Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[bobbop]

The Rangers will lose again returning the same D group.

Then you tell me where you are going to get two affordable replacements who are better.

 

[huerter]

We lost because of our special teams. And that's the beginning and end of the story.

Igor carried the mail and the power play and PK couldn't deliver. 1 out of, what, 15? If they performed at 20% that's 2 goals and that's the series. Same for the PK. If that functions at their "normal" level then the Panthers score 2 less PP goals. Again, the series.

Combined, it's why we lost.

We lost because we got worked. Punked. Their players were asking ours with genuine curiosity "what are you afraid of?".

 

[Tob]

NO SIMPS! NO SIMPS! NO SIMPS! Starting to think if we gave Rempe more than 2:43 of ice time, we would have won the series.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

We lost because of our special teams. And that's the beginning and end of the story.

Igor carried the mail and the power play and PK couldn't deliver. 1 out of, what, 15? If they performed at 20% that's 2 goals and that's the series. Same for the PK. If that functions at their "normal" level then the Panthers score 2 less PP goals. Again, the series.

Combined, it's why we lost.

Last 3 games when the series swung from 2-1 NYR to 4-2 Cats, NYR were outscored 5-1 at 5v5. Outshot 90-54. Scoring chances were 112-47. High danger chances were 47-17!!!

That is utter domination by Florida. It was not remotely close. PP would have narrowed the gap but no doubt in my mind the series swung at 5 on 5.

 

[lakeshirts37]

god help us if we give Lindgren $5M AAV

the defense isn't even that hard to fix. buy out or trade Trouba, trade Lindgren's rights. re-sign Gus if he's cheap enough and find a RD like Matt Roy or something.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Roy
Gus-Schneider

that would be a massive upgrade

No Gus plz

 

[bleedblue94]

Drury gave voice to the sentiment we all share:

NO ONE IS SAFE.

He said that and then also said he is looking for options for the rw with Mika and Chris. Sounds like they are pretty safe...

 

[irishlaxburger2]

We lost because of our special teams. And that's the beginning and end of the story.

Igor carried the mail and the power play and PK couldn't deliver. 1 out of, what, 15? If they performed at 20% that's 2 goals and that's the series. Same for the PK. If that functions at their "normal" level then the Panthers score 2 less PP goals. Again, the series.

Combined, it's why we lost.

They literally stop calling penalties as playoff series go deeper. It’s why we need to stop worrying about trying to win with special teams. They don’t matter when only two penalties are called per game.

This team needs to get better 5v5. Its been the Achilles heel for over a decade.

 

[bleedblue94]

Everyone still trying to trade trouba, Lindgren, and Mika?

Anyone come up with a reasonable C replacement and 1st pairing D to play with fox (not miller)?

Until the replacements are identified all the other stuff is nonsense.

This coming from someone that wants to see changes, but you can't gut a roster without reasonable replacements, and we don't have those in house in part because we keep drafting f***ing wingers (love Gabe)...

 

[Ruggs225]

Everyone still trying to trade trouba, Lindgren, and Mika?

Anyone come up with a reasonable C replacement and 1st pairing D to play with fox (not miller)?

Until the replacements are identified all the other stuff is nonsense.

This coming from someone that wants to see changes, but you can't gut a roster without reasonable replacements, and we don't have those in house in part because we keep drafting f***ing wingers (love Gabe)...

I want brady skjei for first pairing with fox… but his contract might be stupid high. Also have no clue if we would even want to come back to NY.

 

[Tob]

we need to band together and stop the "it was a close series, all 1 goal games" rhetoric before it becomes the narrative by July.

, and it's all Zibanejad's fault.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

we need to band together and stop the "it was a close series, all 1 goal games" rhetoric before it becomes the narrative by July.

, and it's all Zibanejad's fault.

“We were two bounces away”

“Yeah, from being swept”

 

[bleedblue94]

I want brady skjei for first pairing with fox… but his contract might be stupid high. Also have no clue if we would even want to come back to NY.

This cracks me up, people were celebrating robbery for getting a 1st for Brady back when he was on our second pair and now we want to bring him back for the top pair?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Everyone still trying to trade trouba, Lindgren, and Mika?

Anyone come up with a reasonable C replacement and 1st pairing D to play with fox (not miller)?

Until the replacements are identified all the other stuff is nonsense.

