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I have a bad feeling Trouba is gonna play the I'm injured and I'm captain card and he is here for at least another year (ugh)
Also Shesty is one my favorite Rangers of all time but we ride him one more year and probably lose him for nothing.
We can't sign another goalie to 7-8 plus years
 
NYR Viper said:
I think people are missing the boat here in terms of the defense. In a NHL '25 game, of course the ideal world would have the Rangers with top-4 with high end names but in the real world, it's really not realistic. It's a process of building the team in specific direction and the d-corps really needs to be a good 6-man unit moreso than just two high end guys.

In no specific order:
Fox
Miller
Schneider
Jones
Roy
Dillon

It's not 'sexy' but there is enough there to move in a positive direction next year. That's not to say Drury shouldn't actively look for improvements, hell he should do that all over the roster, but there isn't some absolute mandate to go splurge on a high end d-man. Take what is available, move in a positive direction and see what becomes available in 6 months to a year.
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I would look to move Schneider as soon as possible. Unlike some of the other guys he should have legitimate trade value and I think he's pretty bad. I'd expect they can get a Skjei style return for him though and I'd far prefer that to giving him a potential longer team deal.
 
If he's available I would ask about Tkachuk. Yeah he isn't Matthew, but Matt wasn't what he is now at 24 either. Kakko, Chytil, Lindgren package. Plus a first? This year or next. Maybe they eat salary.

Also, I would really want to interview him about RW. Obviously, he's a LW so if he can't or won't switch, no deal.

With a 2.75 deal for Schneider, it would leave 4.5 to find a Center and a LD to replace Lindgren. Not amazing, but doable. I'd still want Stephenson. Maybe Blueger.

Edit: Sorry Brady is 24. Looking at their stats, they are shockingly similar. 5v5 numbers are good too.
 
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SA16 said:
I would look to move Schneider as soon as possible. Unlike some of the other guys he should have legitimate trade value and I think he's pretty bad. I'd expect they can get a Skjei style return for him though and I'd far prefer that to giving him a potential longer team deal.
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I'm not enamored with Schneider but he is by no means at the top of my list to move. I'd give him a 2-year deal and see how he progresses. For me, upgrade Trouba first, then Jones for Gustafsson and see if Lindgren can be upgraded reasonably. That's a pretty major overhaul of the defense. Let is settle out and see how Miller and Schneider progress and go from there.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I'm not enamored with Schneider but he is by no means at the top of my list to move. I'd give him a 2-year deal and see how he progresses. For me, upgrade Trouba first, then Jones for Gustafsson and see if Lindgren can be upgraded reasonably. That's a pretty major overhaul of the defense. Let is settle out and see how Miller and Schneider progress and go from there.
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The big difference is Schneider will have actual trade value and the other guys won't. He can also definitely be traded whereas someone like Trouba could be impossible given he has an NTC and can easily just make his no trade list all the teams that would have cap space/are contenders if desired. I have very little hopes for him to progress at this point. I find his issue to be an extreme lack of hockey sense and that's not something I find likely to improve. Miller makes a lot of bad decisions too but has way more stick/skating ability/size to make up for them.
 
SA16 said:
The big difference is Schneider will have actual trade value and the other guys won't. He can also definitely be traded whereas someone like Trouba could be impossible given he has an NTC and can easily just make his no trade list all the teams that would have cap space/are contenders if desired. I have very little hopes for him to progress at this point. I find his issue to be an extreme lack of hockey sense and that's not something I find likely to improve.
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I was more down on him going in to this season. He showed glimpses of improving and I would say this was a positive step forward for him this year.

I also think Trouba could and will be traded for something reasonable. Even with his contract.
 
