Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[duhmetreE]

I’d even dangle Othmann and Perrault for the right pieces

 

[n8]

I like Zadorov in theory but he is going to get PAID by someone. I am guessing $4.5m over 4-5 years. That's steep for me and he is a penalty taking machine who doesn't defend all that well.

I like the idea of a placeholder there though. We've seen Lindgren there, find someone who can fill in a similar role playing 5v5 time and PK only

He already rejected as much from VAN per reports

Nikita Zadorov turns down contract extension offer from Canucks

Vancouver Canucks defenceman Nikita Zadorov has reportedly turned down a contract offer from the team in recent days.

www.canucksdaily.com

He's probably looking for 5.5-6M so I'd expect at least 5M to be in the competitive bidding range.

 

[duhmetreE]

He already rejected as much from VAN per reports

Nikita Zadorov turns down contract extension offer from Canucks

Vancouver Canucks defenceman Nikita Zadorov has reportedly turned down a contract offer from the team in recent days.

www.canucksdaily.com

He's probably looking for 5.5-6M so I'd expect at least 5M to be in the competitive bidding range.

I’d take Zadorov at 5M over Trouba

 

[Atax]

I’d take Zadorov at 5M over Trouba

Ill take a walking dead zombie over Trouba.

 

[n8]

I’d take Zadorov at 5M over Trouba

It you can magically shoot Trouba's cap into the sun, then by all means.

 

[JohnC]

I’m all for reworking the defense and fine tuning the forward line up, but some of y’all better temper your expectations on the changes that’ll happen this summer if they bow out disappointingly.

Some of you are expecting a nuking of entire forward lines and half of the d-men without thinking about how feasible it is to backfill all these players.

 

[SA16]

I’m all for reworking the defense and fine tuning the forward line up, but some of y’all better temper your expectations on the changes that’ll happen this summer if they bow out disappointingly.

Some of you are expecting a nuking of entire forward lines and half of the d-men without thinking about how feasible it is to backfill all these players.

I am fully expecting them to run it back with almost the exact same roster minus the usual depth tweaks.

 

[Raspewtin]

I am fully expecting them to run it back with almost the exact same roster minus the usual depth tweaks.

which is why it's so hard to have hope for this org. I agree btw.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’d even dangle Othmann and Perrault for the right pieces

In an off chance Panarin could be moved, I'd trade Gabe for Tkachuk

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I’m all for reworking the defense and fine tuning the forward line up, but some of y’all better temper your expectations on the changes that’ll happen this summer if they bow out disappointingly.

Some of you are expecting a nuking of entire forward lines and half of the d-men without thinking about how feasible it is to backfill all these players.

The plan was always for the next wave/Drury's picks to be slowly integrated in over the next 2-3 seasons. With no cap room and NMCs thats why he went bargain bin shopping last summer.

Many of us said expect 1-3 of Cullye/Othmann/Edstrom to make the team and the others get looks. Rempe is a little "ahead of schedule".

This fall we're going to see more rookies get shots. The D is a concern. I'd be fine moving on from one of Trouba/Lindgren if one of Chatfield/Pesce replace them. I have no interest in a reunion with Skjei. That boy has rocks in between the ears.

Mancini is a legit prospect now. I'm not saying he's making the team Opening Night, but he could be a midseason callup like Schneider a few years back.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I’d even dangle Othmann and Perrault for the right pieces

If Othmann is really going to ask out if he doesn't make the team, that's a problem. That's on Drury. He's supposed to fix drafting headcases like that.

 

[duhmetreE]

If Othmann is really going to ask out if he doesn't make the team, that's a problem. That's on Drury. He's supposed to fix drafting headcases like that.

I'm just tired of guys where there skating is meh or them being small.

We need guys that can impose their will. Othmann could be that eventually, he has the mindset.... his AHL season was disappointing to me

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d take Zadorov at 5M over Trouba

But why? I get wanting a physical d-man but Zadorov isn't that good.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'm just tired of guys where there skating is meh or them being small.

We need guys that can impose their will. Othmann could be that eventually, he has the mindset.... his AHL season was disappointing to me

I'd give him a B- in the AHL. Needs to work on his skating (not as much as Kakko but after the adrenaline wore off from his callup he was sluggish).

But why? I get wanting a physical d-man but Zadorov isn't that good.

He'd get killed by this fanbase. It would be very similar to when Rich Pilon or Darius Kasparitus was here.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm just tired of guys where there skating is meh or them being small.

