Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[kovazub94]

Everyone still trying to trade trouba, Lindgren, and Mika?

Anyone come up with a reasonable C replacement and 1st pairing D to play with fox (not miller)?

Until the replacements are identified all the other stuff is nonsense.

This coming from someone that wants to see changes, but you can't gut a roster without reasonable replacements, and we don't have those in house in part because we keep drafting f***ing wingers (love Gabe)...

Let’s put Mika aside - he’s not going anywhere for multiple reasons.

On D Drury has let’s say over $12m in cap space that’s largely movable. There will be takers interested in either Lindgren or Trouba (later at $6.5m with $1.5m manageable retantion). Are you telling me Drury won’t be able to find a partner for Fox and a vet 2/3 pair RD in this situation and additional sweeteners to play with in Kakko, Goodrow and a couple of close to the NHL prospects? I have no idea what specific moves Drury will pull but I’m sure he’ll have options to do his job - this is not an impossible situation by any means.

 

[bbny]

Kreider and Lindgren to Dallas for Harley and something

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This fan base with eat chychrun alive by mid-season…..
They’ll fall in love with his shot early, he’ll probably score some sweet goals with some laser beams off his stick…… beyond the injuries, people will lose it when he gets walked/physically overmatch by inferior players…..
He also skates in the other direction away from the rough stuff.
OTT fans were also railing on him for being very average/passive in their transition/passing game.
Guy has never played playoff hockey. Never played on a good team. Always was a big fish in a little pond on a broom feeder.
Add in the injuries/cost to bring him in, and he’s a huge No imo.

Rather have sanheim then what you’ll have to pay for Chychrun

Ottawa played him on his offside so if his transition game was just okay, that’s why. Not everyone can do it and that’s fine, he wouldn’t need to here.

I remember what he looked like in Arizona, his transition game was a strength.

He’d be a massive upgrade on Lindgren who isn’t really an asset in the physical game either. He might be willing but he bounces off of everyone and was nail much more than he was hammer last year.

Not having playoff experience is not good or bad, it just is.

I’d rather Theodore but not sure that’s an option. I just know that it 1000% cannot be Lindgren. He will single handedly nuke this teams chances to win.

 

[GAGLine]

I get the reservations with Chychrun but I'd rather have 60 games of him than 82 games of Lindgren, who isn't exactly the pillar of durability either.

Chychrun is essentially a rental. He has 1 year left on his contract, after which he's going to want a significant raise that we probably can't afford. We already have Laf, Miller and Shesty to pay in the summer of 2025.

 

[GAGLine]

Kreider and Lindgren to Dallas for Harley and something

I don't see Dallas doing that. They basically played the entire playoffs with 5 dmen. They aren't going to downgrade from Harley to Lindgren. They'll probably re-sign Pavelski for cheaper to fill the Kreider role.

 

[Raspewtin]

Chychrun is essentially a rental. He has 1 year left on his contract, after which he's going to want a significant raise that we probably can't afford. We already have Laf, Miller and Shesty to pay in the summer of 2025.

at this point i'd rather pay Chych than Miller tbh

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chychrun is essentially a rental. He has 1 year left on his contract, after which he's going to want a significant raise that we probably can't afford. We already have Laf, Miller and Shesty to pay in the summer of 2025.

Theres other ways to open up money to pay those guys. I don't think you can move Trouba and Panarin clean with out anything coming back, you can get rid of most of their hits+the salaries of the guys above should open up enough space to bring back everyone (if they even want to.)

It's not like Lindgren would be free either. Chychrun expensive? Nah, but still enough to cause a dent in the cap that isn't worth it.

I don't see Dallas doing that. They basically played the entire playoffs with 5 dmen. They aren't going to downgrade from Harley to Lindgren. They'll probably re-sign Pavelski for cheaper to fill the Kreider role.

Pavelski is retiring.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

I’m old enough to remember when Trouba was coveted and we stole him.

Good times

 

[bbny]

I don't see Dallas doing that. They basically played the entire playoffs with 5 dmen. They aren't going to downgrade from Harley to Lindgren. They'll probably re-sign Pavelski for cheaper to fill the Kreider role.

Pavelski is retiring I think.

