Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

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He played 63 regular season+playoff games....
Hence not a full 82- game workload…
By all means count it if you want… but that year he had a revolving door of partners and was noticeably gassed by playoff time.
Still didn’t think he was terrible, but def not up the the standards he’s playing as now.
Still so much room to improve.

Much like jones establishing he can hang this season, next year is the 1st true test
 
Hence not a full 82- game workload…
By all means count it if you want… but that year he had a revolving door of partners and was noticeably gassed by playoff time.
Still didn’t think he was terrible, but def not up the the standards he’s playing as now.
Still so much room to improve.

Much like jones establishing he can hang this season, next year is the 1st true test

So by your account next year will be Chytil's rookie season since he has yet to play a full 82 game workload? How many games is enough to count? Because if 63 isn't then I don't know what is.
 
So by your account next year will be Chytil's rookie season since he has yet to play a full 82 game workload?
Who knows what chytil can produce over a full 82.
He can’t be counted on to play a full year. I think people penciling in the starting roster as such are going to be in for a rude awakening..
Chytil has showed times where he’s exhibited talent and stretches where he’s played well, and stretches where he hasn’t.
I’m talking about a regular normal dependable NHL regular.

I don’t see chytil as part of the solution here tbh
 
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Kakko can still make it with us but 1) he needs to sign an affordable contract extension. A low AAV Kakko should still be better than a lot of what's out there on the market. 2) he is able to play a full injury free season (or two) with consistent linemates. 3) Either he is elevating his play, or one of his linemates is improving to the point where they can elevate his play. 4) Confidence. This kid needs it bad. You can see the swagger Laf has gotten, not just from consistent ice time with Tro & Pan, but he's more physical, he's making dangles he never used to. It's easy to see. 5) Rangers are patient. If we win the cup this year, that could buy a lot of patience from above. If we are still aggressively in a 'win-now' no matter the cost management mindset, then I can see his development suffer. 6) One of the young guns doesn't outplay him in camp and takes his spot. That's a lot of factors!

I think if you keep K'Andre away from Trouba, he's going to make those steps forward. What could cost Key his spot in NY could be his cap hit. If he's pushing for too high of a number, that puts pressure on the cap and could make him a cap casualty.

You will not get a Tkachuk/Huberdeau type of trade with Panarin/Zibanejad as they both have FULL NMC for the entirety of their contracts. You'd have to force them out in a way that I don't think I've seen from a NY GM. Like Wade Redden was the closest thing I can think of but they buried him and his cap, they didn't really get him out of the organization.

I think Michael Peca deserves a lot of credit for out improved faceoff %
Can't say what Phil Housley has contributed.
Lavis system counts on D- men to be active…. Smart time pinches( which we def don’t always see), guys stepping up and joining the rush, etc
They count on their D to be a big part of the offense.
It’s a lot of the reason why Gus had success here, especially early on in the season. It was a system he was familiar with because he played it under Lavi in Washington.
It’s a system he’s won with. Housley is a big part of it too. You can debate some of our guys are miscast/don’t have the offensive chops/brain/whatever etc…
But this is a pretty young team, especially on the backend that is fresh off being a top ( top 3 best) team in the league running this system after 1 freaking year….
How bout a little freaking patience? Or leeway for guys going from Quinn to gallant to Lavi in a short amount of time…..
For the most part, what I see here is that the guys have bought in and are trying to implement it the best way they can.
The effort has certainly been there for 95%-98% of the team all season/playoffs sans a few ghost/gutless appearances from our top guys when we’ve needed them to step up.

EDM had Years of playoff failure coming up as a young squad too. They look to be finally having everything come full circle….
Fla too. Canes, etc. the point I’m making is this isn’t just a 1 year run for this team.
If they can somehow get to the cup and win, awesome, but this team will likely be tweaked and back competing for the cup with the leagues best 4-6 teams next year as well.

I think peca has been great. Allaire is a miracle worker. Turning guys like raanta/talbot/pavilec into solid back ups
Housely should be given some credit here as well.

I think Jones in for Gus over a full season should pay dividends offensively.
Him being able to man the Point on PP2 should make the team more dangerous in that aspect as well.
Replacing Trouba with a better overall D will also go a long way.
Lindgren, I’m not sure. Certainly a down year, but I still think he’s an asset here in a decreased role. He’s mobile enough and smart enough to contribute in this system. He may not rack up the points, but he shouldn’t be a liability either. I guess we’ll see what the future holds.
 
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Skjei's an interesting one, we saw him in the playoffs. Like just about any other player he has his warts. If we're talking about a Lindgren replacement, Skjei is a bit more competent with the puck, he's bigger, he's somehow become a decent goal scorer.

Provorov is an option I like. 1 year left, very cheap. He hasn't played on many good teams. At one point he was looking like a top pairing guy, I think you could argue that the talent's there. He went from a bunch of shitty Philly teams to an even worse Columbus team. He's one of those guys that seems like he could really take off on the right team.

