Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[jerseyjinx94]

I like Shea Theodore to pair with Fox. Everyone complains about Lindgren being a terrible partner for Fox.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5486419/2024/05/13/vegas-golden-knights-roster-offseason/

Vegas has been in cap crunches before and they have sold off players for limited returns. MAF. Pacioretty. Reilly Smith for a 3rd.

Drury has flushed most of the Rangers draft pick capital down the toilet. Perhaps the Rangers could move Jones for a 2nd and flip that pick for Theodore. Vince has mentioned other teams like Jones. 2nd round pick. Cheap contract. Jones can play. He didn't look out of place when Trouba was out.

I like Joel Edmundson as a free agent. What will he cost? He was good for the Leafs. Cup experience with the Blues. Played for the Habs when they lost in the Cup final to TB.

If the Rangers make a hockey trade for Trouba, I like Rutta from the Sharks as a replacement. Another big body on D. Cup experience from TB. One year remaining . $2.75M. Theodore has a ring. He has played in so many big playoff games for Vegas. One year. $5.2M.

Drury said yesterday he wants the Rangers to become "a heavier, more physical team".

What took him so long to realize that?

Pretty sure he realized it a long time ago. That’s why he’s been drafting and adding players that play with grit since he was appointed GM.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

What about pairing Skjei with Fox? I think I like that even more than Theodore.

Trade Trouba and Lindgren for draft picks
Chytil and Kakko for Zegras and Gudas
Sign Chris Tanev
Trade Zibanead for a top-6 RW



Kreider-Zegras-RW that was traded for Zibanejad
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Vesey-Goodrow-Othmann
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe
Brodz


Gudas-Fox
K'Andre-Tanev
Jones-Schneider





Prosper

 

[IDvsEGO]

What about pairing Skjei with Fox? I think I like that even more than Theodore.

Trade Trouba and Lindgren for draft picks
Chytil and Kakko for Zegras and Gudas
Sign Chris Tanev
Trade Zibanead and Kakko for a top-6 RW



Kreider-Zegras-RW that was traded for Zibanejad
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Vesey-Goodrow-Othmann
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe
Brodz


Gudas-Fox
K'Andre-Tanev
Jones-Schneider





Prosper

You’ve traded Kakko twice.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What about pairing Skjei with Fox? I think I like that even more than Theodore.

Trade Trouba and Lindgren for draft picks
Chytil and Kakko for Zegras and Gudas
Sign Chris Tanev
Trade Zibanead and Kakko for a top-6 RW



Kreider-Zegras-RW that was traded for Zibanejad
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Vesey-Goodrow-Othmann
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe
Brodz


Gudas-Fox
K'Andre-Tanev
Jones-Schneider





Prosper

Why not both?

 

[Atax]

What about pairing Skjei with Fox? I think I like that even more than Theodore.

Trade Trouba and Lindgren for draft picks
Chytil and Kakko for Zegras and Gudas
Sign Chris Tanev
Trade Zibanead and Kakko for a top-6 RW



Kreider-Zegras-RW that was traded for Zibanejad
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Vesey-Goodrow-Othmann
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe
Brodz


Gudas-Fox
K'Andre-Tanev
Jones-Schneider





Prosper

I never want to see Gudas as a NYR.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPiQ7zyWEAAF0gP?format=jpg&name=large

We need one (or two) of these guys

I never want to see Gudas as a NYR.

We've had Brashear, Carcillo, and other scumbags. Gudas is a tough SOB, crease-clearing defenseman who will pummel the shit out of anyone who messes with Igor. He'd be awesome here.

 

[zlev]

love Skjei in the regular season but he's another guy who stinks in the playoffs

 

[Fitzy]

The thing with rough nosed players is it becomes difficult to disentangle 1) who wants them because they find that kind of play entertaining, and 2) who wants them because they think it gives the team a better chance to win hockey games.

An additional problem is that attitudes re-1) can seep into evaluations of 2) due to motivated reasoning

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

The thing with rough nosed players is it becomes difficult to disentangle 1) who wants them because they find that kind of play entertaining, and 2) who wants them because they think it gives the team a better chance to win hockey games.

