Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[UnSandvich]

Who matches up against top lines?

I genuinely don't know who you meant haha. We've used all of them in a matchup role in the past, and all 4 sucked at it

 

[NYR Viper]

Garnet Hathaway got a 2 year $2.375m contract at age 30 from the Flyers and while he doesn't score a ton,. he is well worth his contract IMO. If Joshua could come in and be Hathaway who scores 35 points while playing a physical game, I'd sign him for 4 years, starting at age 28 for $3.25m per year

 

[Machinehead]

I genuinely don't know who you meant haha. We've used all of them in a matchup role in the past, and all 4 sucked at it

Zibanejad comes over the boards almost every time the other team's first line does.

 

[Fitzy]

If we were able to finagle Weegar out of Calgary we’d never have to field a third defensive pairing, just throwing that out there

 

[bobbop]

First of all, I’ve never voiced my opinion about Lindgren so you don’t know what I think.

Lindgren is a warrior who generally plays above his talent level. He has complimented Fox well through the years. This year, I think his play has suffered at times because Fox, with the exception of a stretch in February and March, did not play to his standards after the knee injury he suffered in November. I saw times when Lindgren overcompensated and did not play to his usual standard.

On his own, Lindgren is best slotted as a second pair. There’s always been chatter about switching him and Miller but K is so damn inconsistent I don’t know if he makes a good pairing with Fox. I’d love to see an aircraft carrier next to Fox but I’m not sure who that player is. Shea Theodore was a nice suggestion but he is going into his walk year and has been reduced to 50ish games by injuries the last few years.

There’s a place for Lindgren on this team moving forward. It’s probably not long term top pair but there are a lot of moving parts on the Rangers defense right now that have to play out. The only way I see him not being here next year is if the Rangers can’t sign him to a contract extension (without a NTC) and can only look forward to him walking next summer.

No power for 6 hours while electricians install a new switch board panel. Gonna catch up on all the junk posts.

Miss it if you can

 

[McRanger92]

I REALLY hope Goodrow is moved. Not because I dislike him, but because his cap hit on a 4th line is just obscene. And honestly, if he went back to his old role, playing ~14 minutes a night, he would likely get back to his ~30 points per season which isn't horrendous on a rebuilding team looking for veteran leadership.

He's also the type of guy who, in the final year of his deal or perhaps with (2) years left, teams would covet adding to their bottom-6. If I was Chicago or SJ, I would acquire Goodrow for late or middle round picks while offloading a contract I'm not enamored with with 1 year left, play him ~14-15 minutes a night this year and then look to trade him with some $$ retained to some contender for a high pick. There were rumors this year that Nic Dowd of all people was close to returning a 1st. NIC DOWD!!!! What would a team pay for Goodrow for 2 years @, say $1.8m per season?

Honestly, not sure why we are so quick to remove Goodrow. He has actually done his job and represents what we need more of (guys who perform in the playoffs) not less. Move him and we have an extremely inexperienced bottom 6 unless we spend cap space on the devil we dont know to fill the void. If you're concerned about moving money, we should be looking at Trouba, Lindgren and Kakko aka guys who havent done their jobs well enough for us to reach the next level.

 

[bhamill]

This is the way I see him. He has tools that should make him an effective 4th line player and I said this last year. The points and goals he scores, while not many, are the same style that translate to the NHL. Being bigger and stronger than your competition and muscling your way to the front of the net is available, almost moreso, at the NHL level.

The fact that he played ANY games at 21 years old is impressive.

A 6'8" player is nowhere NEAR grown into his body at 21. He won't even be close to filling out and getting his real balance, man strength and such for a couple of more years. 3rd line is not out of the question, though a solid 4th liner is a good bet.

 

[McRanger92]

Garnet Hathaway got a 2 year $2.375m contract at age 30 from the Flyers and while he doesn't score a ton,. he is well worth his contract IMO. If Joshua could come in and be Hathaway who scores 35 points while playing a physical game, I'd sign him for 4 years, starting at age 28 for $3.25m per year

Could always just try to find a way to acquire Hathaway, which the Rangers probably shouldve tried harder to do over the last couple years. He is a physcial pest who can actually effect games, and he can maybe be the devil on his buddy Kreider's shoulder.