Chychrun finally had a healthy season. I've liked the player for years, but his durability is a giant question mark. Depending on the ask its a risk that might be worth looking at. Not a question about his talent, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Maybe this year is a start.

Michael Matherson in Montreal would be an under the radar pick up. 2 more years, under 5 mil per. He's not going to play major PP minutes like he has the past 2 seasons in Montreal where he's blown up. Considering this team is middle of the pack at scoring 5v5 having another guy on the backend that can make a play would be nice. I don't know that he'd fetch a ton either, people have been talking about shopping Kakko... the JG connection is there in MTL.

Guys like Fowler and Krug are on the older side but could be a good stopgap.
 
Cuylle, Vesey, and Kakko shouldn't be playing above 4th line.
I'd take Cuylle over Kakko and Vesey on the 3rd line. At least he has a motor and can play physical. Plus I'm positive he can become a 3rd line PITA player.

Vesey needs to become the 13th forward and Kakko needs to be liquidated.
 
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Cullye is going to improve as soon as next season and get more responsibility (PK and a little more PP2 time). He's the Rangers version of Matthew Knies.

I figured I'd cheat since the prospect thread gets very little action. I keep reading that the next wave of D-men in our system are Manicini and Fortescue they're 5th and 3rd rounders respectively. Do they have top 4 upside and what kind of game do they play?
Both are big and can skate. I don't know how much offense either had but they can be the modern version of the "bad cop"/upgrades in speed over Trouba/Lindgren.
 
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Skjei's an interesting one, we saw him in the playoffs. Like just about any other player he has his warts. If we're talking about a Lindgren replacement, Skjei is a bit more competent with the puck, he's bigger, he's somehow become a decent goal scorer.

Provorov is an option I like. 1 year left, very cheap. He hasn't played on many good teams. At one point he was looking like a top pairing guy, I think you could argue that the talent's there. He went from a bunch of shitty Philly teams to an even worse Columbus team. He's one of those guys that seems like he could really take off on the right team.

Chychrun finally had a healthy season. I've liked the player for years, but his durability is a giant question mark. Depending on the ask its a risk that might be worth looking at. Not a question about his talent, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Maybe this year is a start.

Michael Matherson in Montreal would be an under the radar pick up. 2 more years, under 5 mil per. He's not going to play major PP minutes like he has the past 2 seasons in Montreal where he's blown up. Considering this team is middle of the pack at scoring 5v5 having another guy on the backend that can make a play would be nice. I don't know that he'd fetch a ton either, people have been talking about shopping Kakko... the JG connection is there in MTL.

Guys like Fowler and Krug are on the older side but could be a good stopgap.

The Ranges get Fowler and continue the "2010 draft apology" tour.

Can you imagine a mega trade involving Fowler/Vatrano for Kakko, Trouba, Rangers 2024 first, and some combination of B-Tier prospects?
 
Get younger, faster and better with the puck. I'd like to see some moves made.

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Z-Othmann
Cuylle-Zegras-Berard
Goodrow-Edstrom-Vesey
Rempe

Chychrun-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba
7th D(With this lineup there is 1.8ish to spend here)

Igor
Quick

Be bold. Take a chance. Out: Lindgren, Chytil, Kakko, our 1st and maybe another prospect like Lamb.

This would also finally give us a real second powerplay unit if they won't break up the top unit.

Cuylle
Laf-Zegras-Othmann
Chychrun

I just wanna see some new guys. Set off some fireworks.
 
Yea I think he's likely get a 1st round pick just like Skjei did where Trouba probably has very little value given his contract and would be almost impossible to deal without taking salary back.



It was his third season. And if there's one thing I definitely don't want from him it's for him to get better at jumping up and joining rushes. He already does that too often.
Are you seriously suggesting trading our 22 year defenseman and keeping our defenseman who makes everyone he plays with look horrible, bleeds goals against, and takes horrific penalties at the worst time?

Any time you get a player out of the draft in the NHL it’s a home run. When you get someone who is a staple (which Schneider now is… at the old age of 22) you take that to the bank unless you’re getting something better in a trade. Hint, that something better is not another lottery ticket for a team at the top of the league with tons of young talent.
 
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Are you seriously suggesting trading our 22 year defenseman and keeping our defenseman who makes everyone he plays with look horrible, bleeds goals against, and takes horrific penalties at the worst time?

Any time you get a player out of the draft in the NHL it’s a home run. When you get someone who is a staple (which Schneider now is… at the old age of 22) you take that to the bank unless you’re getting something better in a trade. Hint, that something better is not another lottery ticket for a team at the top of the league with tons of young talent.

Yes because I think he is bad and that his value in a trade is likely far more than his value on the ice. Clearly you think otherwise. That is fine.

I don't think it's that ridiculous of a take. My opinion is based on watching him play but I just looked up his player card on both hockeyvix and the athletic and they don't like him either.
 
