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45 will be retired worldwide in honor of Luke Voit36 will probably be available too
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part X — Active Roster in OP (09/28)
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Irishguy42
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All these rookies picking these off brand numbers is a divine retribution for the arrogance of this organization when we somehow made #22 Brian Boyle transition to #22 Dan Boyle like nothing happened.
Oscar Lindberg
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Panarin wears 27 for Russia so I would assume he would take that
Once he proves he's not Shane Spencer Part Two, he can have a global number retirement.
Machinehead
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I’m digging Chytil wearing 72 for his dad and I’ve worn 27 my whole life in honor of Kovy. I’ve worn 72 when 27 not avail so I’m a fan. If panarin grabbed 27 I’d be thrilled. Would make me buy another jersey for sure.
Howden wearing 21 just feels like a warm blanket on a cold night good. Thank you Brett for getting a real number.
I despise lias wearing 50. It’s awful even though I love the reason he didn’t change it.
Want hajek to get a real jersey too please.
Howden wearing 21 just feels like a warm blanket on a cold night good. Thank you Brett for getting a real number.
I despise lias wearing 50. It’s awful even though I love the reason he didn’t change it.
Want hajek to get a real jersey too please.
Not surprised one bit by the overblown reactions here regarding Lias starting in Hartford.
What do the Niners from 1981 have to do with the Rangers..? Or the Yankees?
Should we research what successful Cricket teams in India are doing and replicate their blueprint to success?
Why are so many people here in such a rush? Lias is 19. For all we know he’ll be up with the club by the Holidays. And even if he’s not, some of y’all need to be patient.
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Nadia Comaneci won Olmypic gold at age 14. Lias is amost 6 years older than Nadia was when she did that. Bust
I missed all the Yankee stuff earlier.
Whats funny is... neither of those guys started the year with the Yankees! Now were there reasons why Torres came up later that don't apply to the NHL, yeah probably (Arbitration clock) but he didn't get regular at bats until more than a month into the season.
Whats to say that the same doesn't happen for Lias? Injuries/poor performances from other guys is always a possibility. Or perhaps he just plays his way to a promotion.
Hayes being here isn't why he isn't here. If they really wanted to, they could have kept all 3 of them around in some capacity.
That isn't even the most egregious cut. Hajek being sent down to appease Staal is a billion times worse.
I think this is it for Staal. Either he plays somewhat ably or he's benched. And then, I think he's gone after this year. This is like a last-gasp, Hail Mary, hope the guy shows something to someone and consents to a trade. And if not, he's bought out after the year.
It's frustrating and counterproductive having him occupy a spot a kid could have, but it's a rebuilding year so just having a shit player with a big cap hit isn't otherwise an issue. But then when I believe we'll start ramping up our efforts to be competitive next season, he'll have to go. Unless, of course, everyone is horrible this year and none of the young defensemen look remotely ready, then maybe he's here one more year. I don't anticipate that, though, as honestly I think either Hajek or Lindgren could be on the team right now.
It's frustrating and counterproductive having him occupy a spot a kid could have, but it's a rebuilding year so just having a shit player with a big cap hit isn't otherwise an issue. But then when I believe we'll start ramping up our efforts to be competitive next season, he'll have to go. Unless, of course, everyone is horrible this year and none of the young defensemen look remotely ready, then maybe he's here one more year. I don't anticipate that, though, as honestly I think either Hajek or Lindgren could be on the team right now.
For me, its sort of less about Andersson and more about how - despite lip service and a fancy letter to fans - the Rangers will always lack the stomach for a rebuild with the subsequent growing pains. This top 9 is still littered with veterans, so is the defense. I dont know, for a team with little to no expectations, I'd rather see the kids play...especially the draftee that the Rangers pumped as the most NHL ready in 2017.
I doubt it. I think it would be much easier to trade Smith or Skjei than trade or buy out Staal. And it seems like he is playing well again.
haohmaru
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Meh, tough one - particularly when it comes to Andersson. Hayes, Zibs, Chytil, Howden are all 26 and under and Lias isn't being groomed to be a 4C. Nowhere to put the guy and that's not because of McCleod or Beleskey. You've got to have some veterans on the team.
