Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[DialUp]

Shout out to Drury saying a whole lot of nothing

Dude, that was a scathing comment by Drury.

 

[bobbop]

Anyone expecting much from Drury were certainly disappointed. The rest of us knew what he would say. No crumbs for the board

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Despite Drury’s platitudes, I think there’s an off chance Trouba gets traded .

But I think we’re doomed to resigning Lindgren.

I don’t think anyone outside of HFNYR realizes how awful he is.

Caveman Rangers fans love him because he bleeds a lot, and the rest of the league just assumes he’s good because plays with Fox on the top pair of a top team .

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Are the opinions posted here on Drury’s presser based on a few tweets or were they based on posters who were there this afternoon.
Lot of conjecture, if it is the former.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Despite Drury’s platitudes, I think there’s an off chance Trouba gets traded .

But I think we’re doomed to resigning Lindgren.

I don’t think anyone outside of HFNYR realizes how awful he is.

Caveman Rangers fans love him because he bleeds a lot, and the rest of the league just assumes he’s good because plays with Fox on the top pair of a top team .

If think Lindgren has become overhated on this board and I’d be happy to keep him if he plays on the bottom pair and is paid like a bottom pair D, as long as Trouba is moved

 

[NYR Viper]

If think Lindgren has become overhated on this board and I’d be happy to keep him if he plays on the bottom pair and is paid like a bottom pair D, as long as Trouba is moved

He won’t be paid like a bottom pairing guy though. That’s the problem. He’ll get $4m+ which is enough to pay and entire bottom pairing. Jones is likely also the bottom-paring LD which means Lindgren will be a top-4 guy unless we think Jones is never getting an opportunity

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I’m gonna take exactly nothing away from Drury’s press conference as expected…no way he was going to even potentially tip his hand. Not his MO at all.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Lindgren is never going to be a 3rd pairing defenseman here. That idea needs to be scrapped. He’s either on the top pair or traded for an upgrade.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

If think Lindgren has become overhated on this board and I’d be happy to keep him if he plays on the bottom pair and is paid like a bottom pair D, as long as Trouba is moved

So you think he's going to take a pay cut from his current salary?

 

[jay from jersey]

Henrique was barely played for Edmonton. Florida traded a 3rd and a 4th to rent Tarasenko who playing on the 3rd line.

Tara had a full NMC.

He forced himself to FLA, similar to Kane/NYR last year…

Players on the open market are way different price wise.
Pacioretty wouldn’t waive to com here at TDL…..

Wings are also the cheapest to acquire as a whole…
Centers and D command quite a bit more at the TDL.

I have no problem trading for rentals. Most teams are usually so close to the cap they can’t afford to make the deal until the deadline kicks in and cap rules less meaningful.

What I don’t like is giving up 1sts for a straight up rental. Even a 2nd can be pushing it, depending on the draft year/player you’re getting in return.

 

[Daves a mess]

Lou Lameriello gives more substance than Chris does to the media.

It's like asking a dead man how comfy his casket is.

 

[jay from jersey]

Lindgren is never going to be a 3rd pairing defenseman here. That idea needs to be scrapped. He’s either on the top pair or traded for an upgrade.

same could be said for Trouba….
But Lavi dropped him and continued on with Miller-Schneider.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

same could be said for Trouba….
But Lavi dropped him and continued on with Miller-Schneider.

How much of that was driven by Trouba coming back late in the year from injury though?

I think one of the big reasons why Lindgren was never moved off of Fox is that you literally cannot play him with anyone else with out exposing your team to the plague.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

same could be said for Trouba….
But Lavi dropped him and continued on with Miller-Schneider.

I really don't like Trouba, but Lindgren is way worse than him. IMO he's like a borderline guy that should be with the Wolfpack. He sucks and has for years now.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Tara had a full NMC.

He forced himself to FLA, similar to Kane/NYR last year…

Players on the open market are way different price wise.
Pacioretty wouldn’t waive to com here at TDL…..

Wings are also the cheapest to acquire as a whole…
Centers and D command quite a bit more at the TDL.

I have no problem trading for rentals. Most teams are usually so close to the cap they can’t afford to make the deal until the deadline kicks in and cap rules less meaningful.

What I don’t like is giving up 1sts for a straight up rental. Even a 2nd can be pushing it, depending on the draft year/player you’re getting in return.

Im not a huge fan of taking big swings like A prospects or 1st rounders.
Usually if you’re taking a swing like that your team has a major flaw.
That being said, replacing an injured player, with someone who you’re sure will be successful in that role, would be a reason, especially during the closing of a window.

 

[huerter]

Mel aint letting Lindgren leave. It's moot. Just gonna have to cope with having a warrior on our team.

 

[jay from jersey]

If think Lindgren has become overhated on this board and I’d be happy to keep him if he plays on the bottom pair and is paid like a bottom pair D, as long as Trouba is moved

This. Some are just nuts.
Lindgren as a whole is not a terrible Defenseman by any means.
Guy had a bad season ( his 1st btw) and now he’s persona non grata…..

It’s not about thinking he’s good or “ better then he is”
But when you add up all factors
-age
-next contract term/length
- how his team mates view him
- key cog on PK.
- can play up in line up on all 3 pairs for periods of time to cover injury
- other teams players don’t like playing against him.
-etc etc

For the $$ he’s going to get, your really not going to find anyone of similar age/contract that’s going to be a better fit

I see some pinning for a 32 year old Dillion or Demelo…. There have been seasons where they have also had bad years… just not last season…. Those guys also have warts.

People had their torches/pitchforks out for Goodrow literally all f***in season…..
Now after a strong playoff, not a peep.