I think I’d pony up for Harley if it’s at all possible. Maybe Miller instead of Lindgren, with a larger add coming back from Dallas. I don’t really care. Just get me Harley to pair with Fox for the next decade.

 

[kovazub94]

Chychrun is essentially a rental. He has 1 year left on his contract, after which he's going to want a significant raise that we probably can't afford. We already have Laf, Miller and Shesty to pay in the summer of 2025.

How much is the price difference? I count Lindgren as $4-$5m cap hit. Is it going to be acceptable for Fox’s partner if Trouba’s position simultaneously becomes cheaper?

 

[Synergy27]

Hindsight 20/20, we absolutely should have ponied up the assets for Hanifin. I really thought it was happening at one point. He was and is exactly what this team needs and his contract fits assuming one or both of Trouba and Lingren are moved.

 

[Vitto79]

Hindsight 20/20, we absolutely should have ponied up the assets for Hanifin. I really thought it was happening at one point. He was and is exactly what this team needs and his contract fits assuming one or both of Trouba and Lingren are moved.

We were never in on that he basically picked where he wanted

In no way was I giving up the cost for Guentzel either

This team barely lost . Only changed that make sense are Lindgren and Kakko

Need a RW and LD replacement . No clue where

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Hindsight 20/20, we absolutely should have ponied up the assets for Hanifin. I really thought it was happening at one point. He was and is exactly what this team needs and his contract fits assuming one or both of Trouba and Lingren are moved.

I don’t think NYR were high on his list or on it at all. Agreed that he would have been the ideal add. He was the one name at the TDL I would have liked them to pony up for.

 

[GAGLine]

How much is the price difference? I count Lindgren as $4-$5m cap hit. Is it going to be acceptable for Fox’s partner if Trouba’s position simultaneously becomes cheaper?

My concern is that we'd pay Chychrun for what he has done and not for what he will do with the Rangers. He won't get significant PP time with the Rangers as long as Fox is healthy. His even strength production is barely higher than Trouba's.

Plus, yes, he is always injured. It will cost us at least a 1st to acquire him and he has never played for a good team. We have no idea if he can actually handle top minutes on a contending team.

He's another Trouba to me. A guy with a reputation as a good player, who will end up getting paid more than he is worth based on numbers he put up on bad teams.

I'd rather look for the next Gustav Forsling. Very hard to find, yes, but I'd rather just keep Lindgren than bring in the wrong guy on a big contract. We've been down that road already.

 

[NYR Viper]

Let’s put Mika aside - he’s not going anywhere for multiple reasons.

On D Drury has let’s say over $12m in cap space that’s largely movable. There will be takers interested in either Lindgren or Trouba (later at $6.5m with $1.5m manageable retantion). Are you telling me Drury won’t be able to find a partner for Fox and a vet 2/3 pair RD in this situation and additional sweeteners to play with in Kakko, Goodrow and a couple of close to the NHL prospects? I have no idea what specific moves Drury will pull but I’m sure he’ll have options to do his job - this is not an impossible situation by any means.

There are probably 4-5 pieces that are UFA’s that, to varying degrees would be upgrades to those two.

Matt Roy - 5 years at $5m
Dylan Demelo - 5 years at $5m
Brenden Dillon - 2 years at $2.9m
Justin Schultz - 2 years at $2.4m

Lindgren is likely to get $4m on a 4 year deal
Trouba makes $8m. So you they can allocate $12m to those two, or they could sign Roy and Dillon and allocate $8-8.5m.

I’ve seen the pushback on Dillon but one of the reasons I like him is that it’s a short contract that is unlikely to have. nMC included. If we look forward to next years UFA class, it’s possible there are a few higher level d-men available. Flexibility will be nice to have.

 

[McRanger92]

Well it depends on what comes back in any deal. Just removing them? Sure we are much worse. But what we can get back and the cap we can use to add to the roster makes the outcome variable.
16 teams make the playoffs. I’d rather slip in at 16 with a team that can win it all in the playoffs than be Pres Trophy winners and not win the cup. That’s my mindset. Of course winning both reg and post season would be sweet, but I think we all prefer winning the Cup.