Staal bothers me, though. He should be in the press box at this point. Shattenkirk and McQuaid don't bother me at all for differing reasons - Shattenkirk can/is a lynch pin on the power play and McQuaid is a vet D/great teammate that'll stick up for Henrik, etc...
Yeah, it would be much easier to trade those guys, given one is a very good young player entering his prime and the other is a steady veteran defenseman (excluding last season's fluke) with a reasonable deal. They're both better players than Staal and neither has an NMC. So, I'm not really sure why we're even discussing them. It would be easier to trade almost everyone on our team than Staal.
Staal sucks. I have stuck up for him for a really long time, including last season when I'd cling to his once-every-ten-games moment of decent play. But, he sucks. And he looked terrible this exhibition season. He's gotta go. He's a warrior, I love his effort, all that, just like Girardi who was one of my favorite players. But he sucks, badly, and I'd be really surprised if he played for us next year.
Staal's contract is a big driver into the Rangers needing to force themselves to believe he can be a solid bottom-pairing mentor type. Personally, I don't think he'll excel in either role, but the Rangers really dont have a choice at this point.
haohmaru
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They don't have to play him, they have to pay him.
He's a guy I'd look at to ride the pine for the benefit of a kid getting a long look. Mcleod and Beleskey should be only used as spare parts at this point as well.
I was one of the biggest haters of Staal for many years, especially first 2 years of his new contract. But last season he played fairly solid and this preseason he looked like one of our top Dmen. I think he stays until he really sucks.
GeorgeKaplan
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The Rangers are going about this the right way, especially without a teenager that’s ready to step in and take over a team. It’s been like 15 months since they made their first 1st round pick since 2012, it’s not like the system is chock full of guys that unquestionably ready to be full time NHLers, the vets are there to insulate them so they’re not forced into something they can’t handle. The team sold at the deadline last season, and will probably do it again this season, are they the impatient ones or is it you?
Machinehead
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Every team, no matter what stage they're in, should have a good mix of youth and veterans. "Play the kids!" no matter what's going on is a dangerous mentality.
I'm not arguing for or against Andersson. I'd like to see him play over garbage like Vesey, but he didn't really do anything in camp to earn a spot, either. As @Go Away Staal said, what we're doing on defense is waaaaaay worse, but ADA and Hajek weren't taken 7th OA so nobody is going to flip their shit over it.
But the point is, throwing kids into the fire who clearly aren't ready is even dumber and causes more damage than blocking them with useless veterans.
Every team, no matter what stage they're in, should have a good mix of youth and veterans. "Play the kids!" no matter what's going on is a dangerous mentality.
I'm not arguing for or against Andersson. I'd like to see him play over garbage like Vesey, but he didn't really do anything in camp to earn a spot, either. As @Go Away Staal said, what we're doing on defense is waaaaaay worse, but ADA and Hajek weren't taken 7th OA so nobody is going to flip their shit over it.
But the point is, throwing kids into the fire who clearly aren't ready is even dumber and causes more damage than blocking them with useless veterans.
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In regards to Marc Staal, This is just my opinion but the man’s defensive play has
not been the same since his eye injury.
Could his vision be a lot worse than people
think.
not been the same since his eye injury.
Could his vision be a lot worse than people
think.
He should have been moved to the right side after his injury. It’s clear when he bumbles every pass coming from the right side to him that he doesn’t see the puck well. He obviously can’t see the whole ice. If he were moved to the right he’d be viewing the whole rink with his good eye. His bad one would be on the board side. This should have been recognized then and he’d be a better player today. Watch him receive passes at the point from the right defender. He’ll bumble 8 of 10. Rarely receives it cleanly.
Staal's loss of foot speed has more to do with him being horrendous now than his eye injury does.
He was still a decent player for a hot second after the eye injury. He hasn't been the same since the Pittsburgh series in 2014, he was a beast through 2 rounds that year.
He does almost nothing at an NHL level anymore. Playing him is the best thing for the tank, but it shouldn't come at the expense of playing over a guy you have right now and massively out played him during camp.
He was still a decent player for a hot second after the eye injury. He hasn't been the same since the Pittsburgh series in 2014, he was a beast through 2 rounds that year.
He does almost nothing at an NHL level anymore. Playing him is the best thing for the tank, but it shouldn't come at the expense of playing over a guy you have right now and massively out played him during camp.
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