Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Pawnee Rangers]

I would seriously consider trying Miller at forward.

 

[McRanger92]

I would seriously consider trying Miller at forward.

If that's where we are at just trade him while he has value.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I would seriously consider trying Miller at forward.

It took them 4 years to try a LW at RW you think they're gonna think this far outside the box?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If that's where we are at just trade him while he has value.

Probably get a pretty decent haul for him. I don't know what kind of defenseman he is. He's got good reach and is a great skater but that's about it. He's not really mean or physical, he's not piling up points, he's just there. I would have hoped he'd have more of an identity by now.

It took them 4 years to try a LW at RW you think they're gonna think this far outside the box?

Touche.

 

[haohmaru]

Your statement is a canard.
While there is a subjective opinion as to Rempe, there is underlying OBJECTIVE FACTUAL basis to declare, knowledgably, that reality supports that opinion.
Specifically,
1) visual breakdown provided by Messier in support of his presentation
and
2) FACT Rempe played like just over 20 games and Rs won all but 2 or 3 of them,

Those ARE FACTS.
It is YOU, attempting to misrepresent that in a woeful attempt to discredit me.

Bend buckle and break in capitulation to the reality you are wrong here, you've lost this one.

The fact is you cannot support your position because there is zero data out there. They won 18 of 20 with him playing < 6 minutes a night. There is nothing beyond that. You can speculate all you like but there is absolutely nothing factual about your Rempe position. There can’t be because he’s never played meaningful minutes - particularly in the 3rd and I don’t give a rat’s ass about Messier’s video presentation. He’s done nothing on a professional coaching level anywhere.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Probably get a pretty decent haul for him. I don't know what kind of defenseman he is. He's got good reach and is a great skater but that's about it. He's not really mean or physical, he's not piling up points, he's just there. I would have hoped he'd have more of an identity by now.


Touche.

There have been games where he was physical, and those are always his best games.

You don’t have to be physical to be a good defenseman. He’s got a ton of the right tools, but he’s still not a finished product, some of his reads are very clearly where he has to think about his next action.
He recovers due to talent, but he’s not instinctual on what to do and it shows.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bern literally used the word canard and thats not the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this thread today.

 

[NYR Viper]

Probably get a pretty decent haul for him. I don't know what kind of defenseman he is. He's got good reach and is a great skater but that's about it. He's not really mean or physical, he's not piling up points, he's just there. I would have hoped he'd have more of an identity by now.


Touche.

The way he should be played is to let him freelance. It's going to create chances against at times but he is also going to squash quite a few plays and rushes by using his speed. Brent Burns has played that exact style for 15 years and it's effective. Pressure the puck and use your size and skating

 

[bhamill]

Rick Nash was excellent for us and we haven't really had skill players who play the right way since that team.

His totals were underwhelming in the playoffs, but I would take that over Zibanejad's empty calories PPG. Nash never lost a puck battle in his life.

This team needs to stop binning skill and grit. That's been a culture ever since Gorton took over. Our skill players don't have the right elements to their game and our grit players are useless at offense.

Well I think that last part is changing. Trocheck, Laf, Cutlle (hopefully) and some kids on the way like Sykora, Bernard and Othman, etc. And Kreider of course, depending on his mood.

 

[bhamill]

The Rangers not even having a defenseman capable of QBing the 2nd PP is a travesty. Fox for the full 2 minutes or an outside hire are the only reasonable solutions.



I think you take that deal and run. An RFA who has underwhelmed, the 30th overall pick and an undersized offensive defenseman is like HFBoards meme trade package. "Who will give us a difference making player for our crap?"

Sorry but not giving up much for one year guaranteed of a guy whose typical games played for a season is 50 games. I’ll roll the dice with what we have first.
Kakko going for a rental, and a fragile one at that, WITH a first and a prospect? Really bad asset management IMO.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

There have been games where he was physical, and those are always his best games.

You don’t have to be physical to be a good defenseman. He’s got a ton of the right tools, but he’s still not a finished product, some of his reads are very clearly where he has to think about his next action.
He recovers due to talent, but he’s not instinctual on what to do and it shows.

You don't. But you should be good at something other than making up for your own mistakes. I think you hit the nail on the head, no instincts. I just look at him and wonder what kind of a defenseman is he? He started playing as a forward and didn't move to D until a few years before college, maybe he's got better instincts on the wing.

 

[Machinehead]

Well I think that last part is changing. Trocheck, Laf, Cutlle (hopefully) and some kids on the way like Sykora, Bernard and Othman, etc. And Kreider of course, depending on his mood.

Cuylle, I'm not sure about.

I feel like he hits just to hit and doesn't really get anything going.

I hope we can teach him out of that somehow.

 

[Fitzy]

Cuylle, I'm not sure about.

I feel like he hits just to hit and doesn't really get anything going.

I hope we can teach him out of that somehow.

Cuylle was a fourth liner this season overused out of necessity.

Next season if we have the depth, Vesey should be the 13th forward and Cuylle on the 4th. He can work his way up the lineup like Anisimov and Fast did, over time

 

[n8]

It took them 4 years to try a LW at RW you think they're gonna think this far outside the box?

