Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[McRanger92]

He has leverage via arbitration. A 1-year arbitration award would bring him to free agency, and we wouldn't be able to trade him before then.

The minimum award for the team to walk away is 4.74 mil, which Lindgren almost certainly won't get, so we'd be stuck with him on an immovable 1-year contract.

He can play on the arbitration award and walk next summer if he wants. The cap space and spot in the lineup he'd free up is valuable enough by itself. he chose a bad time to have the worst season of his career imo.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

“I knew it was going to be a tough matchup,” Zibanejad said. “I just tried to create offense, and the way I'm wired, if I don't get any offense, then I want to make sure that I close it down defensively. Five-on-five, I don’t think they scored a goal against us, either. So, we kind of canceled each other out.

Can the Rangers win a Stanley Cup with Mika Zibanejad as their top center?

The Blueshirts need more out of Mika Zibanejad if they're ever going to break through in the playoffs.

www.lohud.com

Such an infuriating quote. Yea dude, in the Panthers series at 5 on 5 you were outshot 67-23 and high danger chances were 26-10 but give yourself a big ol pat on the back. Igor had a 0.970 when he was on the ice.

 

[EdJovanovski]

It is mind boggling at best . They certainly are blind to it and what he brings every shift ! Oh well....it is what it is LOL.....

I remember watching that game near the end of the season vs the Devils, never seen a player play that possessed.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Such an infuriating quote. Yea dude, in the Panthers series at 5 on 5 you were outshot 67-23 and high danger chances were 26-10 but give yourself a big ol pat on the back. Igor had a 0.970 when he was on the ice.

God I hate this guy

 

[Gardner McKay]

If they sign Lindgren to a long term extension can we officially call the Nash deal by Gorton to Boston a failure?

Only with the most revisionist of revisonist history in play.

 

[MrAlmost]

Tkachuk is only a good idea if you are keeping the top 6 and adding him to it on RW. Otherwise you are still rocking 5 guys to do a 6 man job.

Also, it won't cost Laf. These trade, when they do happen, never happen for the package you think. Chytil, Lindgren, Kakko or Othmann(depending on if they want someone now or someone to work on) and our 1st. These packages are never as big as fans try to make it out to be.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Brady Tkachuk is going to see his brother celebrating a Cup parade in South Beach and probably immediately request a trade. Ottawa looking to dump Chychrun isnt the sign of a team that realistically thinks they are winning anything. It's also not like these rumors are coming out of nowhere. His exit interview for the Sens wasnt exactly committal either.

Problem is, I think Ottawa will want Lafreniere in the event they are moving Tkachuk.

Probably. I know it’s not exact, but IMO, the EICHEL trade is pretty close to the template. And BUF didn’t get anyone back with LAF’s pedigree, so OTT shouldn’t either.

CHYTIL being a question mark really blows, because a healthy-CHYTIL/KAKKO/OTHMANN/1st/conditional 2nd +/- some tweaking is kinda close to the EICHEL price.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Brady Tkachuk is absolutely criminally underrated by some of you guys jeez

I think most people want him on this team but most people, including myself, aren't trading a 22yo 1OA pick budding star in a package to get him. If the return starts with Laf then it's just a fantasy.

 

[McRanger92]

Tkachuk is only a good idea if you are keeping the top 6 and adding him to it on RW. Otherwise you are still rocking 5 guys to do a 6 man job.

Also, it won't cost Laf. These trade, when they do happen, never happen for the package you think. Chytil, Lindgren, Kakko or Othmann(depending on if they want someone now or someone to work on) and our 1st. These packages are never as big as fans try to make it out to be.

Tkachuk is 24 and signed for 3 more years. Start with Perrault and Schneider and go from there. 2-3 more assets on top of those 2.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Tkachuk is only a good idea if you are keeping the top 6 and adding him to it on RW. Otherwise you are still rocking 5 guys to do a 6 man job.

Also, it won't cost Laf. These trade, when they do happen, never happen for the package you think. Chytil, Lindgren, Kakko or Othmann(depending on if they want someone now or someone to work on) and our 1st. These packages are never as big as fans try to make it out to be.

Haha - that’s you beat me by 1 minute!

 

[McRanger92]

Probably. I know it’s not exact, but IMO, the EICHEL trade is pretty close to the template. And BUF didn’t get anyone back with LAF’s pedigree, so OTT shouldn’t either.