We need guys that can impose their will. Othmann could be that eventually, he has the mindset.... his AHL season was disappointing to me

I get that he wasn't 'driving' play at all times but he still had 49 points in 67 games as a rookie. I mean that's not a disappointing season. At the same age, Kreider had 21 points in 48 games in the AHL.

He already rejected as much from VAN per reports

Nikita Zadorov turns down contract extension offer from Canucks

Vancouver Canucks defenceman Nikita Zadorov has reportedly turned down a contract offer from the team in recent days.

www.canucksdaily.com

He's probably looking for 5.5-6M so I'd expect at least 5M to be in the competitive bidding range.

This is going to be an albatross in year 1

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I get that he wasn't 'driving' play at all times but he still had 49 points in 67 games as a rookie. I mean that's not a disappointing season. At the same age, Kreider had 21 points in 48 games in the AHL.



This is going to be an albatross in year 1

Chatfield is the way to go. I don't see him coming here (Detroit maybe) but that guy is a warrior and the perfect age/mileage.

 

[Machinehead]

The preference would be for a LD who is really good defensively but can actually handle a tough forecheck with the puck in their stick. I know that seems broad but it’s a specific type of player. We don’t need an elite puckmover.

Completely agree.

We don't need a "puck mover" archetype like a DeAngelo or a Gostisbehere.

We need somebody who can move the puck in the most literal sense.

You know, a good NHL defenseman.

 

[NYR Viper]

If you want a physical d-man who is just okay at hockey go sign Brenden Dillon. He had 241 hits this year in Winnipeg, playing ~18:44 per game. He is likely to cost around $3m per season on a short term deal due to his age (33 years old). Compare that to Zadorov who is likely to get 5-6 years $ $5.5m and had 177 hits in ~17:44 average TOI.

Both guys can be a bit scary at times with the puck and neither provides much offense. Dillon blocks a shit ton more shots too, over double what Zadorov does.

 

[duhmetreE]

But why? I get wanting a physical d-man but Zadorov isn't that good.

He can skate which is a much better starting point. He showed up this playoffs. He's a 3 or more likely a 4. He might be a decent fit....

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If you want a physical d-man who is just okay at hockey go sign Brenden Dillon. He had 241 hits this year in Winnipeg, playing ~18:44 per game. He is likely to cost around $3m per season on a short term deal due to his age (33 years old). Compare that to Zadorov who is likely to get 5-6 years $ $5.5m and had 177 hits in ~17:44 average TOI.

Both guys can be a bit scary at times with the puck and neither provides much offense. Dillon blocks a shit ton more shots too, over double what Zadorov does.

That's why I'd want to give the money to Chatfield. Great skater who blocks shots. He led the entire playoffs in shot suppression. Him and Jones in for Trouba/Gus and the D is slicker.

 

[NYR Viper]

He can skate which is a much better starting point. He showed up this playoffs. He's a 3 or more likely a 4. He might be a decent fit....

His positioning is really bad. His 'flash' is great when he lights up someone but he's a bottom-pairing guy.

He can definitely skate though.

My argument isn't that he is worse than Trouba, just that I am not in a rush to trade Trouba and then find a guy who is only slightly better than him.

 

[bernmeister]

For me, both Lindgren and Trouba are the minimum.

I don't think you can hide Trouba.

He can't even go out there and play 18 minutes.

He can't be hidden on D; too much premium skating is nec
He can get by as a 4RW until we find a partner desperate enuf for clear the crease guy we cn move him

yeah, Lindy also has to go, b'c get ahead of cap

I’d even dangle Othmann and Perrault for the right pieces

No, with rare exception(s) that prove the rule.
Like both + Shesty + we take pld at half and get Byfield

otherwise no

 

[LeetchisGod]

I am fully expecting them to run it back with almost the exact same roster minus the usual depth tweaks.

With the same results.

 

[duhmetreE]

His positioning is really bad. His 'flash' is great when he lights up someone but he's a bottom-pairing guy.

He can definitely skate though.

My argument isn't that he is worse than Trouba, just that I am not in a rush to trade Trouba and then find a guy who is only slightly better than him.

all the times I've watched him, I don't see the complaints from people. I honestly don't watch him anywhere close to players on the East Coast though. His metrics were strong in CGY. He had a strong playoffs. Big boy for the boards and front of the net. Maybe even put him with Fox as he can skate and score goals

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

With the same results.

I mean that was Washington for a decade until Lars Eller/Devonte Smith-Pelley/Brett Connolly got X-Men powers for a few weeks. BTW, 2/3 of those guys are out of the league now. Some would even argue that Eller has one foot out the door.