Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[80shockeywasbuns]

His hits don't result in anything positive and I'm not sure I have ever seen him pass the puck.


Nikita Kucherov, David Pastrnak, Mika Zibanejad, Artemi Panarin, Connor McDavid, and Leon Drasital have combined for 0 5v5 goals in 19 games against the Panthers.

Really tried to slip Mika in there like he didn’t go 30 games this year without one

 

[haohmaru]

Really tried to slip Mika in there like he didn’t go 30 games this year without one

Mika really isn't his point. It's Florida's effectiveness 5v5 vs. some of the league's best players in these playoffs.

 

[bernmeister]

You're assigning the reason for wins to a guy who played 5 minutes a game and scored 2 points in 17 regular-season games. That is so absurd that it's difficult for me to believe that anyone truly believes it.

Your reply does not speak to the points I established in my reply to your post.
It deflects the discussion, which is fine to bring up 'in addition to' but ignoring what I said b'c there is no comeback is not cool, and while I expect that of others, it is beneath you, a poster I have regard for.

To address your pt above -- the quantity of his contribution with heavy emphasis on scoring -- I am forced by you to say this is borderline disingenuous. Not nec false, but dis.

Clearly and obviously, Rempe's immediate contributions are physical, and all that comes with that -- chiefly board work which helps with our possession, something not to be overlooked, but also clearing the crease, and helping interrupt opposing netminder's line of sight.

These are not gonna show up so much in the stats, but they are positive, and actually real.

If Rem, instead of a physical game, had Bobby Orr speed/skating contributions, would your position be the same? As and for a parallel, degree of Rempe physical adds is obv not same level of Leetch skating, let alone Orr, but while there is a measure as to degree, what Rempe has done remains signif, not insignif

And again, like 20+ games they win w/him and only like 3 w'o.

Logic hard to refute says add more Rempe, not less

We don't have the draft picks to offer sheet anyone unless we go into the 4 1st round pick territory (~11.5 mil).

correctimundo

And even if you say ok, worth it,
why would LA not match and trade elsewhere for value >> 4 late 1sts?

 

[bernmeister]

He going to get his qualifying offer. The cap is going up. He's getting his qo value even if it's not here. The issue w Lindgren is mainly trouba. People look at trouba and see a player that is limited puck wise and offensively. I think a lot know that trouba being moved is not likely so everything turns to Lindgren who is also limited puck wise and offensively. I think Lindgren is a 2nd pair d man and we get frustrated with him bc here he needs to be a top pair guy. To answer your question it depends where he signs and for how long. I could see a team singing for for 5 years at 4m per. I don't know if that team is nyr though.

I would love to know if people would rather have trouba at his current 8m per or Lindgren at 4m per. I think people also need to remember that with the cap there is no repayment now, the cap is going to balloon over the next few years so something that looks like a questionable value this summer will look like a bargain in 2 or 3 years.

If gun to my head, MUST take one, then Trouba

But both have to go asap
Lindy = Girardi emerging, thanks for everything, but we cannot hold roster spot [+ cap] for a guy who has this much wear and tear.
Send to UT w/small + as nec + get back 2 2nds

Trouba want to repurpose his cap next 2 seasons.
He plays thru pain, granted, but broken leg/ankle/whatev = mobility issues. Better to cut cord now and salvage what little we can w/cap relief.
Add 3rd this yr and get 2 2nds for his last 2 yrs.
Send wherev he is comfy to acknowledge/show apprec for his effort
Likely a club that needs clear the crease presence enuf to pony up

 

[bernmeister]

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[RangersFan1994]

fyi everyone

Rangers could land 6-foot-7 power forward prospect in NHL Draft

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Should the Rangers move up to draft this kid? I think he can be worth the risk especially if he gets some chemistry with Perreault

 

[Machinehead]

Mika really isn't his point. It's Florida's effectiveness 5v5 vs. some of the league's best players in these playoffs.

Yeah but a mop would be effective against Zibanejad at 5v5. Both of those things can be true.

 

[Machinehead]

Clearly and obviously, Rempe's immediate contributions are physical, and all that comes with that -- chiefly board work which helps with our possession, something not to be overlooked, but also clearing the crease, and helping interrupt opposing netminder's line of sight.

Helping possession absolutely can be measured and it's not something he particularly does.

He's not bad in his short sample here but he's replacement level. If he's a replacement-level guy who can hit and fight...ok, sure. Most 4th liners are bad.

To say he's driving wins is almost objectively wrong.

 

[McRanger92]

Helping possession absolutely can be measured and it's not something he particularly does.

