Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[NickyFotiu]

I have to admit, I would have been fine with moving CK back then. Was a little more on the ‘complete rebuild’ wagon.

I respect your honesty and that you kept an open mind.

 

[duhmetreE]

Wonder if it could be us, certainly in need of a winger. Canucks have been linked to Schneider in the past

I don't see a fit here unless Kakko is out until the playoffs and Vancouver retains

 

[Boris Zubov]

I don't see a fit here unless Kakko is out until the playoffs and Vancouver retains

Why is he on the block to begin with? He is coming of a year where he scored 39 goals....something must be very wrong if they soured on him so quickly & are ready to move on

 

[NickyFotiu]

Goodys injury was much more severe then I thought. Picture in the NY Post does not look like a tooth.

Barclay Goodrow did not spit out a tooth when he was struck in the face by an errant puck during a game last week in Ottawa.

So, what was it then?

“A part of my mouth that should still be in my mouth, maybe,” said the Rangers’ hard-nosed forward, whose jaw is swollen and discolored.

Barclay Goodrow’s man-of-steel reputation endures: ‘Mouth in a million pieces’

This was a completely new experience for Goodrow, who now has to find ways to take in enough protein while not being able to eat solid food for a month.

nypost.com

 

[duhmetreE]

Why is he on the block to begin with? He is coming of a year where he scored 39 goals....something must be very wrong if they soured on him so quickly & are ready to move on

Elite offensive Russian talent stereotype I would think.

Clashing with new management maybe?

 

[bernmeister]

I mean if we were really going for broke, we could try to do Schneider+ for 50% retained Adam Larsson

want to add Schneid to AL, not swap out

 

[NYR Viper]

Unless we’re somehow going with brodzinski in our top 6 next season we have no cap for hanafin next year. Hanafin is probably looking for 7x7

I think he could fit but other choices need to be made. I’d be willing to do what’s necessary

 

[SA16]

he'd be taking Scheinder out of the lineup, unless Lindgren was going the other way. there's a lot of reasons to think the Rangers wouldn't be trading for Hanifin, I highly doubt Schneider's placement in the top-6 is among them.

The chance the Rangers trade their first pairing LD mid-season who has played with their former Norris winner his whole career is near zero. That’s an off-season move. They don’t need an offensive guy like Hafanin right now anyway. They already have one on each pair with Fox, Gus, and Trouba/Miller chip in.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Unless we’re somehow going with brodzinski in our top 6 next season we have no cap for hanafin next year. Hanafin is probably looking for 7x7

Lindgren plus trading Goody gets you the space.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Lindgren plus trading Goody gets you the space.

That’s 7m great, now replace goodrow and give others raises. You’re over.

 

[Flan the incredible]

That’s 7m great, now replace goodrow and give others raises. You’re over.

Cool so you are saying we can't sign Lindgren because he would be due a raise? You can get 4th line guys for under a million evey year so replacing Goody isn't a big deal.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Ok, we need Kakko and Chytil back. They ready?

 

[mrmovies779]

Time to sell on Lindgren is now.Gus has really fallen off too

 

[Kendo]

The only way they're doing this is they can separate their love for Lindgren from whats actually happening on ice.

I can see it "in a video game." We'd have one of the best pairs in the league. Fox is top 3 or so on his own, and Hanifin is somewhere around "Fringe #1D / Great #2D." My only worry would be the cap allocation. Let's say Lindy's gonna get $4.5 x 4. and Hanifin $7 x 6. That $2.5m is a difference maker. Trade Goodrow for nothing and replace him with a replacement level player, and you're saving basically that amount. Cool.

But I'd rather allocate everything we can to upgrade at forward. Whether we miraculously trade Barclay without paying too much on top, or not. Lindgren helps us do that by being dependable at 2nd pair money going forward and a history of allowing Fox to be a Norris candidate. I'll take that drop off in points with Lindy if it comes along with a proportionately lower salary.

Key will need a bag sort of soon, and I really don't mind planning to pay him "almost whatever Hanifin's about to get" when the time comes. With Trouba's overpayment, Fox's deserved large payment, and whatever Miller gets on his next deal, I'm not sure we can go long term on Hanifin. We can get out of Trouba's contract maybe a year early, but we can't over commit before that happens without squeezing out F or G for a couple years in the process.