An additional problem is that attitudes re-1) can seep into evaluations of 2) due to motivated reasoning

That's a great comment. Imo half the time the Rangers sign such players it's to please fans who like that concept, whether or not it helps win. See Tanner Glass, e.g.

 

[Guyute]

Theodore would be awesome and exactly what we need. I wonder what he would wants for his next contract.

If Vegas thinks Hanifin is better, hopefully that means he would take less than $7 million just by comparison. I’m sure he will want more than that.

 

[kovazub94]

My concern is that we'd pay Chychrun for what he has done and not for what he will do with the Rangers. He won't get significant PP time with the Rangers as long as Fox is healthy. His even strength production is barely higher than Trouba's.

Plus, yes, he is always injured. It will cost us at least a 1st to acquire him and he has never played for a good team. We have no idea if he can actually handle top minutes on a contending team.

He's another Trouba to me. A guy with a reputation as a good player, who will end up getting paid more than he is worth based on numbers he put up on bad teams.

I'd rather look for the next Gustav Forsling. Very hard to find, yes, but I'd rather just keep Lindgren than bring in the wrong guy on a big contract. We've been down that road already.

I hear you and I’m not advocating for Chychrun per se. This is where Drury must earn his big bucks and identity the right target. My thought process that in general if you want to find someone who’s better than Lindgren - this target is likely to be more expensive (which is as I said is fine by me if Drury will find a cheaper option to take Trouba’s reduced role). However, at the same time hoping that he’ll find another Forseling is quite an unrealistic (low probability).

 

[MrAlmost]

Theodore would be the play for sure. Vegas is likely to send McNabb out to a Utah for a pick but that won't be enough money cleared. They have Hanifin and Hague as LD. Lindgren will be cheaper than Theodore and a LD to replace him. Would give us a top LD with Fox and them a 2 LD behind Hanifin.

I dont think Jones is traded. I think they like him for the 3 spot with Trouba. I don't think Trouba is being traded either.

Kakko is likely moved for picks. Maybe also to Utah. We could recoup a lot of the draft capital we lost in trades.

Othmann, Berard and Edstrom in the lineup brings a lot of what we were missing. Tough players willing to engage deep in the zone.

After those moves, the depth chart would be:

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Z-Berard/Othmann
Cuylle-Chytil-Othmann/Berard
Goodrow-Edstrom-Rempe/Vesey

Theodore-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

Need a 7th D. I like De Haan.

I am not sold on Chytil being the type of 3C we need. He is a good player, but we saw how much better it is with a guy like Bennet and Lundell in the middle 6. Chytil isn't playing above Tro and Z, so I would look there for a better matchup guy/faceoffs/deep zone checker. I like Cirelli. Lightning have a 1C and a 3C. They also need money and have a 2C spot open that Chytil may be better suited for while Cirelli plays a little more like what we are looking for.

We could make those 3 moves, bringing in Theodore and Cirelli, and sending out Kakko and likely end up with a more playoff capable lineup, better defense and more draft picks.

 

[bhamill]

What about pairing Skjei with Fox? I think I like that even more than Theodore.

Trade Trouba and Lindgren for draft picks
Chytil and Kakko for Zegras and Gudas
Sign Chris Tanev
Trade Zibanead for a top-6 RW



Kreider-Zegras-RW that was traded for Zibanejad
Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Vesey-Goodrow-Othmann
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe
Brodz


Gudas-Fox
K'Andre-Tanev
Jones-Schneider





Prosper

Zegras is a clear downgrade from Mika. Offensively and ESPECIALLY defensively and he’s not built for the playoffs. He’s a complimentary piece. Why do you think awful ANA is listening on him?

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I never want to see Gudas as a NYR.

Gudas dummied Brady Tkachuk. It would be like us getting Reaves after the Wilson incident.

 

[effen]

You’ve traded Kakko twice.

Not enough times. Trade him again.

 

[Machinehead]

You’ve traded Kakko twice.

He deserves it.

