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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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So Buch was the one stirring the drink for the dynamic duo? Too bad we have no cap space with the Blues struggling and firing their coach last night
 
Kendo said:
If we can put together a forward corps that can compete while paying Hanifin, Fox, Miller, and Trouba, then I'm listening. There will always be holes in a lineup, but spending $30 on the top 4 D creates holes at F. I want answers at F before I sign off on that D plan.

In the past season and change since Himmy Vesey came back, he has 34 points to Kaapo's 43. This has been the high point of Vesey's career and the low point of Kakko's. Vesey's a great janitor, but he's still a JAG. I want to put cap space towards adding a top 9 RW to Laf and KK. If we spend space on Hani while trading away Kakko, then we need to add two RW with little to no space. An Othmann in the mix is possible, but when going bargain bin for the other you sometimes get Wheeler as he was his last couple seasons and sometimes you get what he is now. Again, it's generating more questions than answers.


I'm not assuming that Goody is movable. Let's say he is...that entire savings swaps Lindgren for Hanifin. I'm into that if there's an answer at forward. I haven't heard one.

If we trade Goody and have $19m to spend (that number checks out as far as napkin math), we still need to sign 5F, 3D, 1G. If you spend $7m on Hanifin, then you're left with $12m for 8 players. I don't see how we ice a competitive top 9 with that budget for 5F, 2D, & 1G.

And Kappo is totally worth $3m. Coming into this season, he was "supposed to be" worth a Chytil-like 4-year deal, but a horrible season turned that into a one-year stopgap to see if he earns the Chytil deal the following year.
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Last season was kakkos most productive, idk how it could represent the low point of his career. We've had 3 straight successful seasons with the same hole at RW. Kakko has not solved that problem and losing him won't exacerbate it much imo.

We would have 2 elite LWers, 3 top 6 level centers, good goaltending and arguably the best defense corps in the league. IIRC Vegas just won with Barbashev, Howden, and Amadio/Cotter as top nine wingers. Wing is the most flush position in the league, particularly finding a winger that only needs to not f*** up a line with elite talent already on it is the least challenging find. Just rolling through the UFA crop there's a ton of options at wing that will likely come in at 1mil or less, whereas finding a reliable 5D even has taken us how many years?

I think you get my point, I understand yours. I'd still prefer to worry about RW while having a dominant top pair than likely worrying about RW anyway without one. Jmho
 
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That’s 7m great, now replace goodrow and give others raises. You’re over.
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It fits with a spare forward only and ~$3m in cap space. Yes, I assumed modest raises for Quick and Kakko and signed a 4th line center for $1.5m although maybe one of the younger players can fill that hole. Or maybe they don't sign Pitlick and give Edstrom a shot on the 4th line. Either way, it fits.

Also as a side note, the long term deals for high end players were the norm prior to COVID when the salary cap was increasing every year. I get the sense that we will see similar things this off-season with the cap expected to grow considerably over the next 4+ years as the league has grown and the players have paid the owners back. a 7 year deal @ $7m for a top-4 27 year old d-man is going to look better and better as we move along.
 
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Personally i wanted to see Othmann with a short call up to give him a taste with the hope that sometime in feb you give him another shot to see if he can handle it full time
 
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Machinehead said:
I would love to add a forward and a defenseman. The cap is what it is. At this point, I think we need a defenseman more.
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I know Corey Perry is on everyone's shit list but assuming the issue is something that can be handled with the treatment he is receiving, I'd still consider him as our deadline forward pick up. That would allow Drury to look at a veteran d-man who could provide some depth.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Last season was kakkos most productive, idk how it could represent the low point of his career. We've had 3 straight successful seasons with the same hole at RW. Kakko has not solved that problem and losing him won't exacerbate it much imo.
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Last season was a "normal one" for both players, while this season has been a nightmare for Kakko and a dream for Vesey (and Brodz for that matter). Othmann might plug a hole next season. We can find another Wheeler one-year stop-gap, but that's obviously a mixed bag.

We have a hole at RW, and by losing Kakko we'd have two holes. That has me concerned.

There's still possibly a Hanifin trade that makes sense, so it's not like we completely disagree. Good discourse, btw.
 
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Machinehead said:
I would love to add a forward and a defenseman. The cap is what it is. At this point, I think we need a defenseman more.
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They can do both. They just can't be afraid to trade off of their roster which is the easiest way to open up cap. I get that some guys can't be moved and others shouldn't, but there are guys who do exist on the roster who can and should. #55 is such an easy and obvious upgrade spot and thats where I'd start.
 
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Lindgren is the obvious choice to move and upgrade.I appreciate what he's done for this team,but he's been dreadful this year and is only going to get worse.His next contract is going to be a gigantic mistake and I would hope we weren't the team giving it to him.
 
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The move on defense is next season, assuming we can't keep Gus. For now, move on from Jones and upgrade our 7D.

Take Lindgren out and you screw up our top pair. Fox always struggles without Lindgren. How many people thought Leetch should have a better partner than Beuk in the 90s? Not Leetch. Not Richter.

Hard to tell if those goals last night were more on Shesty or on our D coverage. What will Housley do to adjust?
 
So many people want to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic while ignoring the hole in its hull. I understand that the cap is a major reason why but its not the 12-13 forward or 6-7 dman keeping us from a cup. The issue is in our top 6 fwds and top 4 dmen. Plus I think Space Jam grabbed Shesty and replaced him with an alien.

The bottom line is if we want to go for a cup its the guys playing 18-22 minutes a game that must be changed/improved. We have skilled players but not the right mix to get a cup imo.
 
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mas0764 said:
Goodrow+ for Buch would be interesting.
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Goodrow + Kakko could almost make the money work. Then the issue is what else St. Louis would want than essentially a cap dump and a former high pick who failed to break out and has had an awful season. Buch was a PPG+ player for the last two seasons, still on pace for 65 points at 5.8mil. That's pretty valuable. A first rounder would be a starting point is my guess.

BUT. Goodrow has a 15 team no trade list. What are the odds St. Louis is NOT on that list?
 
LOFIN said:
Goodrow + Kakko could almost make the money work. Then the issue is what else St. Louis would want than essentially a cap dump and a former high pick who failed to break out and has had an awful season. Buch was a PPG+ player for the last two seasons, still on pace for 65 points at 5.8mil. That's pretty valuable. A first rounder would be a starting point is my guess.

BUT. Goodrow has a 15 team no trade list. What are the odds St. Louis is NOT on that list?
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I'd welcome Buch back but I do not know that he will make Zibs and CK in to a real 5 on 5 first line. Zibs and CK do a very good job on the PP but something is missing in their 5 on 5 play.
 
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In the meantime, do we give Othmann a shot in the NHL or are we worried that if he struggles it might impede his AHL development this season? The latter has happened before.
 
LOFIN said:
Goodrow + Kakko could almost make the money work. Then the issue is what else St. Louis would want than essentially a cap dump and a former high pick who failed to break out and has had an awful season. Buch was a PPG+ player for the last two seasons, still on pace for 65 points at 5.8mil. That's pretty valuable. A first rounder would be a starting point is my guess.

BUT. Goodrow has a 15 team no trade list. What are the odds St. Louis is NOT on that list?
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Not giving up Kakko for Buch, I'd rather give picks.
 
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If Chytil comes back, he needs to be fitted with a " Safety and Security" package from Volvo.

Blind side monitoring
Frontal crash warning
18 airbags in his gloves
Helmet with crumple zones.
Lane departure assist.
 
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