He's not bad in his short sample here but he's replacement level. If he's a replacement-level guy who can hit and fight...ok, sure. Most 4th liners are bad.

To say he's driving wins is almost objectively wrong.

Can we live in a world where 21 year old Rempe is seen as a future effective bottom 6 player, instead of the chosen one who will deliver us from evil? It's really not fair to him

 

[NYR Viper]

Can we live in a world where 21 year old Rempe is seen as a future effective bottom 6 player, instead of the chosen one who will deliver us from evil? It's really not fair to him

This is the way I see him. He has tools that should make him an effective 4th line player and I said this last year. The points and goals he scores, while not many, are the same style that translate to the NHL. Being bigger and stronger than your competition and muscling your way to the front of the net is available, almost moreso, at the NHL level.

The fact that he played ANY games at 21 years old is impressive.

 

[McRanger92]

This is the way I see him. He has tools that should make him an effective 4th line player and I said this last year. The points and goals he scores, while not many, are the same style that translate to the NHL. Being bigger and stronger than your competition and muscling your way to the front of the net is available, almost moreso, at the NHL level.

The fact that he played ANY games at 21 years old is impressive.

Spot on. We are all die hards here and I don't think anyone had him on their list of players who would see action this year. It's a homerun that he even made the NHL given his draft profile, let alone contributed to winning right off the bat.

The goal for Drury and the coaches should be getting the Edstrom-Goodrow-Rempe 4th line to a point next year where they can all play 10+ minutes. Because its a matchup that nightmare that no team has an answer for.

 

[Machinehead]

Can we live in a world where 21 year old Rempe is seen as a future effective bottom 6 player, instead of the chosen one who will deliver us from evil? It's really not fair to him

Being basically replacement at 21 is better than most 4th liners are, ever.

 

[LOFIN]

This is the way I see him. He has tools that should make him an effective 4th line player and I said this last year. The points and goals he scores, while not many, are the same style that translate to the NHL. Being bigger and stronger than your competition and muscling your way to the front of the net is available, almost moreso, at the NHL level.

I don't really give a f*** if he never scores an NHL point again, as long as he keeps skating and hitting the way he does. We'll see how his skating holds up when he probably gets even bigger.

 

[GAGLine]

Should the Rangers move up to draft this kid?

No. If he's there at 30 and we pick him, fine, but we don't have the assets to waste on trading up. If anything, we should be trading down.

 

[NYR Viper]

Spot on. We are all die hards here and I don't think anyone had him on their list of players who would see action this year. It's a homerun that he even made the NHL given his draft profile, let alone contributed to winning right off the bat.

The goal for Drury and the coaches should be getting the Edstrom-Goodrow-Rempe 4th line to a point next year where they can all play 10+ minutes. Because its a matchup that nightmare that no team has an answer for.

I REALLY hope Goodrow is moved. Not because I dislike him, but because his cap hit on a 4th line is just obscene. And honestly, if he went back to his old role, playing ~14 minutes a night, he would likely get back to his ~30 points per season which isn't horrendous on a rebuilding team looking for veteran leadership.

He's also the type of guy who, in the final year of his deal or perhaps with (2) years left, teams would covet adding to their bottom-6. If I was Chicago or SJ, I would acquire Goodrow for late or middle round picks while offloading a contract I'm not enamored with with 1 year left, play him ~14-15 minutes a night this year and then look to trade him with some $$ retained to some contender for a high pick. There were rumors this year that Nic Dowd of all people was close to returning a 1st. NIC DOWD!!!! What would a team pay for Goodrow for 2 years @, say $1.8m per season?

 

[Machinehead]

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[Machinehead]

Dakota Joshua is really good

 

[LOFIN]

Dakota Joshua is really good

For what role though? Are we moving Chytil (to the wing)?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People use regressed to suggest someone sucked, I'm not saying he sucked or took a big step back. Fox is an established top d in the league. I just don't think his complete game was as good this year from watching him. His points were there for sure though. People can excel in certain points of their game and not be as good in other parts, we see it all the time. I think I just have a higher level that I would love to see fox get to in his computer game. Everyone (rightfully) is giving laffy praises for putting in the work to improve his skating and conditioning which led to massive improvements in his game, but for some reason fox always gets a pass on these things and the lack of improvement in these areas. I'm not hating on him, I just see a player with such incredible IQ and such poor physical tools that I can only imagine if his physical tools were developed more how much better he could be in an all around game. I'm sorry if that offends people, but I see a player that could be knocking on another level which is pretty special, I just dont see that evolution happening.