CHYTIL being a question mark really blows, because a healthy-CHYTIL/KAKKO/OTHMANN/1st/conditional 2nd +/- some tweaking is kinda close to the EICHEL price.

Nah Eichel had a ton of uncertainty with his back and the Sabres foolishly walled off the Rangers, who were one of only 2-3 serious contenders for Eichel. I dont think that's a good comparison, they couldve gotten more. Every team in the league will have interest i Tkachuk and he doesnt have trade protection until next July 1. Ottawa can trade him anywhere, they dont have to fulfill his wishes (im assuing here) to go to a Cup contender. Its going to be a haul.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Tkachuk is 24 and signed for 3 more years. Start with Perrault and Schneider and go from there. 2-3 more assets on top of those 2.

The last thing we need is to weaken the defense even more. Schneider was arguably their second best dman this year.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Nah Eichel had a ton of uncertainty with his back and the Sabres foolishly walled off the Rangers, who were one of only 2-3 serious contenders for Eichel. I dont think that's a good comparison, they couldve gotten more. Every team in the league will have interest i Tkachuk and he doesnt have trade protection until next July 1. Ottawa can trade him anywhere, they dont have to fulfill his wishes (im assuing here) to go to a Cup contender. Its going to be a haul.

Ahh, ok. I thought he had a NMC.

 

[McRanger92]

The last thing we need is to weaken the defense even more. Schneider was arguably their second best dman this year.

He's not untouchable for Tkachuk. I like him a lot but to get a guy of that caliber is going to hurt. Laf is the only guy off the table for me in a hypothetical trade. Id try to get OTT to take Miller instead.

 

[MrAlmost]

Tkachuk is 24 and signed for 3 more years. Start with Perrault and Schneider and go from there. 2-3 more assets on top of those 2.

Nah Eichel had a ton of uncertainty with his back and the Sabres foolishly walled off the Rangers, who were one of only 2-3 serious contenders for Eichel. I dont think that's a good comparison, they couldve gotten more. Every team in the league will have interest i Tkachuk and he doesnt have trade protection until next July 1. Ottawa can trade him anywhere, they dont have to fulfill his wishes (im assuing here) to go to a Cup contender. Its going to be a haul.

Aside from the injury, the same question marks for Eichel are there for Tkachuk. Is he a winner? Can he do what it takes to win when the games get tough? Is he selfish? Lockeroom cancer?

These were the big issues I saw people discussing about Eichel before the trade. They concerned me more than the neck, though that gave me pause as well.

Also, the every team will be in on him thing doesn't matter. He won't want to go anywhere that isn't a cup contender and a team that has cap space to fit him in. Pretty much leaves us, Carolina and Boston. I can see Carolina getting him and then we have to watch him push our shit in for 10 years.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

He's not untouchable for Tkachuk. I like him a lot but to get a guy of that caliber is going to hurt. Laf is the only guy off the table for me in a hypothetical trade. Id try to get OTT to take Miller instead.

Opening offer should be Chytil Lindgren Othmann 1st and 2nd. And from there you can replace or add guys but in no way should they be moving Laf, Perreault, or Schneider. I’d budge on Perreault or Schneider if I had to but it would probably require me to take certain guys out of the deal. Like I’m not giving Perreault and Othmann, nor am I giving Schneider AND Chytil/Lindgren. And I’m not giving Schneider and Perreault. You can’t forget that you’ll need players on cheap deals contributing in a salary cap world.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

He's not untouchable for Tkachuk. I like him a lot but to get a guy of that caliber is going to hurt. Laf is the only guy off the table for me in a hypothetical trade. Id try to get OTT to take Miller instead.

The last thing this team needs is to weaken the already weakest position group on the team. I don't care if they are trading for McDavid. Priority Number 1 this off season should be how can they make that group better and trading a young top 4 Dman is not the answer to the teams woes. If they don't find a way to revamp this d group then they just aren't going to get over the hump.

 

[McRanger92]

Aside from the injury, the same question marks for Eichel are there for Tkachuk. Is he a winner? Can he do what it takes to win when the games get tough? Is he selfish? Lockeroom cancer?

These were the big issues I saw people discussing about Eichel before the trade. They concerned me more than the neck, though that gave me pause as well.

Also, the every team will be in on him thing doesn't matter. He won't want to go anywhere that isn't a cup contender and a team that has cap space to fit him in. Pretty much leaves us, Carolina and Boston. I can see Carolina getting him and then we have to watch him push our shit in for 10 years.

