LeighDx59
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Wouldnt mind that either, just depending on the price. Id rather Yzerman not pay top prices if possible. I just want some sort of upgrade defensively.
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Wouldnt mind that either, just depending on the price. Id rather Yzerman not pay top prices if possible. I just want some sort of upgrade defensively.
I dont know what I'd offer for him but I wouldnt give up the farm. I like his upside and even if hes not a top 4 guy I'd take him at 6'7 on the 3rd pair
Bichsel johansson 3rd pairing could be really solid. Hes got 17 games in his career so way too early to tell what he is , I just saw 3 really good dmen on the left side already
Maybe they have someone in mind to go on the right side. just saw him as an option
I'd have np with Martinez. Obviously I'd prefer Miller,hague,bichsel etc....
I see Martinez as a stop gap until the kids are ready and prevents yzerman from signing another stupid ufa contract
He can help now, turns 38 in the summer. Depending how he'd do and if we can get rid of holl I'd give him a 1 year extension. Probably be a dream come true for him
Chiarot seider
Edvinsson pellika
Martinez johansson
Free agent + tuomisto
Again I'd prefer a younger dman but wouldnt be a bad option if it stops another holl/chiarot/petry move
Man Almost blew a 2 goal lead back to back nights ... unless we make a big move for the future I'd like to see yzerman make a move to at least upgrade the defense
Oleksiak,soucy,martinez .. no huge cost there I'd say. I didnt think we'd make the playoffs cause of our defense and as much as I liked edvinsson and johansson theyre both rookies. they been great
Always said this team would go nowhere until the rookies came and took over. Ever since kasper was put on the 1st line hes just kept going
Make a dman move before the deadline stevie. And call up watson next game to start smashing some bodies around. This ducks game pissed me off with the cheap hits
Oleksiak,soucy,martinez .. no huge cost there I'd say. I didnt think we'd make the playoffs cause of our defense and as much as I liked edvinsson and johansson theyre both rookies. they been great
Always said this team would go nowhere until the rookies came and took over. Ever since kasper was put on the 1st line hes just kept going
Make a dman move before the deadline stevie. And call up watson next game to start smashing some bodies around. This ducks game pissed me off with the cheap hits
Lampedampe
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Many others have said it, but another 3rd pair defenseman is needed.
Edvinsson is slumping abit. Need to have a 3rd pair that is reliable enough to pick up some slack when the 2 rookies struggle. Which they will from time to time, being rookies and all.
Edvinsson is slumping abit. Need to have a 3rd pair that is reliable enough to pick up some slack when the 2 rookies struggle. Which they will from time to time, being rookies and all.
Oddbob
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Yeah, this is the issue with a rookie pair even if they are good, they will make mistakes and without another better option to spell them when they struggle it can get bad. I really don't like how Steve hasn't addressed our blueline at all during this season. There has to be some lower tier moves he could have made by now that gets Holl out of the lineup each night and allows for Gus to be scratched when he sucks.
I'm not worried about Ed really, as rookies will have ups and downs and he has been asked to shoulder a much heavier load than a rookie should have to, and that is on Steve. Great that he can handle 20+, but still.
KJoe88
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Trading Olli was a mistake op. Should’ve been someone else.
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I know the obvious things that we are missing (Top 4 D with term, middle 6 scoring) - but I also recognize that we are in a bit of a logjam with our upcoming prospects at this point.
I very much guess that many of our top end prospects are already on track to take over positions in the next two years that are currently occupied by short term veteran plugs at the moment, and maybe the better use of our prospect pool and picks is to straight up overpay for a stud upgrade if available (no duh!).
In the absence of that, the most immediate term item I can think of that we could do that honestly makes us better for the run and won't cost us an arm and a leg, is building a true 'shutdown' line. The MIN and ANA and it's recency bias aside, one of the things that I find odd about this team is that our 4th line is entirely ...identity-less. It's mostly some odd revolving door of Veleno, Rasmussen, Motte, Fischer, snakebitten forwards on a coldspell in Tarasenko, Beggren, hell...even Copp and Compher. The line just seems to be just a random collection with no real value other than it's ...where players go to exist.