 

[bhamill]

To be fair, they list Joshua as a center but I'm pretty sure the NHL lists Igor as a center.

They still have Stamkos at center. That dude hasn't played full-time center since the Moors invaded Spain.

I'm sorry, but that's the MOOPS, Bubble Boy.
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(geezus I hope people get the reference.)

 

[EdJovanovski]

Spot on. We are all die hards here and I don't think anyone had him on their list of players who would see action this year. It's a homerun that he even made the NHL given his draft profile, let alone contributed to winning right off the bat.

The goal for Drury and the coaches should be getting the Edstrom-Goodrow-Rempe 4th line to a point next year where they can all play 10+ minutes. Because its a matchup that nightmare that no team has an answer for.

Ahem
I remember I posted having him making the team out of camp

 

[bhamill]

Ahem
I remember I posted having him making the team out of camp

I was voting for him much earlier on in the prospect polls than most, but I did NOT expect him to get more than a cup of coffee, IF THAT, this past season. So good on YOU.

 

[JohnC]

The percentage of 6th round picks that play 100 games in the NHL is surely <10% so I’d say it’s aggressively more likely that Rempe tops out as a 13th forward than it is that he comes anywhere near being a 3rd line level player.

A quick search comes up with 34 active forwards drafted in the 6th round with less than 20 of them playing over 100 games.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Would TB even consider moving Cirelli? He’s got the term left, but is at a good age where you’d only have to worry about the last year or so. He adds a much different playstyle than what we currently have in our core, and he has the versatility to shift between W and C.

With limited C options outside of Mika/Trocheck/Fil, we kind of need an additional option to help out there. I can’t watch 35+ games of the 3C being filled by someone like Bonino or Goodrow again

 

[McRanger92]

Ahem
I remember I posted having him making the team out of camp

See? Even a broken clock can do it!

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

I'm sorry, but that's the MOOPS, Bubble Boy.
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(geezus I hope people get the reference.)

Well there will be no victory cigars lying around that could burn down a log cabin.

 

[bhamill]

The percentage of 6th round picks that play 100 games in the NHL is surely <10% so I’d say it’s aggressively more likely that Rempe tops out as a 13th forward than it is that he comes anywhere near being a 3rd line level player.

A quick search comes up with 34 active forwards drafted in the 6th round with less than 20 of them playing over 100 games.

A quick search probably says similar about undrafted players, and yet some even become stars.
It no longer matters where he was drafted. He played a good handful of effective games at the NHL level at 21... while being nowhere near a finished product. The odds of 6th rounders no longer apply to him. Just like the odds of 2OA picks no longer apply to Kakko...

Well there will be no victory cigars lying around that could burn down a log cabin.

That's good. The cabin is cherished.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I was voting for him much earlier on in the prospect polls than most, but I did NOT expect him to get more than a cup of coffee, IF THAT, this past season. So good on YOU.

In interviews he's reiterated the same phrase probably 4 different times when asked about the fans chanting his name "I don't want to let them down". He got a taste of stardom being one of the biggest stories in hockey this year and I think he's super motivated to not let this story end. His exit interview saying he's not at all satisfied with who he is as a player and talking about needing to improve every single aspect of his game, I think it's this drive that got him to where he is. He wasn't even drafted in junior, that's insane. I literally played a bunch of guys who were drafted to the WHL, you don't have to play at that high of a level to be drafted in junior. He has absolutely blown past expectations at every junction of his career so far, just the whole backstory with his debut being in an outdoor game anniversary of fathers passing, all the fights, the overnight sensation thing, then scoring the first goal to open the playoffs. There is just something special about him.

 

[McRanger92]

Sign Dakota Joshua (5 years 3.5AAV, dont hate the player hate the game)
Sign Viktor Arvidsson (1 year 3.75 AAV)
Sign Jalen Chatfield (2 years 1m aav)
Schneider 2 years 2.5 mil

Trouba to detroit for Chiarot (the trade is 1 for 1)
Turn Lindgren, Kakko, Jones into assets to acquire Jakob Chychrun (dont care how thats for Drury to figure out.

