I suspect we are closer to the same pg even if not 111% so.
For sure. We're just discussing the devils in the details.
I don't think you've ever been rude to anyone on here, but you've dealt with more than your share of rudeness. I might be playful and jokey at times, but I'll always engage in good faith (well, usually, I'm pot nerfect).
There is no Jones hate, just find Fox does most of the puck moving, granted still need that for another 35-ish mins a nite besides AF, but another puck mover is a luxury if he does not make signif contrib to actual defense.
Puck carrying and distribution are both sort of a weakness for us. That's why Gus fits in so well, despite some warts. So yeah, agreed that we need to address the "other 35 minutes a night," but I would argue it's more of a need than it is a luxury.
I think Jones' ceiling (whether he reaches it or not, and whether here or elsewhere) includes a more consistent, reliable, responsible D side than Gus, and brings something similar that our core lacks.
Lindy has gotta go. Not too long ago, he garnered a late 1st. He is falling apart. Get something now -> than his limited + decreasing current production.
Lindy is obviously one of the players that needs to get their stuff together. Maybe Mika March has officially started? Trouba HAS TO come back with some fresh legs. Thankfully, Igor snapped out of it after the ASG.
My whole point on Lindy is that if he's starting to actually be cooked while at the end of his RFA eligibility, it's so much worse than the Girardi situation. If he just stays his normal, even if frustrating, "20-point pace guy that never actually breaks that mark due to injuries here and there, but still rocks a huge plus next to Fox," then that will allow the room to bring along some youth lower in the lineup. If that youth clicks, then Lindy can be a 3LD for a bit and they slot up.
That's why I balk at the Girardi comparisons (not you specifically, just in general). It's either "way different," or "much worse." We can plan for him to walk at 30/31 instead of signing him to a 5-year overpay at that age. Totally different. But if someone wanted to make the argument that his body won't even hold up that long, there's a chance that actually happens. It's a better argument than "Girardi all over again."
So instead of "Lindgren has to go," we can talk about "Lindgren needs to be replaced." That has to come along with a viable top 4 option. Not a kid. Hanifin was an option. I liked the idea of it. But if we don't have that solution, we have to explore what keeping him could/would look like.
I don'thave a prob w/Scanlin getting mins
Robertson should have already had a cup o coffee LAST YR and been here NOW
Happy to see we are in agreement about going younger if possible, and working to make that happen.
I want righty RDs Helleson from ANA, Barron from MON, and the floor is open on younger lefties to add
I dunno about last season, but Robertson totally should have gotten his cup of coffee by now. Next season should be VERY interesting for our 3LD options.
I'm with you on "youth" as a concept, so the question is timing. With Miller plus Lindgren (or his replacement), we can really put Jones, Robertson, Scanlin through the crucible to see who gains coach's trust. We can't really add a young lefty until after the next phase of development. If any of those 3 stick, we don't need one as much. If 2 stick, we don't need one at all.
Unless we have a taker for Trouba in the off-season, it's too soon to talk about a young RD. If there was a 3-way deal that sent Trouba somewhere and brought us back Barron+, I'd be all about it. Schneider has proven enough to me to be a barely top 4 guy already, with so much more ceiling possible.
I have a feeling that Trouba is going to stick around for better or worse, but we at least have a complete right side that's not old whatsoever. Instead of targeting 21/22 RD, I'd be looking at 19/20 RD that we should be looking to add in two years. Random name: Noah Warren. Someone that we can put on a timeline to replace Schneider replacing Trouba at the end of his contract. If we're lucky, it's Mancini. Longshot, though.