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Zadorov-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

How much might Zadorov cost? What's the deal with him in the lockeroom? Seems to have had trouble in Van, Cal and Chi if I am remembering correctly. I like that defense more than with Lindgren and Gus. Jones breaks out better and Zadorov covers more ice and is more physical. I know Zadorov was a good skater for a big guy when I watched him more a couple years ago, but I didn't watch his time in Van this year.
 
bl02 said:
I have a bad feeling Trouba is gonna play the I'm injured and I'm captain card and he is here for at least another year (ugh)
Also Shesty is one my favorite Rangers of all time but we ride him one more year and probably lose him for nothing.
We can't sign another goalie to 7-8 plus years
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I have a feeling management is gonna use that excuse with Trouba, along with the he just won the Messier leadership award bullshit excuse
 
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MrAlmost said:
Zadorov-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

How much might Zadorov cost? What's the deal with him in the lockeroom? Seems to have had trouble in Van, Cal and Chi if I am remembering correctly. I like that defense more than with Lindgren and Gus. Jones breaks out better and Zadorov covers more ice and is more physical. I know Zadorov was a good skater for a big guy when I watched him more a couple years ago, but I didn't watch his time in Van this year.
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I like Zadorov in theory but he is going to get PAID by someone. I am guessing $4.5m over 4-5 years. That's steep for me and he is a penalty taking machine who doesn't defend all that well.

I like the idea of a placeholder there though. We've seen Lindgren there, find someone who can fill in a similar role playing 5v5 time and PK only
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Zadorov is not a top pair defender.

Move Lindgren, trade for a real LHD worthy of playing on a top pair and sign Matt Roy.

If we can move Trouba too then do that. Lindgren is the minimum though.
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A Trouba --> Roy 'trade' makes the most sense to me. There is an available immediate replacement of those minutes that will improve the team.

LD is a bit sparse in the UFA market this year, but not next year. Provorov, Gavrikov, Slavin, Theodore, Hedman, Chychrun, Middleton, Orlov.

If a trade opens up, fine, go for it but it seems the easier path this off-season is RD.
 
The preference would be for a LD who is really good defensively but can actually handle a tough forecheck with the puck in their stick. I know that seems broad but it’s a specific type of player. We don’t need an elite puckmover.
 
I'm including Miller in the get rid of Trouba/Lindgren category. Dude has shown zero improvement. Schneider has at least shown he's improving. I'm hoping the playoff experience will calm his nerves eventually.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
The preference would be for a LD who is really good defensively but can actually handle a tough forecheck with the puck in their stick. I know that seems broad but it’s a specific type of player. We don’t need an elite puckmover.
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The guy was Hanifin. Damn you Vegas and your endless LTIR.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I was more down on him going in to this season. He showed glimpses of improving and I would say this was a positive step forward for him this year.

I also think Trouba could and will be traded for something reasonable. Even with his contract.
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I certainly don't expect Trouba to be traded. He could be but I find it very unlikely. The first issue is I doubt they even have much interest in doing so. They talk about how good of a leader he is and he's the captain. They used him as their number one guy on the PK and he was 2nd in 5v5 ice time. Next issue is his reputation around the league as a player is way down and he's overpaid so why would another team even give something up for him? Nobody is taking on the full 8M without sending a bad contract back anyway. The third issue is that he wants to be here, has a 15 team NTC, and can easily manipulate it to basically block anything.
 
Atax said:
I'm including Miller in the get rid of Trouba/Lindgren category. Dude has shown zero improvement. Schneider has at least shown he's improving. I'm hoping the playoff experience will calm his nerves eventually.
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Miller was a wing at Wisconsin for awhile. I want to move him back.

Panarin-Zib-Miller
Kreider-Tro-Laf
Cuylle-Chytil-Othmann/Berard
Rempe-Goodrow-Edstrom/Othmann/Berard

But what I REALLY want is to find a way to trade Trouba to TOR who are in perpetual need of ‘toughness and grit’ on D for Marner. Put him on the right of Zib and Panarin and send Miller, Trouba plus out in trade. Ask Trouba nicely, maybe he will waive.

Rempe wears the ‘C’.

I could also be persuaded to drop Kreider to the third line, put Marner on the 2nd and elevate Laf. I feel like KK is nearing the end of his shelf life as a first division starter. He’s taken a ton of physical abuse the last ten years and IMO it’s flat worse him out.

Clears out the defense but I think it’s time for that anyway.