This coming from someone that wants to see changes, but you can't gut a roster without reasonable replacements, and we don't have those in house in part because we keep drafting f***ing wingers (love Gabe)...

Theres a guy in Ottawa who is available and would be a good fit. Who know what Vegas is going to do this offseason and how they manage to keep their shit together.

Lindgren is not good and an easy replacement. Now I agree that they shouldn't just go out and replace him with whatever but keeping him around really shouldn't be an option.

 

[bleedblue94]

Theres a guy in Ottawa who is available and would be a good fit. Who know what Vegas is going to do this offseason and how they manage to keep their shit together.

Lindgren is not good and an easy replacement. Now I agree that they shouldn't just go out and replace him with whatever but keeping him around really shouldn't be an option.

The guy is Ottawa just survived a season of playing over 60 games for the 3rd time in 8 NHL seasons. Color me skeptical on him.

Vegas? They have Martinez, McNabb, Hague, and hanafin on the left side. You're not getting Hague or hanafin (my choice to replace Lindgren) so you bring them up for Martinez of McNabb?

Players that can manage 1st pair minutes are hard come find. Some teams have been looking for those players for literally years.

I have no issue replacing Lindgren of the right player exists but who is that that is actually available?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The guy is Ottawa just survived a season of playing over 60 games for the 3rd time in 8 NHL seasons. Color me skeptical on him.

Vegas? They have Martinez, McNabb, Hague, and hanafin on the left side. You're not getting Hague or hanafin (my choice to replace Lindgren) so you bring them up for Martinez of McNabb?

Players that can manage 1st pair minutes are hard come find. Some teams have been looking for those players for literally years.

I have no issue replacing Lindgren of the right player exists but who is that that is actually available?

Theodore, whether or not he shakes loose there I have no idea. Vegas is elite at cap shenanigans but if they want to keep JAM someone has to leave. I wouldn't want Hague anyway, hes not good.

Martinez is a UFA btw so he can be had as he won't be returning to Vegas. Not advocating this btw, he is not and has never been top pair quality.

I get the reservations with Chychrun but I'd rather have 60 games of him than 82 games of Lindgren, who isn't exactly the pillar of durability either.

 

[jay from jersey]

This cracks me up, people were celebrating robbery for getting a 1st for Brady back when he was on our second pair and now we want to bring him back for the top pair?

At 7 mill per season no less…. lol lol
It would be half a season before people declare the contract an albatross anchor and we’re stuck with him for 5-6 years…….

A full season before HF starts attaching every prospect/picks to package with him to try and get him out of NY…..

I like Skjei. I’m glad he carved out a nice career for himself and earned himself a 2nd big payday…. But it should absolutely not be Here with us….

The only D I’d want in FA is Roy, and he’s a RD so that’s pretty much not happening. Moot point.
I think Car manages to keep Pesce. He def doesn’t want to leave. I think they find a way to make him fit somehow….

I think some here just look at stats/time and don’t take into account that more then a few of these guys are products of the system their teams run. They benefit greatly from it.. they count on all 5 players forming a cohesive defensive scheme.
Take them out of that, and they don’t look so glamorous anymore.

Gus largely benefitted here early from knowing and running in Lavi/houselys system, And it brought him a lot of success here early on. Made his deal a bargain… he also got worse as the season went on too.wasn’t hitting the net as much, bad giveaways, poor pinches Etc…..
Rangers have to find a guy or 2 who greatly benefit and have strengths that can contribute running this active D/transition style… jones should honestly do very well with a solid vet beside him.
Offensively, I think he’s got more to give than Gus.
Find a big mobile partner that’s good to stick next to Fox and go to war

 

[jay from jersey]

Theodore, whether or not he shakes loose there I have no idea. Vegas is elite at cap shenanigans but if they want to keep JAM someone has to leave. I wouldn't want Hague anyway, hes not good.

Martinez is a UFA btw so he can be had as he won't be returning to Vegas. Not advocating this btw, he is not and has never been top pair quality.

I get the reservations with Chychrun but I'd rather have 60 games of him than 82 games of Lindgren, who isn't exactly the pillar of durability either.