I very much expect when it's all said and done - that it will be filled by Mazer - Savage - James in three years which will be formidable and tenacious; but what if we brought in someone round out that line now, and give us the forwards we need when protecting a lead with 6 min left?
Adding in a Tanev or an Evans - make it a hockey trade and ship off Veleno and a 3rd; whatever. But adding a true defensive specialist and forechecking will give the nice same 'veteran to teach the young guys how to do the role' Mazur next year, and then Savage the year after
I very much guess that many of our top end prospects are already on track to take over positions in the next two years that are currently occupied by short term veteran plugs at the moment, and maybe the better use of our prospect pool and picks is to straight up overpay for a stud upgrade if available (no duh!).
In the absence of that, the most immediate term item I can think of that we could do that honestly makes us better for the run and won't cost us an arm and a leg, is building a true 'shutdown' line. The MIN and ANA and it's recency bias aside, one of the things that I find odd about this team is that our 4th line is entirely ...identity-less. It's mostly some odd revolving door of Veleno, Rasmussen, Motte, Fischer, snakebitten forwards on a coldspell in Tarasenko, Beggren, hell...even Copp and Compher. The line just seems to be just a random collection with no real value other than it's ...where players go to exist.
I very much expect when it's all said and done - that it will be filled by Mazer - Savage - James in three years which will be formidable and tenacious; but what if we brought in someone round out that line now, and give us the forwards we need when protecting a lead with 6 min left?
Adding in a Tanev or an Evans - make it a hockey trade and ship off Veleno and a 3rd; whatever. But adding a true defensive specialist and forechecking will give the nice same 'veteran to teach the young guys how to do the role' Mazur next year, and then Savage the year after
Lampedampe
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Yeah, just need a vet that has some physicality and can PK.
Dumoulin and Oleksiak fit the bill, and i reckon neither would look out of shape in the top-4 for stints, if needed.
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The likely traded olli specifically because they couldn’t trade anybody else.
KJoe88
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Probably and unfortunately
I dont regret the maata deal only because if he stayed maybe chiarot would have went on the right side and who knows if Johansson ever sticks longterm with edvinsson and finds his confidence
Maybe we end up dealing johansson somewhere and he plays well on another team. I'd say the obvious walman trade was the bad move
Maybe we end up dealing johansson somewhere and he plays well on another team. I'd say the obvious walman trade was the bad move
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I admit I am counting the chickens before they hatch with this statement; but Raymond on pace for a 90pt season, with a contract under 8 million, is the definition of team friendly. 11.5 for 10 more points, albeit at a more important position; is far less team friendly.
Henkka
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It still opened a slot for Johansson. We should be just happy.
Lampedampe
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Walman-Seider
Edvinsson-Johansson
Chiarot-Maata
Would've been so nice to have that shutdown pair.
After this season i may forget, but until then...
Lampedampe
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Looking at what he achieved in Tampa, and sticking with Cooper. Wouldn't be suprised if Yzerman found pride in sticking with his coach, while all the other GMs were rotating their coaches.
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I think it was a matter of Olli being the only one with any value. On one hand it showed they were trying to make room for Jo, on the other, I'm not sure why we just didnt bury Holl in GR
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I think a big part of Walman leaving was he lost his top 4 spot and didn't want to play in a 3rd line role, he saw the writing on the wall (no pun intended) with Ed and Chiarot holding spots on the left side.
His play at the tail end of the season told the tale of where he was headed, SY had to make room for Ed, so he had to go before things got to a Vancouver stage...SY likely did Walman a favour by sending him to a team that could accommodate his desire to be top 4 and sent a message to the room that SY will take care of the team dynamics in short order.