I know some are frustrated by Panarin but it’s not possible to replace his regular season impact. It’s not a coincidence his contract ends at the same time as McDavid. Additionally, Panarin imo showed great leadership with how he handled Lafreniere. The confidence boost for Laf changed everything for the franchise and as Laf grows I think the playoff style will rub off more on the Breadman

 

[Vitto79]

SJ may be on Troubas or Goodrows no trade

Sturm and Ruuta could be cap dumps back ?

Probably have to throw in an Edstrom for SJ

Im still thinking neither goes but you have to look at contracts going back

 

[gravey9]

adding brawn to finesse has always been a bad idea unless they're talented plus brawn. leafs adding reaves cus marner and matthews are regular season players is futile. They did add bertuzzi and domi or whoever else to get tougher in their scoring lines but that didn't work either.

you can't add brawn to marners and matthews or zibanejad or panarin. troch and laffy killed it but panarin was still a perimeter player. you can't get our guys to go to the net and drive the lane no matter who you add. if you can't change the core, add the most talented all around players to the b6 and hope they and depth a few wins in the POs. i'd like some guys that can score a bit and are okay sized and not p***yes. jesper fast did that pretty well for us.

I think you're describing Jake Guentzel.

 

[zlev]

Hindsight 20/20, we absolutely should have ponied up the assets for Hanifin. I really thought it was happening at one point. He was and is exactly what this team needs and his contract fits assuming one or both of Trouba and Lingren are moved.

would've made a much bigger difference than Guentzel

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know some are frustrated by Panarin but it’s not possible to replace his regular season impact. It’s not a coincidence his contract ends at the same time as McDavid. Additionally, Panarin imo showed great leadership with how he handled Lafreniere. The confidence boost for Laf changed everything for the franchise and as Laf grows I think the playoff style will rub off more on the Breadman

His contract only ends at the same time because 7 was the max they could have given a UFA that they didn’t have the year before.

I don’t know that he showed great leadership but he definitely had a positive impact on Laf this year. I don’t think he’s the only player in the league who can and would do that though.

Laf really drove that line in the playoffs though and especially when Panarin was a non factor . Panarin isn’t at the top of my list of guys to move on from (if you don’t fix the D, there’s no point in doing anything) but I’d love it if they replaced Panarin with Guentzel and used Panarin’s return to fill one of those D spots (plus other pieces.)

 

[Hire Sather]

except one of us is parroting like a child b'c he's got nothing

the other has taken pains to substantiate everything he says

there is underlying merit to my claim
e.g., I said 'play Rempe'
tv profiled w/analysis confirming his play was fundamentally solid
in fact MESSIER
says Rs properly trust him

you are contrary to all that
move over dorothy
surrender HS

Who gives a f*** what Messier says?

Do you know who the coach is?

Did you see how he was barely played at the ends of games?

His spot would've been better utilized by a player the coach would've played more. Maybe a switch to 7D after G3 to give the injured defenseman more of a breather.

There is a logical opinion rather than you just looking to call yourself correct because people on TV said something you like.

 

[Chief]

Don't expect any upgrades over the summer. The two main reasons for that are because Drury will play it safe, just like most GM's would do, and the Rangers cap situation is, as we all know, screwed.

The only realistic move, which Drury probably won't make, is to trade Trouba to open up cap space. Trade Trouba and attach a pick and done. heck, you might even find a team that thinks his leadership and physical play would be desirable. No need to overthink it or take on any cap hit in the process. Kreider could theoretically be traded, but then Mika and some of the other Rangers will mope like Leetch, Richter and others did when Mess was allowed to walk/shown the way out and next season will be lost.

Given Trouba's $8M salary slot, I would think we could bring in a RW that has some grit and scoring. Failing that happening then you are looking at letting the deadline acquisitions go, re-signing our RFAs, and getting to see what Othmann can do on the RW. That'll be your team until he next deadline when Drury looks to add more bodies.

 

[RangerBoy]

Then you tell me where you are going to get two affordable replacements who are better.

I like Shea Theodore to pair with Fox. Everyone complains about Lindgren being a terrible partner for Fox.