This fan base with eat chychrun alive by mid-season…..
They’ll fall in love with his shot early, he’ll probably score some sweet goals with some laser beams off his stick…… beyond the injuries, people will lose it when he gets walked/physically overmatch by inferior players…..
He also skates in the other direction away from the rough stuff.
OTT fans were also railing on him for being very average/passive in their transition/passing game.
Guy has never played playoff hockey. Never played on a good team. Always was a big fish in a little pond on a broom feeder.
Add in the injuries/cost to bring him in, and he’s a huge No imo.

Rather have sanheim then what you’ll have to pay for Chychrun

 

[bhamill]

Call me a Panarin stan but the minute he is gone people will start complaining about why we are fighting for a wild card spot. It doesn't make us better. Nor does trading Mika. People need t get out of their feels and realize there is 1 winner every year, and we are a great team, but not the best. Florida is the best. The only way they lose is if the greatest player of this century goes supernova. If people want to trade these guys, show your work. Because if the plan is "we need a culture change!" (we dont) at the the expense of icing the best team possible, that's foolish. We arent the Maple Leafs who are deers in headlights in big moments. The Rangers arent playing joke teams in these conference finals. Tampa hadnt lost a series in 4 years when we played them in 2022. And we know Florida's capabilities. The story of this group is not written yet.

Well it depends on what comes back in any deal. Just removing them? Sure we are much worse. But what we can get back and the cap we can use to add to the roster makes the outcome variable.
16 teams make the playoffs. I’d rather slip in at 16 with a team that can win it all in the playoffs than be Pres Trophy winners and not win the cup. That’s my mindset. Of course winning both reg and post season would be sweet, but I think we all prefer winning the Cup.

 

[bhamill]

I'm not necessarily for or against Zegras, but he put up more points in his age 20 & 21 seasons than Kakko has in his 5 seasons. So we'd be adding quite a bit (which maybe you know, but just didn't mention). If Zegras goes straight up for someone in a change of scenery trade, it'd be for someone more accomplished than Kakko in my opinion, like Necas, Farabee, Batherson, etc..

Zegras isn’t the solution. Certainly not for our PLAYOFF woes.
BTW Zegras scored 14 non pp points in 31 games this year.
Last year 48 non pp pts in 81 games getting 1st line minutes. JUST 8 more than Kakko got…
He WONT get pp1 here. He’s going to prob be a 0.5-0.6 ppg player here. If that getting 3C duties. He’s not better than Mika or Troch. Or maybe they’d use him as a RW for 20-73 which means he won’t score. Hahaha.
He’s a complimentary piece not a young stud C. If you want a stud don’t trade for him.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I think we are plenty big/strong.

We lack the acumen to play between the circles and in front of the net.

That's where we need to improve.

Bingoooooo.

I see a lot about the defense sucking (which it does) but the other half of the equation is that the rangers play a perimeter game and have basically since the rebuild.

They don’t generate offense from below the hash marks. A lot of it has to due with having players that are niche or are rush players.

They don’t cycle well (pretty much only one line can but they don’t do f*** all with it), they don’t drive the net, and they don’t get rebound goals.

I hate to break it to people, but that’s how you get goals in the playoffs.

Even if the defense is magically fixed, this team will continue to fail in the playoffs if they don’t go to the f***ing net. We’ve watched them play ring around the Rosie for 5 seasons now.

 

[huerter]

I’m old enough to remember when Trouba was coveted and we stole him.

 

[TominNC]

This cracks me up, people were celebrating robbery for getting a 1st for Brady back when he was on our second pair and now we want to bring him back for the top pair?

How many years until they’re doing that with Schneider?

 

[Vitto79]

I’m sorry the stats show that Dillon is considerably more physical than Lindgren and has been for years. 2 years for Dillon. 4 years likely for Lindgren

Dillon also stunk 2 yrs ago and just had a bounce back season . Careful what you with for cause he’s more Brendan Smith than a Lindgren replacement

 

[UnSandvich]

Chychrun's also spent most of his time in Ottawa playing on his off side due to their lack of RHD. We've seen in small samples just how good Miller & Fox are together, so I'm unsure why that wouldn't be an option.

And more importantly, we've seen what happened to our lineup when Trouba & Lindgren couldn't go. And it was the best we looked all season.

 

[Vitto79]

Are there any LD ufa to go after ?
Can’t do Skjei again right ?

No point trading Lindgren without a good replacement

Get picks then flip for another LD?