I get you. Miller did start out as a forward pre-NTDP so it's only a little outside the box.

K'Andre Miller's unique path to becoming a top Rangers blue-line prospect

After sacrifices from his mother, a difficult position change and college hockey growing pains, Miller is now a big part of New York's future on defense.

www.espn.com

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Has anyone in the playoffs cooked the Panthers as much as Lafreniere did?

 

[Fitzy]

I would seriously consider trying Miller at forward.

He just needs to be a free roamer. Stop having him pass the puck. He’s awful at it.

Play him with Fox and tell Fox he’s got to be the 5th man into the offensive zone always. Most of Fox’s offense comes from extended zone possessions so that shouldn’t be a huge issue. Let miller carry the puck and join the rush.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You don't. But you should be good at something other than making up for your own mistakes. I think you hit the nail on the head, no instincts. I just look at him and wonder what kind of a defenseman is he? He started playing as a forward and didn't move to D until a few years before college, maybe he's got better instincts on the wing.

Except his tools aren’t fit for a winger.
He’s a good skater, but not a smooth consistent puck handler.
He’s got a hard shot but not a great release.
He’s big, but he doesn’t have the kind of hands to work inside.

There’s a reason he was moved to defense, and it was to make the most of the tools he has.
He needs to work on his outlet passes, and more on the mental game. He’s got the tools and he’s got a good sense for the game, but he needs to process his next step faster when he’s not just chasing, and unfortunately that’s just gonna take time, because he’s essentially starting 10 years behind most D in the NHL.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

He just needs to be a free roamer. Stop having him pass the puck. He’s awful at it.

Play him with Fox and tell Fox he’s got to be the 5th man into the offensive zone always. Most of Fox’s offense comes from extended zone possessions so that shouldn’t be a huge issue. Let miller carry the puck and join the rush.

My fear is, he's just not a good defenseman. Bad reads, flat footed, horrible plays along the boards, he just looked out of it in the Florida series. We're all enamored with his size and skating I just don't think there's much else there. Those things could be limited on the wing.

Cuylle was a fourth liner this season overused out of necessity.

Next season if we have the depth, Vesey should be the 13th forward and Cuylle on the 4th. He can work his way up the lineup like Anisimov and Fast did, over time

Cuylle looked worse on the 4th line than he did on the 3rd. He was barely noticeable when Lav made the switch.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Except his tools aren’t fit for a winger.
He’s a good skater, but not a smooth consistent puck handler.
He’s got a hard shot but not a great release.
He’s big, but he doesn’t have the kind of hands to work inside.

There’s a reason he was moved to defense, and it was to make the most of the tools he has.
He needs to work on his outlet passes, and more on the mental game. He’s got the tools and he’s got a good sense for the game, but he needs to process his next step faster when he’s not just chasing, and unfortunately that’s just gonna take time, because he’s essentially starting 10 years behind most D in the NHL.

I disagree. Big, fast, good shot, and has some offensive instincts. Would be perfect as the third man high and wouldn't be a complete mess along the boards because he could always cycle the puck back down low.

 

[Fitzy]

My fear is, he's just not a good defenseman. Bad reads, flat footed, horrible plays along the boards, he just looked out of it in the Florida series. We're all enamored with his size and skating I just don't think there's much else there. Those things could be limited on the wing.


Cuylle looked worse on the 4th line than he did on the 3rd. He was barely noticeable when Lav made the switch.

I don’t think Miller has the hands to be effective as a forward.

Byfuglien is a lazy comparison but he wasn’t a good defenseman and he was one of the more unique weapons in the league for a while.

For Cuylle- he’s a rookie playing with new guys. He had a stretch midseason where he did well after Bonino was replaced but Cuylle-Bonino-Kakko was basically a second fourth line

 

[Machinehead]

I would seriously consider trying Miller at forward.

I'm constantly baffled that he ever was a forward.

His biggest problem is that a light breeze could tie up his stick.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I disagree. Big, fast, good shot, and has some offensive instincts. Would be perfect as the third man high and wouldn't be a complete mess along the boards because he could always cycle the puck back down low.

Good shot for a defenseman is not a good shot for a forward.
His release takes way too long.
Forwards need to get shots off much quicker compared to a defenseman.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Good shot for a defenseman is not a good shot for a forward.
His release takes way too long.
Forwards need to get shots off much quicker compared to a defenseman.

You can work on your release, this have skills coaches for stuff like this. Anyway, it's never gonna happen. Was just a little thought exercise considering they need help on the wing and D and he used to be a forward. I hope I'm wrong about him but he really seemed to regress this season, at least to me.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Son of a bitch!

Larry indiscreetly talking about @SnowblindNYR

...but f*** Trouba. I think Larry would agree on that one.

Hey I only hate Igor! J/k

 

[aufheben]

The Rangers not even having a defenseman capable of QBing the 2nd PP is a travesty. Fox for the full 2 minutes or an outside hire are the only reasonable solutions.



I think you take that deal and run. An RFA who has underwhelmed, the 30th overall pick and an undersized offensive defenseman is like HFBoards meme trade package. "Who will give us a difference making player for our crap?"

Who cares about PP2. They should give PP1 the full two minutes.