 

[n8]

My offseason game plan is 1) improve the defense, less SOG for Igor 2) largely stick with the same forward group, let them get better, make mid season trades if necessary. 3) Take advantage of value signings but avoid bad contracts on bottom 6 players. Sign them if we can get a good AAV number.

Lindgren + Brodzinski <---> Theodore (via VGK)
Trouba (50% retained) <---> 2024 WSH 2nd, 2025 NYR 2nd (via UTAH)
Sign Dylan DeMelo or Brandon Montour (both good, would take the lower cap player, offer no NMCs, only M-NTC) - backup RDs to fill this spot would be Matt Roy. Maybe Sean Walker.

Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Chytil-Othmann/Berard
Edstrom/Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey

Theodore-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Demelo

Assuming no NMCs are waived
If there are good bottom 6 UFA deals to be made, I would make those and move Goodrow out but I don't want us to essentially sign a bottom 6er to another Goodrow sized contract. That is just trading one bloated contract for another. Taking more of a "let's see how the kids do" approach. Give Kakko half a season to try to put it together before we throw in the towel. See if he can pull a "Lafreniere"

Bottom 6 players to look at though
Dakota Joshua - will probably get overpaid but would take him in the $2M range
Yakov Trenin - same. hits, faceoffs, PKs, perfect bottom 6 type player
Sam Lafferty - another bottom 6 player you can sign if affordable.
Tanner Jeanott - he could be had cheap. could be worth taking a flyer on but I would not take him if TB is trying to get even half of what they paid for him. It has to be a salary dump trade for them. More of a tire kick than a target like the above players.

Top 6 players to investigate (cap has to make sense or bail hard)
Jonathan Marchessault - can we get him on a cheapish 2 year contract? Conn Smythe winner, just saying.
Teuvo Teravainen - similarly, can we get him on a cheapish 5 year contract? Doubtful... Probably not the player we want to target but he could be a Trocheck-esque signing.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Zegras is a clear downgrade from Mika. Offensively and ESPECIALLY defensively and he’s not built for the playoffs. He’s a complimentary piece. Why do you think awful ANA is listening on him?

Mika isn’t built for the playoffs either, his defensive metrics are mediocre, and he’s clearly in decline.

Zegras has room to grow.

 

[bhamill]

Mika isn’t built for the playoffs either, his defensive metrics are mediocre, and he’s clearly in decline.

Zegras has room to grow.

I can’t even IMAGINE Zegras having to go up against Barkov for six games. Hahahaha. If Zegras has massive growth he’s a poor man’s Mika. Again this guy only scored 8 more EV points than Kakko last year… this year he was hurt so we will ignore how bad he was. He’s massively overrated around here because he’s flashy and a shiny new toy. 3 months into the season this fan base would be ROASTING him.
You take a chance on him as a complimentary piece, sure. But to replace Mika? Huge downgrade.

 

[Machinehead]

Zegras sucks

 

[AirGut]

wonder if Cam Fowler will be made available soon

 

[gump116]

My offseason game plan is 1) improve the defense, less SOG for Igor 2) largely stick with the same forward group, let them get better, make mid season trades if necessary. 3) Take advantage of value signings but avoid bad contracts on bottom 6 players. Sign them if we can get a good AAV number.

Same page for me. Think the teams problem against both Carolina and Florida is they couldn’t get the puck out of the zone. That was especially true with Trouba and Lindgren. Would trade them both and Goodrow while we can. Team would have a fair amount of cap space for next year, but would need to keep some of it for the year after when Igor, Laf, and Miller are all due for big raises, so would sign a ufa forward for a 1 year high AAV deal.

Lindgren and the 1st to Vegas for Theodore
Trouba to Detroit for Petry (expiring)
Goodrow for a 4th from someone
Sign Tyler Bertuzzi for 1 year at 6m

Panarin-Zib-Laf
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Cullye-Chytil-Bertuzzi
Vesey-Edstromm-Rempe

Miller-Fox
Theodore-Schneider
Jones-Petry

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Zegras sucks

So does Mika

 

[17futurecap]

 

[Vitto79]

Should of agreed to 90