Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[RangerBlues]

Lindgreen has every right to get paid.

 

[Machinehead]

Lindgreen has every right to get paid.

And so many other teams to choose from!

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Why is Lindgren taking less? He for sure shouldn’t and he won’t. He should sign the max deal he can for himself

Let someone else pay him that max deal.

 

[LOFIN]

People say the kid line was ok but Lafreniere didn't go anywhere near Kakko this year and suddenly he's fixed. I think we have to wonder what effect playing mostly with Kakko had.

Or, someone could say what an effect playing with Panarin had to Laf... I mean Lafreniere didn't play with Kakko most of the time anyways. Laf had played plenty with Zibanejad before, and sucked. Because Zibanejad f***ing sucks, and sucks the life out of everyone in his line. Including Kreider.

 

[Machinehead]

Or, someone could say what an effect playing with Panarin had to Laf... I mean Lafreniere didn't play with Kakko most of the time anyways. Laf had played plenty with Zibanejad before, and sucked. Because Zibanejad f***ing sucks, and sucks the life out of everyone in his line. Including Kreider.

Yeah but Laf was the one driving the line in the playoffs.

 

[NYR Viper]

No way I’m giving Dillon a multi year deal at 33..
I don’t think he’s more physical then Lindy either. He doesn’t exactly play a soft game.
At 26, on a 3/4 even 5 year deal, Lindgren is a trade-able asset for the deals entirety if need be.

How much more cap space are they getting??? Is it enough to add a legit player??? Or the difference of 800k-1 mill?

Theres absolutely no way Lindgren is at the end of the line here in terms of his career at his age….
Yes he has had hard miles/injuries etc…..

Frankly, I’m shocked how many people would rather trade him and sign a relatively unknown ( supposedly better player) for the pretty much the same cap hit for a shorter 1-2 years in term.

Lindgren absolutely plays with his heart on his sleeve and is a popular well liked player by teammates and front office.

some of the trades have the rangers performing an overhaul on a substantial part of the roster to a team that was 2 wins away from competing for the cup.
Panarin is def finishing his deal here. Kreids too.
Over the next 2 seasons we’ll def see some turn around but they aren’t going to take a jacket to this squad over the summer….
The rangers likely deal with the devil they know rather then an older outside UFA that’s going to cost…
If anything goes down beyond trading Kakko and maybe Trouba I’ll be shocked.

You should already see 2-3 kids fill in spots internally…..
The decision on where to deploy chytil if the can’t move him is also big. It determines if the rangers look for a veteran Center or Wing thru UFA or trade market.

Maybe the thinking is if you have both chytil and Kakko, and you have your mind set on keeping him at wing, then Kakko become a redundant piece.
Age/salary/size/skill ( edge to chytil)
In this scenario, Kakko is good as gone for draft capital…..

Trading Lindgren or Chytil this season after ones been injured forever and the other coming off his worst overall season isn’t maximizing the return…..
If that’s the choice, chytil is already signed and has performed better on the ice offensively. Both are still youngish with room to hit another gear.

I just don’t see the logic for the grass is greener mentality on a large part of the roster……

The season after this one is when they make their move…..
Panarin/troubas cap hits gone.
Perrault should debut with the big club, should have a solid cast of guys still on ELCs/2nd deals, and there are some legit high octane game changers in UfA……
That’s the date they should have circled on the calendar

I’m sorry the stats show that Dillon is considerably more physical than Lindgren and has been for years. 2 years for Dillon. 4 years likely for Lindgren

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah but Laf was the one driving the line in the playoffs.

Absolutely, no denying that. But he wasn't fixed by suddenly being away from Kakko. He got fixed by constantly playing with the two best forwards this team has. He got some confidence. And funny how that works with skill.

Like I said, you've clearly made up your mind about Kakko but trying to pinpoint him as the reason why Laf had sucked before this year is getting beyond ridiculous.

 

[JCProdigy]

Kakko is good at literally possessing the puck but I find his possession to be pretty feckless.

If he were just a passenger, that's still an effective player right there with linemates who can score.

Carl Hagelin couldn't score and I would go so far as to say his teams don't win a single round without him.

The trouble is, Kakko tanks his linemates pretty consistently.

People say the kid line was ok but Lafreniere didn't go anywhere near Kakko this year and suddenly he's fixed. I think we have to wonder what effect playing mostly with Kakko had.

It's a chicken and egg situation for me with him...of course eggs aren't really that good on their own and chicken is bland as shit without marinade or frying it so it tracks.

It can be at times, but talk to Joe Schmoe at the Garden and it's like you went into a different sport.

Ah the total cluelessness is endearing to me at this point. It's like listening to a five year old talk about the stock market. Pat pat (head) and give a chocolate.

And so many other teams to choose from!

No, he's talking about Lindgreen, the guy who reseeded his lawn this spring...

 

[Machinehead]

Like, the regular people at work who kind of casually follow the Rangers always say to me "they're too finesse."

And you could say that, but it's a canned response. They said that about the 2014 Rangers. The 2014 Rangers were the hardest working team in the league and bullied teams much bigger than them.

You know it's a canned response because they won't move players who are guilty of that criticism. All the basic bitches love Mika.

 

[Machinehead]

Absolutely, no denying that. But he wasn't fixed by suddenly being away from Kakko. He got fixed by constantly playing with the two best forwards this team has. He got some confidence. And funny how that works with skill.

Like I said, you've clearly made up your mind about Kakko but trying to pinpoint him as the reason why Laf had sucked before this year is getting beyond ridiculous.

Kakko made my mind up about Kakko.

 

[LOFIN]

All the basic bitches love Mika.