"In a video game," I could see planning for Hanifin - Fox and Miller - Schneider. Three highly paid guys and a slightly underpaid guy (Schneid) in the top 4. But that would be in a world where we could just "get rid of Trouba for an actual return" sooner. Right now, with how much Lindy's sub 20 points enables Fox, he is the perfect candidate for that "market rate 2nd pair guy on the 1st pair because ChEmIsTrY." LOL

Let's say you do have $2.5 to spend next season. Do you keep Lindy and sign Gus for $3.5 ($2.5 above whatever replacement player), or straight swap Lindy for Hanifin and run a tandem of Jones and Robertson with Schneider on the 3rd pair? Purely hypothetical.

I would put it towards a forward instead, but depending on what Gus wants, that would be an intriguing "status quo non-upgrade" on D instead of "trying out an upgrade" on Lindgren.

That's correct. You'd probably have to send either Kakko or Chytil to Calgary as well. Just saying what I'd like to see.

I think we need to add a forward (counting 24 and 72), so I'm not trading either until I hear a realistic replacement for that player plus another C/RW. Even if Otter gets a real shot next season, we would still need a "10th top 9 player." Goodrow was supposed to be and isn't. Wheeler's having a good game right now, but he was supposed to be and isn't.

If we trade Chytil or he is genuinely compromised, we have nothing else at 3C. I'm a BMB truther, but it's gonna be a while. We have a couple maybes in HFD, but not for next season realistically.

Trading either, we create an additional hole while having less space due to the Lindgren Hanifin upgrade. What would you like to see as a top 9 next season after trading 55 and a F for Hanifin?

20-93-78, 10-16-13, 50-??-??
One of the ?? is the one you don't trade. The other is another kid in addition to assuming Othmann sticks? A Wheeler type that actually has something left in the tank for under $1m? Berard (I wouldn't hate it LOL)?

 

[AirGut]

Noah Hanifin

 

[TheDirtyH]

The chance the Rangers trade their first pairing LD mid-season who has played with their former Norris winner his whole career is near zero. That’s an off-season move. They don’t need an offensive guy like Hafanin right now anyway. They already have one on each pair with Fox, Gus, and Trouba/Miller chip in.

Idc about whether it's likely to happen. That's not the point of these threads. I said I'd keep lindgren and trade him in the off-season, and that Schneider would be the one coming out of the lineup in this scenario. Obviously it's not what the rangers would do, but that says nothing about whether it's a good idea or not. Hanifin is not an offensive guy. He's historically driven xGF but he's also been a good to decent suppressor. He and Fox would own the puck and his presence on a pair would buy fox that much more room to maneuver and make plays. Makar has Toews, I think Fox would benefit greatly from a top pairing talent on his right.

 

[Kendo]

Lindgren plus trading Goody gets you the space.

If we make space for one move by somehow dumping Goodrow, I would rather use it on a forward than swap Lindgren for an "on paper" upgrade.

I'm listening if we somehow also get a 21ish year old C/RW that can replace Wheeler as the last piece of a top 9.

Like dudeman said, if you want Brodz in the top 6 next year (maybe 3rd line if Kakko comes back to form) then you're free to do that. You're just simply over the cap if you want to upgrade Brodz at all.

"We have no space unless Brodz is part of the plan for next year."

"Trade Lindgren and Goody then you're gtg."

Then you WANT Brodz in the top 6 or 9 to make that happen? Just to be clear.

And then your sarcastic "Cool, so we can't sign Lindgren because he would be due a raise?" You might have confused yourself. You wanted to trade 55, ID says we can't afford the increase from him to Hani, and then you fire back with "So we can't afford to keep Lindy?" We can 100% afford to retain Lindgren instead of trading him for a more expensive player (even if that player's good for twice the points).

We can get 4th liners for a pittance every year, totally, but the point is that trading Goodrow's $3.5 means $2.5 savings since he has to be replaced by a warm body at least. That $2.5 can be used elsewhere...like so that you don't have JB in the top 9.

