Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Lindberg Cheese]

Since we’re talking about the TDL, hopefully Chytil and Kakko come back and if that’s the case I go for a cheap deadline of say Trenin and Stetcher or McDermott.

If Chytil can’t return then we up our take with the additional space and go for a Dickinson and a better D, maybe Tanev at 50%

 

[GAGLine]

Wonder if it could be us, certainly in need of a winger. Canucks have been linked to Schneider in the past

We don't have the cap space and trading Schneider leaves us short a dman.

 

[EdJovanovski]

We don't have the cap space and trading Schneider leaves us short a dman.

Miller - Fox
Gustafsson - Trouba
Lindgren - Jones

If Canucks retain he's only 2.something M, don't we get any sort of cap space from Chytil situation?

 

[GAGLine]

Miller - Fox
Gustafsson - Trouba
Lindgren - Jones

If Canucks retain he's only 2.something M, don't we get any sort of cap space from Chytil situation?

That defense is worse than what we have now and will be significantly worse if we have injuries.

Neither Chytil nor Kakko are expected to be out until the end of the year. Once they come back, the LTIR space is gone. We don't have enough actual cap space to fit anyone.

 

[GAGLine]

CapFriendly has the necessary cap info:

The amounts in green are based on LTIR cap space. Notice that both numbers are the same. This is because LTIR cap space can't be banked. The amount we have today is the same amount we will have at the deadline (assuming the same players are still on LTIR on that day).

The number in yellow is the actual amount of cap we have accrued thus far this season. When everyone is healthy and the extras sent down, we will open up some cap space and start accruing again. By the trade deadline, we might have enough space to add a player making the minimum without waiving/trading someone.

 

[NYR Viper]

What would it take for the Rangers to acquire Hanifan with Lindgren being a main piece? Lindgren is a RFA at years end, Hanifan is a UFA. Assume Calgary retains to make the cap hits equal and Hanifan isn't re-signing in Calgary:

Hanifan @ $3m
for
Lindgren + ________

In terms of raw value, I'm not sure how much more a team like Calgary would be looking for. They could lock up Lindgren at a good cap hit for a good term (4-5 years likely). The Rangers should have cap space this off-season to offer Hanifan a nice contract and they get to see how he fits with Fox before offering him a long term deal. IMO, Hanifan would be a fantastic addition long term even if it's close to the Toews number of $7.25m.

 

[bernmeister]

he'd be taking Scheinder out of the lineup, unless Lindgren was going the other way. there's a lot of reasons to think the Rangers wouldn't be trading for Hanifin, I highly doubt Schneider's placement in the top-6 is among them.

Hani is LD
Schneid is RD

Hani is too expensive
Wild are down a D
local kid Lindgren to MIN for a pick

regardless of space, we should be pushing Robertson in
Jones is def NOT an answer
Rob is a potential maybe IF he gets acclimated like yesterday

 

[effen]

Wonder if it could be us, certainly in need of a winger. Canucks have been linked to Schneider in the past

IMO It's Carolina.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Wonder if it could be us, certainly in need of a winger. Canucks have been linked to Schneider in the past

Isles or Canes.

Svechnikov is out for a grip so I'd bet on them.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Hani is LD
Schneid is RD

Hani is too expensive
Wild are down a D
local kid Lindgren to MIN for a pick

regardless of space, we should be pushing Robertson in
Jones is def NOT an answer
Rob is a potential maybe IF he gets acclimated like yesterday

Lindgren is better than Schneider and we just went what 9-1-0 with Gus-Lindgren as a second pair? I think they could easily crush 3 pair minutes. Move lindgren in the summer.

 

[TheDirtyH]

What would it take for the Rangers to acquire Hanifan with Lindgren being a main piece? Lindgren is a RFA at years end, Hanifan is a UFA. Assume Calgary retains to make the cap hits equal and Hanifan isn't re-signing in Calgary:

Hanifan @ $3m
for
Lindgren + ________

In terms of raw value, I'm not sure how much more a team like Calgary would be looking for. They could lock up Lindgren at a good cap hit for a good term (4-5 years likely). The Rangers should have cap space this off-season to offer Hanifan a nice contract and they get to see how he fits with Fox before offering him a long term deal. IMO, Hanifan would be a fantastic addition long term even if it's close to the Toews number of $7.25m.

I'd want to hang onto lindgren for the remainder of the year. With gus here, this is likely the deepest blueline well be able to mount for a while. Plenty of great teams are running 11-7 as well. We have the horses at forward to double shift. Panarin, Zibanejad, Trochek, Lafreniere, feed those guys extra shifts if you want.