Stop wasting air with this Lindgren suppresses fox shit. It's tiring. You act like fox would be putting up karlsson offensive numbers from 23 if Lindgren disappeared. The fox Lindgren thing isn't just by msg, fox has made some pretty specific comments about lindgren, much more direct then the fluff answers he gives in his normal interviews.

I named karlsson and leetch as quick examples, there are decades of that stuff to supplement it. Stop acting like they are one of situations.

It's funny you say Lindgren is so bad and then say he's going to get paid 4m+, weird how that works. My entire point with Lindgren is he is what he is and it's usually the same thing. The good and the bad. There's significant value in a guy that can play 20 mins a night on good teams. What he is today is absolutely his peak, but it's one he probably maintains for 4 ish years AND ideally it is suited for a 2nd or 3rd pair role, but given the nyr structure there is no real option to replace him right now on the top pair. That could change but I would rather have Lindgren back next year then go forward with magic beans.

You're being disingenuous talking about other teams in the league and their top pairings. Most try to split up the d depth or simply don't have very good/deep defense units. The ones that do usually have a chance to win. Nyr can absolutely improve their d personnel, no one is arguing that they can't. If they improve it and it pushing Lindgren down the lineup then that is a win for the org, but all I've been saying is that people acting and saying Lindgren is not an NHL defenseman are going overboard and dismissing what he DOES bring simply because they are frustrated with what he DOESNT bring. I actually that reflects more on the other personnel than it does Lindgren bc everyone knows what Lindgren is and he maintains that, but everyone also expects/expected more from miller, trouba, and whoever Schneider is paired with....

Holy word salad lmao.

Gonna bullet point answer this one -

- Fox has never been toolsy. If you didn't have a problem with it before, then you're just looking to have a problem with it to absolve Lindgren. Nothing in his game really fell off his year other than his partner and ES chance generation which again, we've gone over.

- Lindgren absolutely has a negative impact on Fox's offensive production. If he didn't, he wouldn't be getting benched every time they need a goal. You can't have it both ways.

- Your examples from decades ago continue to be irrelevant, the game is different now. The good defense first defensemen are all adequate if not very good at getting the puck up ice and most of them are pretty good or just good outright at offense and fall into the 2 way category. Lindgren has never been good at either. It's why I've wanted him off the top pair before this year. His heavy regression is why I want him off the roster entirely. His offense was as bad as it always was this year, his defense is what fell off a cliff. No one bled chances against more than he did.

- He'll get 4+ million because thats how NHL salaries work. His QO is 3.6. He isn't making a shade more than that and definitely is not going to agree to get non tendered to sign for less a year than he just made.

- I do enjoy how you completely avoided answering this so I'll ask it again. If the top 10 D-men in the league, who has a partner weaker than the one who has been attached to Fox? If you think teams split their top guys (they usually don't btw) then this should be an easy exercise for you. I already gave you the one example I think you can make a case for and I'll tell you, it's the ONLY one that exists.

- Lindgren struggled independent of every other D on this team. No one is frustrated with how him or how he's being used because other guys struggled against Florida. We're frustrated with him and how he's used because he struggled for 82 games and 3 rounds of the playoffs.

- The one thing I do agree with you on is improving the quality of the D overall. Thats a must for this team this off season. Part of that plan should include moving on from Lindgren who is in over his head playing top 4 minutes and will make too much money to play on a bottom pair.

Dakota Joshua is really good

As long as you don't expect him to shoot 900000% again, yes.

I think he's going to get close to 4 mill though.

 

[Machinehead]

As long as you don't expect him to shoot 900000% again, yes.

I think he's going to get close to 4 mill though.

That's nothing.

 

[Machinehead]

For what role though? Are we moving Chytil (to the wing)?

Why are we moving Chytil?

 

[LOFIN]

Why are we moving Chytil?

I'm asking you. I don't really see a fit for Joshua.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm asking you. I don't really see a fit for Joshua.

Joshua doesn't play center. It has nothing to do with Chytil.

 

[Machinehead]

Do you think he could be a Ross Colton-like fit as a 3C?

He's played very little center. Even when Vancouver moved Pettersson to wing, he didn't play center.

I see him as being a RW option in the top six or a LW in the bottom six.

 

[NYR Viper]

Joshua doesn't play center. It has nothing to do with Chytil.

What do you see in him? I have watched him maybe once so I am just going off the stats I see. Very physical player with 245 hits. Much of his production comes at 5v5 which is nice to see. He doesn't get a lot of shots so I am guessing, based on his goal totals, that he either scores from in close or has an above average shot.