Yes because I think he is bad. Clearly you think otherwise. That is fine.
I’m not a huge Schneider fan to be honest but he’s 22 - outside of top 10 draft picks it’s rare for defensemen to make the NHL at that age.

This entire board thought Lafrenière was bad, a bust and should be shipped off for picks as recent as 8 months ago.
 
I’m not a huge Schneider fan to be honest but he’s 22 - outside of top 10 draft picks it’s rare for defensemen to make the NHL at that age.

This entire board thought Lafrenière was bad, a bust and should be shipped off for picks as recent as 8 months ago.

Because that's what the numbers were saying lol
 
The Ranges get Fowler and continue the "2010 draft apology" tour.

Can you imagine a mega trade involving Fowler/Vatrano for Kakko, Trouba, Rangers 2024 first, and some combination of B-Tier prospects?

I don’t think they trade for Vatrano.

That was always a rumor pushed by the media more than reality. They went down that road once and tried to get goals on the cheap (they did .)

He wouldn’t help us in a series like this. He’d get eaten up just like almost everyone else has.
 
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The Ranges get Fowler and continue the "2010 draft apology" tour.

Can you imagine a mega trade involving Fowler/Vatrano for Kakko, Trouba, Rangers 2024 first, and some combination of B-Tier prospects?
Fowler is turning 33 two months into the season next year. I don't think he'll cost all that much
 
I’m not a huge Schneider fan to be honest but he’s 22 - outside of top 10 draft picks it’s rare for defensemen to make the NHL at that age.

This entire board thought Lafrenière was bad, a bust and should be shipped off for picks as recent as 8 months ago.
No. Some of us could watch the positive and had a sense of patience.
 
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The Rangers need to get bigger forwards who get to the paint. This series has exposed that flaw. These one dimensional soft forwards are not the answer.

Some more bulk on D would be nice. Zadorov was moved early in the process. Someone like that would have been a major upgrade over Gustafsson who sucks. He has been exposed.
 
Kakko can still make it with us but 1) he needs to sign an affordable contract extension. A low AAV Kakko should still be better than a lot of what's out there on the market. 2) he is able to play a full injury free season (or two) with consistent linemates. 3) Either he is elevating his play, or one of his linemates is improving to the point where they can elevate his play. 4) Confidence. This kid needs it bad. You can see the swagger Laf has gotten, not just from consistent ice time with Tro & Pan, but he's more physical, he's making dangles he never used to. It's easy to see. 5) Rangers are patient. If we win the cup this year, that could buy a lot of patience from above. If we are still aggressively in a 'win-now' no matter the cost management mindset, then I can see his development suffer. 6) One of the young guns doesn't outplay him in camp and takes his spot. That's a lot of factors!

I think if you keep K'Andre away from Trouba, he's going to make those steps forward. What could cost Key his spot in NY could be his cap hit. If he's pushing for too high of a number, that puts pressure on the cap and could make him a cap casualty.

You will not get a Tkachuk/Huberdeau type of trade with Panarin/Zibanejad as they both have FULL NMC for the entirety of their contracts. You'd have to force them out in a way that I don't think I've seen from a NY GM. Like Wade Redden was the closest thing I can think of but they buried him and his cap, they didn't really get him out of the organization.

I think Michael Peca deserves a lot of credit for out improved faceoff %
Can't say what Phil Housley has contributed.
Laff and kappo were way immature and should have been sent back to their leagues for more development. That’s one of the mistakes that gorton made.
 
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I figured I'd cheat since the prospect thread gets very little action. I keep reading that the next wave of D-men in our system are Manicini and Fortescue they're 5th and 3rd rounders respectively. Do they have top 4 upside and what kind of game do they play?
Fortescue opened eyes in the tournaments. Good wheels, poised, flash of offense. I'm excited.
 
The Rangers need to get bigger forwards who get to the paint. This series has exposed that flaw. These one dimensional soft forwards are not the answer.

Some more bulk on D would be nice. Zadorov was moved early in the process. Someone like that would have been a major upgrade over Gustafsson who sucks. He has been exposed.
need to keep larger Kakko
 
I am officially PISSED
Rs stupidly not listening to me and I hope I'm wrong for the team's sake, but they have really sabotaged themselves and fact they have to climb back from behind is proof

I said Rempe + Edstrom should have gotten WAY mo mins earlier
setting that aside
Rempe = a winner and is antidote for what Cats impress upon us, physicality

So the answer is more Rempe, not less
What happens?
Rempe scratched instead of playing like a regular 4th line shift mins at min

Again, I AM RIGHT AND R BRAINTRUST IS WRONG

but wait, Ron Popeil, there's more
useless Ros is in the lineup
the lines are wrong
AND WORST OF ALL, THAT EFFIN USELESS POS WENNBERG IS GETTING 1RW

beyond stupid

end rant for now
it is likely gonna take Divine intervention at this pt
 
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