I'd be dealing kakko for a signed hanifin at this point. Jones too, most likely. Put Vesey on the top line. Sit Wheeler or Brodzinski or both (ideally sit Goodrow but we know that won't happen).

 

[Flan the incredible]

Yes, Crosby is gritty as f***.

Crosby is incredibly calculating, putting himself in the best position to score. Will he finish every check or other performative 4th line nonsense, absolutely not, he saves his energy. But if there is a 50/50 puck battle anywhere on the ice, he will out grind anyone in the game for puck possession, 5'10 be damned.

You and I have a very different opinion of grit. Everything you mentioned is Hockey IQ which Crosby has loads of. Guy is a HOFer after all.

I dont see that as grit. He doesn't take beatings in front of the net. He doesn't dish them out. He doesn't dive in front of a blocked shot. He also shouldn't be doing any of those things as he is a superstar.

 

[Flan the incredible]

What would it take for the Rangers to acquire Hanifan with Lindgren being a main piece? Lindgren is a RFA at years end, Hanifan is a UFA. Assume Calgary retains to make the cap hits equal and Hanifan isn't re-signing in Calgary:

Hanifan @ $3m
for
Lindgren + ________

In terms of raw value, I'm not sure how much more a team like Calgary would be looking for. They could lock up Lindgren at a good cap hit for a good term (4-5 years likely). The Rangers should have cap space this off-season to offer Hanifan a nice contract and they get to see how he fits with Fox before offering him a long term deal. IMO, Hanifan would be a fantastic addition long term even if it's close to the Toews number of $7.25m.

I have been saying to do this exact same trade. Calgary gets a guy they can lock up long term and the Rangers get someone who isn't an offense black hole to play with Fox or Trouba. Hanifin does almost everything better than Lindgren and can be locked up long term if the price is right.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I have been saying to do this exact same trade. Calgary gets a guy they can lock up long term and the Rangers get someone who isn't an offense black hole to play with Fox or Trouba. Hanifin does almost everything better than Lindgren and can be locked up long term if the price is right.

Unless we’re somehow going with brodzinski in our top 6 next season we have no cap for hanafin next year. Hanafin is probably looking for 7x7

 

[NickyFotiu]

The difference between Panarin this season and last season is that he’s playing with Lafreniere who is really good. Laf actually has the skill/IQ to play off of him and the numbers tracked by people who watch every single game support that Laf is making a lot of plays on his own to set up linemates. Most of the time Panarin has been here he’s been with RWs who don’t make their line mates better (tarasenko/washed kane) or RWs who make their linemates worse (Goodrow/Hunt). It’s lame to just chalk up Panarin scoring more to baldness and “shooting mentality” narratives and ignore that he’s just spending way more time in the offensive zone with a much better RW

LOL yes Laf is making Bread. Go look up how many of Breads goals Laf assisted on. I'm happy with Laf stepping up this season but did Jesper Fast also make Bread? Maybe it is time you stop with your nonsense.

As I mentioned before Bread has been going to high danger areas this season that he avoided in last years playoffs. He is not limiting himself to being a perimeter player so far this season. Has nothing to do with baldness. Obviously people that mention Bread or Zibs hair are joking.

He retrieves the dump-ins great. But then not much happens. He kind of bats the puck around and then either loses it or maybe gets it to a teammate in a similarly disadvantageous spot. I’m obviously generalizing. But not being able to crack 20 assists playing on a top line is kind of crazy.
That’s why I wanted him as part of a crash line. Hopefully playing with north-south players would encourage him to get back to more of a rock ‘em sock ‘em type style. I don’t know if he has it in him though. And also he plays such good defense with Mika it’s like robbing Peter to pay paul.

I have always been a CK fan. Long before it was in fashion but if I was his coach I would ask him why he does that arm around hold the other guys up check on his puck retrievals. Do you think CK is trying to protect other guys? Avoid a penalty? He has done it for years now. I'm just curious why.

 

[Sdevils42]

You and I have a very different opinion of grit. Everything you mentioned is Hockey IQ which Crosby has loads of. Guy is a HOFer after all.

I dont see that as grit. He doesn't take beatings in front of the net. He doesn't dish them out. He doesn't dive in front of a blocked shot. He also shouldn't be doing any of those things as he is a superstar.