Kakko can kick rocks. Either Otter or Berard for as as inexperienced as they may be would be light years better. Kakko is probably destined for the SHL long term.

(Yes I realize this is out there. But we’re trying to shake things up)
 
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SA16 said:
I certainly don't expect Trouba to be traded. He could be but I find it very unlikely. The first issue is I doubt they even have much interest in doing so. They talk about how good of a leader he is and he's the captain. They used him as their number one guy on the PK and he was 2nd in 5v5 ice time. Next issue is his reputation around the league as a player is way down and he's overpaid so why would another team even give something up for him? Nobody is taking on the full 8M without sending a bad contract back anyway. The third issue is that he wants to be here, has a 15 team NTC, and can easily manipulate it to basically block anything.
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I have faith that the organization sees what is happening. Laviolette has used Schneider in his place more than a few times. Trouba makes a ton of money.

I am also less concerned about his NTC. We know 7 of those 15 teams are in Canada. So that's an 8-team NTC left. Teams who I could see having interest:
Buffalo
Detroit
Nashville
Anaheim

And I doubt any of those teams are going to be on his NTC list. Buffalo and Detroit are close to home. Nashville would be an awesome spot to play for anyone and no state income tax. Anaheim would be a beautiful spot to live in general.

CTTribe73 said:
Miller was a wing at Wisconsin for awhile. I want to move him back.

Panarin-Zib-Miller
Kreider-Tro-Laf
Cuylle-Chytil-Othmann/Berard
Rempe-Goodrow-Edstrom/Othmann/Berard

But what I REALLY want is to find a way to trade Trouba to TOR who are in perpetual need of ‘toughness and grit’ on D for Marner. Put him on the right of Zib and Panarin and send Miller, Trouba plus out in trade. Ask Trouba nicely, maybe he will waive.

Rempe wears the ‘C’.

I could also be persuaded to drop Kreider to the third line, put Marner on the 2nd and elevate Laf. I feel like KK is nearing the end of his shelf life as a first division starter. He’s taken a ton of physical abuse the last ten years and IMO it’s flat worse him out.

Clears out the defense but I think it’s time for that anyway.

Kakko can kick rocks. Either Otter or Berard for as as inexperienced as they may be would be light years better. Kakko is probably destined for the SHL long term.
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Miller was never a wing at Wisconsin, he was only a d-man
 
NYR Viper said:
I have faith that the organization sees what is happening. Laviolette has used Schneider in his place more than a few times. Trouba makes a ton of money.

I am also less concerned about his NTC. We know 7 of those 15 teams are in Canada. So that's an 8-team NTC left. Teams who I could see having interest:
Buffalo
Detroit
Nashville
Anaheim

And I doubt any of those teams are going to be on his NTC list. Buffalo and Detroit are close to home. Nashville would be an awesome spot to play for anyone and no state income tax. Anaheim would be a beautiful spot to live in general.



Miller was never a wing at Wisconsin, he was only a d-man
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Youth hockey? IIRC he started life as a winger, maybe Wisky converted him. In any case his speed and size screams ‘power wing’ to me. Presently he is miscast in his role.
 
Need to move on from Trouba and Lindgren.

Will they? I have doubts. If they're here, I probably wont watch as intently as I have.

We're stuck with Mika. Let's hope he goes back to training in the offseason and looks like pre-covid Mika
 
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NYR Viper said:
I have faith that the organization sees what is happening. Laviolette has used Schneider in his place more than a few times. Trouba makes a ton of money.

I am also less concerned about his NTC. We know 7 of those 15 teams are in Canada. So that's an 8-team NTC left. Teams who I could see having interest:
Buffalo
Detroit
Nashville
Anaheim

And I doubt any of those teams are going to be on his NTC list. Buffalo and Detroit are close to home. Nashville would be an awesome spot to play for anyone and no state income tax. Anaheim would be a beautiful spot to live in general.



Miller was never a wing at Wisconsin, he was only a d-man
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I don't think he will have all 7 Canadian teams on his NTC. There's certainly no point in having WPG or EDM on it.
 
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