Panarin-Mika- Lafreniere
Kreider-Trocheck-Joshua
Cuylle-Chytil-Arvidsson
Edstrom-Goodrow-Vesey
Rempe

Chychrun-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Chiarot-Chatfield
Robertson(dont care)

Igor
Quick

This was cap compliant on the spreadsheet I use at least. That team is much better equipped to go deep and win a Cup imo, especially on the right wing and defense. My preference is to add 1 big name in the top 6 but in order to fix the defense, you need to spread the wealth to fill the needs at forward.

 

[JohnC]

A quick search probably says similar about undrafted players, and yet some even become stars.
It no longer matters where he was drafted. He played a good handful of effective games at the NHL level at 21... while being nowhere near a finished product. The odds of 6th rounders no longer apply to him. Just like the odds of 2OA picks no longer apply to Kakko...


That's good. The cabin is cherished.

1) I just think the brakes need to be pumped on a guy that is definitely not one of this team’s 13 best forwards when fully healthy
2) you and I have very different definitions of “effective games”; he has 23m38s more ice time at the NHL level than you and I do.

 

[bigdog16]

Sign Dakota Joshua (5 years 3.5AAV, dont hate the player hate the game)
Sign Viktor Arvidsson (1 year 3.75 AAV)
Sign Jalen Chatfield (2 years 1m aav)
Schneider 2 years 2.5 mil

Trouba to detroit for Chiarot (the trade is 1 for 1)
Turn Lindgren, Kakko, Jones into assets to acquire Jakob Chychrun (dont care how thats for Drury to figure out.

Panarin-Mika- Lafreniere
Kreider-Trocheck-Joshua
Cuylle-Chytil-Arvidsson
Edstrom-Goodrow-Vesey
Rempe

Chychrun-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Chiarot-Chatfield
Robertson(dont care)

Igor
Quick

This was cap compliant on the spreadsheet I use at least. That team is much better equipped to go deep and win a Cup imo, especially on the right wing and defense. My preference is to add 1 big name in the top 6 but in order to fix the defense, you need to spread the wealth to fill the needs at forward.

Chatfield will end up signing for way more than $1m. Closer to 3-4

 

[McRanger92]

Chatfield will end up signing for way more than $1m. Closer to 3-4

Ok hes not that good anyway. Insert random 6/7 defenseman in his place

 

[TominNC]

Awful in that series, or awful (at certain things) in general? We saw these same things in the Carolina series, and if not for a Supernatural event with Krieder... we might have been looking at a G7 winner take all.

Remember... the NYR are supposed to be "going for it" with this core still intact. So I ask myself... do they have what it takes?

I see our defense struggling to move the puck efficiently out of their end. I see error prone players on defense, who don't clear the crease. I see often injured defenseman, that aren't very durable.
As great as Fox is offensively... he's not very good defensively. Miller and Schneider haven't taken the next step, especially Miller.

This isn't a SC caliber defense.

The offense is primarily built on special teams, and that is a problem. There is no organic scoring 5v5 for this team. There are games were individual talent stands out, but there are far too many game where they just cannot generate offense. Too much passing/playmaking. There is a lack of pure shooters in this lineup. They lack grit and physicality.

This isn't a SC caliber offense.

NYR are a playoff team that overachieves and relies on opportunistic scoring and riding their goaltending.

Things need to change.

This alone makes me question your judgment.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Mika really isn't his point. It's Florida's effectiveness 5v5 vs. some of the league's best players in these playoffs.

They listed shutting down Mika at 5v5 as an example of Floridas effectiveness despite that being routinely done by the shittiest teams in the league

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Trocheck didn’t get enough credit for Goodrows shooting bender

 

[NYR Viper]

Honestly, not sure why we are so quick to remove Goodrow. He has actually done his job and represents what we need more of (guys who perform in the playoffs) not less. Move him and we have an extremely inexperienced bottom 6 unless we spend cap space on the devil we dont know to fill the void. If you're concerned about moving money, we should be looking at Trouba, Lindgren and Kakko aka guys who havent done their jobs well enough for us to reach the next level.

Because they can find a minimum of (2) guys who also perform at this level for the same cost and I really don't think he is a true center. He doesn't distribute or transport the puck effectively.

Could always just try to find a way to acquire Hathaway, which the Rangers probably shouldve tried harder to do over the last couple years. He is a physcial pest who can actually effect games, and he can maybe be the devil on his buddy Kreider's shoulder.

I'd be interested in him when his contract ends after this season depending on how Edstrom and Rempe progress.