Sid is the first generational superstar that plays the game like a grinder with an incredibly elite skill set, I honestly don't recall one. He doesn't shy from contact. Watch him along the boards, like OP said he almost always wins puck battles, no one has to do it for him. There is tons of grit in his game.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Totally agree. And to be fair, I’d say that while the rangers aren’t a tough team, they don’t have a lot of guys who can be bullied. Maybe kakko and to an extent, Mika and Chytil. But the rest are pretty stubborn.

Do you think some of our forwards stay too far on the perimeter? Sometimes I can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem like some of our guys play with a hunger to get inside the danger zones. I'm only speaking 5 on 5 not on the PP.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd want to hang onto lindgren for the remainder of the year. With gus here, this is likely the deepest blueline well be able to mount for a while. Plenty of great teams are running 11-7 as well. We have the horses at forward to double shift. Panarin, Zibanejad, Trochek, Lafreniere, feed those guys extra shifts if you want.

I'd be dealing kakko for a signed hanifin at this point. Jones too, most likely. Put Vesey on the top line. Sit Wheeler or Brodzinski or both (ideally sit Goodrow but we know that won't happen).

Gotta stop dealing youth for vets
also Lindy highest return value is now, not later

also, my earlier pt remains
develop youth without delay
add to asset base
which is useful given how critical depth is at end of the year POs

 

[NickyFotiu]

Sid is the first generational superstar that plays the game like a grinder with an incredibly elite skill set, I honestly don't recall one. He doesn't shy from contact. Watch him along the boards, like OP said he almost always wins puck battles, no one has to do it for him. There is tons of grit in his game.

In his prime and almost still today Crosby rarely gets outworked. He grinds like crazy below the goal line. Love the guy or hate the guy its hard not to see how hard he works.

 

[UnSandvich]

I mean if we were really going for broke, we could try to do Schneider+ for 50% retained Adam Larsson

 

[egelband]

Do you think some of our forwards stay too far on the perimeter? Sometimes I can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem like some of our guys play with a hunger to get inside the danger zones. I'm only speaking 5 on 5 not on the PP.

100%. They pass it around but rarely ‘take it to the hole’. This is in particular a problem for kakko. But it seems to be a team-wide thing. I’m sure we’re not the only team with this issue.

 

[NickyFotiu]

100%. They pass it around but rarely ‘take it to the hole’. This is in particular a problem for kakko. But it seems to be a team-wide thing. I’m sure we’re not the only team with this issue.

True every team has those perimeter guys but usually successful teams have some guys on their top lines that do force that issue. Espo used to just park himself in the slot. Tim Kerr was unmovable in there. Crosby almost always goes straight for that area as well as in closer. I'm not saying all our guys need to play that way but we do need some that are in our top minutes. I think that is one reason Vince is leading our teams forwards in minutes.

 

[egelband]

LOL yes Laf is making Bread. Go look up how many of Breads goals Laf assisted on. I'm happy with Laf stepping up this season but did Jesper Fast also make Bread? Maybe it is time you stop with your nonsense.

As I mentioned before Bread has been going to high danger areas this season that he avoided in last years playoffs. He is not limiting himself to being a perimeter player so far this season. Has nothing to do with baldness. Obviously people that mention Bread or Zibs hair are joking.


I have always been a CK fan. Long before it was in fashion but if I was his coach I would ask him why he does that arm around hold the other guys up check on his puck retrievals. Do you think CK is trying to protect other guys? Avoid a penalty? He has done it for years now. I'm just curious why.

I’m a CK fan too. I get on his case because I’m sure he could be more disruptive and effective on offense (5 on 5). He’s amazing defensively and on special teams. And his contract is a huge value.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I’m a CK fan too. I get on his case because I’m sure he could be more disruptive and effective on offense (5 on 5). He’s amazing defensively and on special teams. And his contract is a huge value.

Here is the irony of this board. Many people get on Drury for the Buch move. That move did turn out bad but it was partly made because we had young wingers (Laf, KK, Krav) that people felt would need top 6 spots and he needed a new contract. Back then many people wanted to trade CK for those same reasons. That would have been a horrible move.

 

[egelband]

Here is the irony of this board. Many people get on Drury for the Buch move. That move did turn out bad but it was partly made because we had young wingers (Laf, KK, Krav) that people felt would need top 6 spots and he needed a new contract. Back then many people wanted to trade CK for those same reasons. That would have been a horrible move.

I have to admit, I would have been fine with moving CK back then. Was a little more on the ‘complete rebuild’ wagon.