It’s one thing to want to upgrade the top pair.
For many reasons, fine..
But cutting Lindy loose isn’t the right decision either.
1 season Is not a guys entire body of work….
And to think Lindgren doesn’t regain his form or better especially in a decreased role shifting to 3rd pair, you’re out to lunch.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If think Lindgren has become overhated on this board and I’d be happy to keep him if he plays on the bottom pair and is paid like a bottom pair D, as long as Trouba is moved

The problem is they won’t move him down to the bottom pair like they should. Just like they won’t split up Zib and Kreider.


Need to save the coach from himself and get rid of these players altogether

 

[huerter]

The problem is they won’t move him down to the bottom pair like they should. Just like they won’t split up Zib and Kreider.


Need to save the coach from himself and get rid of these players altogether

How bout just don't number pairs.

 

[McRanger92]

I like what Drury said. Nothing is off the table with the core guys. Wasn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of Trouba’s play either. Good signs

 

[McRanger92]

He won’t be paid like a bottom pairing guy though. That’s the problem. He’ll get $4m+ which is enough to pay and entire bottom pairing. Jones is likely also the bottom-paring LD which means Lindgren will be a top-4 guy unless we think Jones is never getting an opportunity

I’ll gladly give Lindgren 4.5 x 3 if the can replace Trouba with a legit #1 left D. Worst case he’s an LTIR guy

 

[LeetchisGod]

The problem is they won’t move him down to the bottom pair like they should. Just like they won’t split up Zib and Kreider.


Need to save the coach from himself and get rid of these players altogether

Agreed. Every recent ranger coach has overplayed crappy players.

 

[jay from jersey]

The more and more I think about Chytil and his situation here, the more I think him seeing the center ice position full time anymore may not exist…
I’m in the group that says trade him and his cap hit to recoup picks……
But he’s still signed for a few more seasons. The FO likely doesn’t want to sell low on him, but he also can’t be counted on to be a 2A/2B/3C, however ya wana label it.

Say nyr trades Kakko for picks, Lavi likely permanently keeps chytil on the wing in order to throw $$ at a C or Trade for one…
He still has talent, but say he goes down again, finding another wing at the deadline/during the year will be far cheaper they trying to go after another Center.
Stephenson being a UFA is interesting.
So is Ross Colton likely being let go by Aves….
If chytil can’t shake the injury risk label( for years now) this is probably lavis best course of action….
Say he has a great year as a top 9 wing, maybe they continue to role with it, or trade him for more assets
When presumably Perrault/sykora/Chmelar are all on the cusp in 2 seasons……

it’s going to be really really interesting to see how they navigate this entire situation.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He won’t be paid like a bottom pairing guy though. That’s the problem. He’ll get $4m+ which is enough to pay and entire bottom pairing. Jones is likely also the bottom-paring LD which means Lindgren will be a top-4 guy unless we think Jones is never getting an opportunity

So you think he's going to take a pay cut from his current salary?

I think it's within the realm of possibility. If there's one player who's willing to sacrifice himself and take a "cut" for the Rangers it would be Lindgren. I'm sure he'd love to win a cup here with his childhood bestfriend. I don't think he would get some big pay day testing the market, I'm sure he is viewed as largely a product of Fox by GM's around the league. We demoted our captain to the 3rd pair, I'm sure we could demote Lindgren.

Theodore - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Lindgren - xxx

I would much prefer that over

Miller - Fox
Jones - Schneider
Gustafsson - Trouba

I know everyone is obsessed with Jones but I don't honestly get the impression that our front office is as crazy about him as fans are. Especially with what's being said by Drury, Brooks, etc that it seems the mandate is that we need to get bigger & tougher

 

[jay from jersey]

I think it's within the realm of possibility. If there's one player who's willing to sacrifice himself and take a "cut" for the Rangers it would be Lindgren. I'm sure he'd love to win a cup here with his childhood bestfriend. I don't think he would get some big pay day testing the market, I'm sure he is viewed as largely a product of Fox by GM's around the league. We demoted our captain to the 3rd pair, I'm sure we could demote Lindgren.

Theodore - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Lindgren - xxx

I would much prefer that over

Miller - Fox
Jones - Schneider
Gustafsson - Trouba

I know everyone is obsessed with Jones but I don't honestly get the impression that our front office is as crazy about him as fans are. Especially with what's being said by Drury, Brooks, etc that it seems the mandate is that we need to get bigger & tougher

Agree with everything….

Even if he’s only getting a small increase in salary, his partners will likely be on ELC or 1.5 mill and under.

Perfectly feasible when taking into account Lindgren could play up on 1st/2nd pair if need be due to injury…..
He’s the type of guy you would really like on 3rd pair as a solid mentor and he should get over used or over exposed……

The only thing we don’t agree on is jones. At the beginning of the season during his 1st call up he was overmatched physically. I was all over him. I saw another Lundkvist type. Good at offense, but will get caved in physically the farther the season goes on and into playoffs.

His 2nd call up really sealed it for me. His offense was a tick faster, as was his decision making moving the puck. He also didn’t look like a boy against me physically like he did early… he wasn’t just holding his own, but he was actually solid and strong on both ends…. He is also making peanuts..
IMO, this kid has absolutely deserved his moment. He should without a doubt be a starter on third pair and run the point on 2PP.
The transition game should be a bit better with him there as well….

Playing him on 3rd pair let’s FortescueMancinni another year to cook,

If FO feels they need more size and sandpaper I have no problem with them looking for a top 9 Wing and a 3rd pair Right/Left D opposed to top 6 needle mover wingers and top 4 D….

Those are the costs that really hurt.
Imo, jones earned this opportunity for himself.