The sad part is, there would absolutely be interest around the league for Mika, and I'm not talking about having poor value either. But getting him to waive his NMC is the tricky part, and Chris Drury certainly isn't going to be the one asking since he signed him on that deal.

The no movement clauses in the NHL are a f***ing disease

 

[Tob]

The trick is, it has to be done right. We've tried to add brawn to the finesse players in the past and it's not worked great because the brawn we've added has been the less-than-skilled kind. We need some players who are hard to play against, inside the paint, 16-game players that can actually contribute meaningfully.

Otherwise you end up with Mikko Mikkola in your top 4 and Ben Harpur as your 7th D. We need tougher players throughout the lineup that can make plays. You want the right kind of players who can use speed, size, skill to recover pucks on the power play. Guys who not only finish their checks but can pot 15-25 goals a year. Those players don't grow on trees - the Sam Bennetts of the world. But those are the players you need. Can Dakota Joshua be that? Do we want more skilled and a center? likely. It's going to take some real shrewdness and patience from CD to remake this squad in the right ways while maintaining depth. The cap + existing contracts are making this fine-tuning of the roster very challenging because you're looking to the exact same players the rest of the league are looking for. I don't see how CD can fix this in one summer without overpaying and I think our depth in our system and draft picks is somewhat finite. We're not flush with prospects and picks. We're not flush with tons of tradeable assets on the roster.

And if you go out and get a guy like Zadorov for instance (which i'm not advocating for one way or the other) is he mobile, skilled and good enough defensively to be in a top 4 role? Will he become our next Trouba in 2-3 years? Is Brett Pesce good enough to consider? Would he be waaaay too pricey?

Lots of difficult decisions....

adding brawn to finesse has always been a bad idea unless they're talented plus brawn. leafs adding reaves cus marner and matthews are regular season players is futile. They did add bertuzzi and domi or whoever else to get tougher in their scoring lines but that didn't work either.

you can't add brawn to marners and matthews or zibanejad or panarin. troch and laffy killed it but panarin was still a perimeter player. you can't get our guys to go to the net and drive the lane no matter who you add. if you can't change the core, add the most talented all around players to the b6 and hope they and depth a few wins in the POs. i'd like some guys that can score a bit and are okay sized and not p***yes. jesper fast did that pretty well for us.

 

[pld459666]

I think we are plenty big/strong.

We lack the acumen to play between the circles and in front of the net.

That's where we need to improve.

 

[EdJovanovski]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799168697929457673

LOL
Rempe is very focused this offseason

 

[Atax]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799168697929457673

LOL
Rempe is very focused this offseason

I genuinely don't get how people cant hate this kid. The main boards are such a cesspool. He's going to get stronger on his feet and in general. Good luck NHL.

 

[Kords]

I genuinely don't get how people cant hate this kid. The main boards are such a cesspool. He's going to get stronger on his feet and in general. Good luck NHL.

If they think they hate Trouba, wait till they get a load of Rempe 2.0 next season. He’s gonna be the most hated Ranger by the clown brigade, aka rival fanbases. I cannot wait.

 

[CTTribe73]

Drury gave voice to the sentiment we all share:

NO ONE IS SAFE.

 

[17futurecap]

Why am I going to believe Lindgren is going away from Fox when I just saw them paired with one guy on one knee and the other with a cracked rib?

Pull the Bandaid and fix this horrendous defense.

 

[JCProdigy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799168697929457673

LOL
Rempe is very focused this offseason

Nah, it's just she's a NY six. Even as a 4th liner, he's got enough clout now that he may not be picking from Victoria Secrets' catalog but he's picking from their best friends...

 

[AirGut]

Imagine this team right now as constructed with a high-mileage cup grizzled Ryan McDonagh in place of Ryan Lindgren.

Drury needs to make a f***ing upgrade on the blueline it's really now or never and when you look at how both EDM & FLA have both improved their own top-4 these past 2 years it really makes you wonder how much different things could've been had we had that extra D support. I'm convinced that's THE ONE move this franchise needs in order to compete in a Cup Finals.

 

[MrAlmost]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799168697929457673

LOL
Rempe is very focused this offseason

How do you think he got that "eye infection"?

 

[effen]

I genuinely don't get how people cant hate this kid. The main boards are such a cesspool. He's going to get stronger on his feet and in general. Good luck NHL.

They're morons.

 

[haohmaru]

You say that but Buffalo just moved Eichel like 2 seasons ago.

It happens.

Who is that player right now? Give me Drury's rolodex and I'll tell you in a week.

Eichel wanted to get off of a sinking ship. The Rangers aren't that.

 

[haohmaru]

We got beat by Florida's bottom 6?

All their goals were scored by Reinhart, Verhaege and Bennett.

Their top 6 definitely beat ours.

I agree the EASIEST way to try to patch holes and re-up is to try to move out Trouba and fix the D.

But Mika will still be an actual problem. It's a problem they'd be wise to TRY to fix. If they can't, they can't. They can definitely do something about defense. But 1C should be a problem they TRY to fix.

We lost because of our special teams. And that's the beginning and end of the story.

Igor carried the mail and the power play and PK couldn't deliver. 1 out of, what, 15? If they performed at 20% that's 2 goals and that's the series. Same for the PK. If that functions at their "normal" level then the Panthers score 2 less PP goals. Again, the series.

Combined, it's why we lost.

 

[huerter]

The sad part is, there would absolutely be interest around the league for Mika, and I'm not talking about having poor value either. But getting him to waive his NMC is the tricky part, and Chris Drury certainly isn't going to be the one asking since he signed him on that deal.

The no movement clauses in the NHL are a f***ing disease

If you don't want to give out NMCs then give more money.