If the Golden Knights have their sights set on a bigger change this summer, Shea Theodore could be a trade candidate for multiple reasons. First, Theodore’s current deal expires after the 2024-25 season. Considering the eight-year deal Vegas just signed with Hanifin for $7.35 million per season, it could be tough to keep Theodore beyond that.

It’s also worth noting that Hanifin and Theodore are very similar players. Their biggest strength is their skating, which helps with breakouts and transitions. Hanifin replaced Theodore on the top power-play unit down the stretch and it performed better. There’s also an argument that coach Bruce Cassidy’s system — which doesn’t ask for much offense from its defensemen — isn’t best suited to maximize Theodore’s strengths. After producing at a 65-point pace in the shortened 2020-21 season and putting up 52 points in 2021-22 under Peter DeBoer, Theodore dipped to only 41 points in 2022-23 and 42 points this past season under Cassidy.

Having Alex Pietrangelo, Hanifin and Theodore is an incredible luxury, and Vegas isn’t in a hurry to split that up, but if push comes to shove and McCrimmon doesn’t believe he’ll be able to — or want to — extend Theodore beyond next season, it could be a shrewd move to trade him now while he has plenty of value.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5486419/2024/05/13/vegas-golden-knights-roster-offseason/

Vegas has been in cap crunches before and they have sold off players for limited returns. MAF. Pacioretty. Reilly Smith for a 3rd.

Drury has flushed most of the Rangers draft pick capital down the toilet. Perhaps the Rangers could move Jones for a 2nd and flip that pick for Theodore. Vince has mentioned other teams like Jones. 2nd round pick. Cheap contract. Jones can play. He didn't look out of place when Trouba was out.

I like Joel Edmundson as a free agent. What will he cost? He was good for the Leafs. Cup experience with the Blues. Played for the Habs when they lost in the Cup final to TB.

If the Rangers make a hockey trade for Trouba, I like Rutta from the Sharks as a replacement. Another big body on D. Cup experience from TB. One year remaining . $2.75M. Theodore has a ring. He has played in so many big playoff games for Vegas. One year. $5.2M.

Drury said yesterday he wants the Rangers to become "a heavier, more physical team".

What took him so long to realize that?

 

[bhamill]

I know some are frustrated by Panarin but it’s not possible to replace his regular season impact. It’s not a coincidence his contract ends at the same time as McDavid. Additionally, Panarin imo showed great leadership with how he handled Lafreniere. The confidence boost for Laf changed everything for the franchise and as Laf grows I think the playoff style will rub off more on the Breadman

Hey I’m not bagging on Panarin. I’m just saying that how theoretically trading him affects the team depends on the deal itself and/or what they would do with the extra cap. For example, say they traded him straight up for Brady Tk (I’m not saying it’s a trade either team would or could make) then use the 3mil extra in cap to get a middle sixer who scores 30 points…. That’s just like 10 points shy of Pan’s total…
I’m not even saying I WANT to do that, but it’s an example. Pan wasn't terrible this post season by any stretch, but you need your top guys to be your top guys in the playoffs. And he was not.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I like Shea Theodore to pair with Fox. Everyone complains about Lindgren being a terrible partner for Fox.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5486419/2024/05/13/vegas-golden-knights-roster-offseason/

Vegas has been in cap crunches before and they have sold off players for limited returns. MAF. Pacioretty. Reilly Smith for a 3rd.

Drury has flushed most of the Rangers draft pick capital down the toilet. Perhaps the Rangers could move Jones for a 2nd and flip that pick for Theodore. Vince has mentioned other teams like Jones. 2nd round pick. Cheap contract. Jones can play. He didn't look out of place when Trouba was out.

I like Joel Edmundson as a free agent. What will he cost? He was good for the Leafs. Cup experience with the Blues. Played for the Habs when they lost in the Cup final to TB.

If the Rangers make a hockey trade for Trouba, I like Rutta from the Sharks as a replacement. Another big body on D. Cup experience from TB. One year remaining . $2.75M. Theodore has a ring. He has played in so many big playoff games for Vegas. One year. $5.2M.

Drury said yesterday he wants the Rangers to become "a heavier, more physical team".

What took him so long to realize that?

Theordore would be my plan A if it’s possible. Would give up a lot.