These are all questions asked by teams that are going to miss out on a great player. Eichel wasnt a winner, then he was magically. Matt Tkachuk never won a thing with Calgary, but lo and behold he got to a good team and won. Those are media narrative talking points that history shows can be ignored. Our locker room is full of Lady Byng wannabees who were content with their game in the conference finals. They need a fire lit under their asses. At least you know youre getting 100% intensity from Brady every time he comes over the boards. Think about what that does for a guy like Lafreniere? Pair them up long term and we've got something cooking. The current core showed us their cards. It's not good enough.

There's always a million reasons not to do something, but risk takers win Cups in this league and thats not a new development.

 

[Bruner4329]

Not sure I understand all these trade proposals with Chytil a part of the deal. I can't imagine him having a lot of value right now with his career in question. At a minimum you would think he would need to prove he is healthy over at least half a season before value can be reestablished. Big risk for someone to trade for him, especially giving up someone like a Brady T.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really like Tkachuk, but paying the price for him is not possible for a team devoid of that many high end assets. Drury and his team should be scouring the UFA pool for 2-3 key pieces that fit the need of the team. They need a few guys who are more than willing to engage physically and get to the hard areas of the ice. Dakota Joshua would be a good start.

 

[McRanger92]

I really like Tkachuk, but paying the price for him is not possible for a team devoid of that many high end assets. Drury and his team should be scouring the UFA pool for 2-3 key pieces that fit the need of the team. They need a few guys who are more than willing to engage physically and get to the hard areas of the ice. Dakota Joshua would be a good start.

There's 1 team in the league better than us. What future are we hoarding assets for? Igor is getting 11mil+. Laf with PPG season is getting 8-9mil+. We have 1 year left before the bill comes due. I know you mean well but saying we should keep our assets and forgo a guy like Tkachuk in favor of Dakota Joshua (who i like) is essentially the "We have food at home" meme

Not sure I understand all these trade proposals with Chytil a part of the deal. I can't imagine him having a lot of value right now with his career in question. At a minimum you would think he would need to prove he is healthy over at least half a season before value can be reestablished. Big risk for someone to trade for him, especially giving up someone like a Brady T.

Probably would need to be included in any large deal strictly for cap space.

 

[MrAlmost]

These are all questions asked by teams that are going to miss out on a great player. Eichel wasnt a winner, then he was magically. Matt Tkachuk never won a thing with Calgary, but lo and behold he got to a good team and won. Those are media narrative talking points that history shows can be ignored. Our locker room is full of Lady Byng wannabees who were content with their game in the conference finals. They need a fire lit under their asses. At least you know youre getting 100% intensity from Brady every time he comes over the boards. Think about what that does for a guy like Lafreniere? Pair them up long term and we've got something cooking. The current core showed us their cards. It's not good enough.

There's always a million reasons not to do something, but risk takers win Cups in this league and thats not a new development.

Oh I'm not saying I think that. I would trade for him. Everyone is "not a winner" until suddenly they are. But there are people that will say that, right or wrong, true or untrue.

I'm just saying, I don't think the package required to get him will be as high as you think. However, I also do not think he is available.

And under no circumstances would I trade Perreault. He is a RW version of Panarin, which makes him the perfect RW for Laf when Panarin leaves and Laf goes back to LW. Laf-Tro-Perreault. Even rhymes when you say it out loud like that.

 

[DanielBrassard]

“I knew it was going to be a tough matchup,” Zibanejad said. “I just tried to create offense, and the way I'm wired, if I don't get any offense, then I want to make sure that I close it down defensively. Five-on-five, I don’t think they scored a goal against us, either. So, we kind of canceled each other out.

Can the Rangers win a Stanley Cup with Mika Zibanejad as their top center?

The Blueshirts need more out of Mika Zibanejad if they're ever going to break through in the playoffs.

www.lohud.com

The answer is a resounding no. To the question posed.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Even if they split Kreider and Zibanejad, which I have extreme doubts that they would even consider it, they’d be back together at the first sign of poor play and never be broken up again

They'd probably pull a Koufax/Drysdale hold out if separated.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Probably. I know it’s not exact, but IMO, the EICHEL trade is pretty close to the template. And BUF didn’t get anyone back with LAF’s pedigree, so OTT shouldn’t either.

CHYTIL being a question mark really blows, because a healthy-CHYTIL/KAKKO/OTHMANN/1st/conditional 2nd +/- some tweaking is kinda close to the EICHEL price.

As many people have remarked: This is New York.....hockey is different here.