Rangers.

With Hayes, I would've traded him during the summer after they couldn't come to terms on a long-term deal. I think thats a harder trade to make compared to Zucc at the previous trade deadline. You also had before the draft to trade Zucc, but I still think you probably would've gotten a better return for Hayes in the summer than you will get at the upcoming deadline, regardless of the difference in the market during the summer compared to the deadline.
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There were rumors that he tried trading Zucc at the deadline, but a deal could not be completed because McDonagh negotiations went to the deadline. IIRC, one of the vetted posters here mentioned that Calgary was interested in Zucc, and we were gunning for Adam Fox or Rasmus Andersson.

Neither players are "win-now" players when they're heading towards UFA. Neither are good enough to carry the team by themselves. I think it's folly to expect Gorton to just keep these players and let them walk, and we all know it's not happening, so why even mention it?
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Should we not trade either player and keep two win-now players for a rebuilding team until their contracts expire and we don't extend them?

Gorton took a risk, and early on its looking like a bad risk. Its way too early to know for sure if it'll look like a good or bad risk, but I would've traded Zuccarello at the last deadline because I struggle to think that the return would've been worse then than at the upcoming deadline, regardless of if there was a good market then compared to the upcoming deadline. We don't have any extra need for Zuccarello to play an extra 82 games for the Rangers.

With Hayes, I would've traded him during the summer after they couldn't come to terms on a long-term deal. I think thats a harder trade to make compared to Zucc at the previous trade deadline. You also had before the draft to trade Zucc, but I still think you probably would've gotten a better return for Hayes in the summer than you will get at the upcoming deadline, regardless of the difference in the market during the summer compared to the deadline.
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I never said they shouldn't trade them. Where are you getting that?

What risk did Gorton take? There were rumors floating around at the deadline that had Gorton not been so tied up with the McDonagh trade that Zucc would have been gone as well. Sometimes you just can't facilitate that many major deals at the same time. Yzerman kept dragging his feet and Gorton was holding out for the prospects he wanted. That's the way it goes sometimes.

This reads like the weeks leading up to the deadline where everyone was insisting that Gorton should wait until the draft to deal McDonagh if he couldn't get the players this board felt we absolutely had to get. Most people were convinced that the returns would be even better with more teams involved. How did that work out for Ottawa?

Teams historically pay more for players at the deadline. Why? The allure of a cup, the pressure of moves by other GM's, and there's no risk of inadvertently giving up a 1st round pick that ends up being a lottery pick because of a bad season. The Rangers want more high picks and young prospects. If teams weren't giving them up at the draft or over the summer, then they should absolutely hold out until the deadline.

I fully believe that if the right deal to improve the future of the team was available for Zucc or Hayes, they would've been dealt already. They still could move well ahead of the deadline, but I doubt they will.
 
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