 

[Kendo]

Idc about whether it's likely to happen. That's not the point of these threads. I said I'd keep lindgren and trade him in the off-season, and that Schneider would be the one coming out of the lineup in this scenario. Obviously it's not what the rangers would do, but that says nothing about whether it's a good idea or not. Hanifin is not an offensive guy. He's historically driven xGF but he's also been a good to decent suppressor. He and Fox would own the puck and his presence on a pair would buy fox that much more room to maneuver and make plays. Makar has Toews, I think Fox would benefit greatly from a top pairing talent on his right.

Lindgren AND Schneider out for Hanifin in? Even if you would rather get a couple JAG's for the third pair, what would the top 9 be next season? Especially if you trade 24 or 72 in the process like you said?

It feels like creating more questions than answers.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Do you even watch Crosby? For your Lady Byng consideration...

That's hilarious thats all you came up with, one of those looks like it was shot with in vhs. You can pretty much find videos on anyone in the nhl of you go looking, one of those was a slash you see 15 times a night lol

 

[TheDirtyH]

Lindgren AND Schneider out for Hanifin in? Even if you would rather get a couple JAG's for the third pair, what would the top 9 be next season? Especially if you trade 24 or 72 in the process like you said?

It feels like creating more questions than answers.

Lindgren would be in until the summer, then you need to trade him. Schneider would be the 7D the remainder of this year, then would be the 6D next year.

I would rather have Hanifin for 7-8 million than Lindgren for 4-5. In today's NHL you're garaunteed to have holes in your lineup, what separates the best teams from the fodder is how strong your strengths are and how vulnerable your weaknesses are. This team with a Fox-Hanifin top pair is much stronger than without. JMHO.

I'd trade Kakko before Chytil, but in either case, we have to acknowledge that these two are hardly irreplacable. Kakko has been about as effective as Jimmy Vesey since the latter signed with us. Chytil can't stay healthy. Your top nine would likely have a weak right side. You might patch it with a rookie, but likely you just try to find complementary wingers in the bargain bin. A couple years ago Evan Rodrigues was a tweener. There's plenty of them out there--much more so at wing than any other position.

 

[Avery16]

That's hilarious thats all you came up with, one of those looks like it was shot with in vhs. You can pretty much find videos on anyone in the nhl of you go looking, one of those was a slash you see 15 times a night lol

“Crosby doesn’t cheapshot.”

*watches multiple reels of Crosby intentionally targeting the genitalia of unsuspecting opponents facing away from him*

“The video quality of these clips is poor.”

 

[Flan the incredible]

If we make space for one move by somehow dumping Goodrow, I would rather use it on a forward than swap Lindgren for an "on paper" upgrade.

I'm listening if we somehow also get a 21ish year old C/RW that can replace Wheeler as the last piece of a top 9.

Like dudeman said, if you want Brodz in the top 6 next year (maybe 3rd line if Kakko comes back to form) then you're free to do that. You're just simply over the cap if you want to upgrade Brodz at all.

"We have no space unless Brodz is part of the plan for next year."

"Trade Lindgren and Goody then you're gtg."

Then you WANT Brodz in the top 6 or 9 to make that happen? Just to be clear.

And then your sarcastic "Cool, so we can't sign Lindgren because he would be due a raise?" You might have confused yourself. You wanted to trade 55, ID says we can't afford the increase from him to Hani, and then you fire back with "So we can't afford to keep Lindy?" We can 100% afford to retain Lindgren instead of trading him for a more expensive player (even if that player's good for twice the points).

We can get 4th liners for a pittance every year, totally, but the point is that trading Goodrow's $3.5 means $2.5 savings since he has to be replaced by a warm body at least. That $2.5 can be used elsewhere...like so that you don't have JB in the top 9.

Bit confused here. You started by saying they dont have cap space to give Hanifin 7 mill a year but Lindy who probably gets 4 mill and Goody 3.65 make 7.65 total. A replacement for the 4th line is 800k so its a difference of 150k which they easily have. Now you are saying if they have the cap space you want to spend it on a forward upgrade and if we don't we are stuck with Brodz.....why?

If the Rangers move Goody they have 19 million to spend next year and Drury just got 5 guys for 800k each (Wheeler, bonino, pitlick, gus and quick) why can't he do that again? If he does that again they have 15 million to sign Schneider, kappo and an upgrade to RW if he wants.

Kapp is going to be the interesting one because his play was so bad this year I am not sure they want to give him a raise on his current deal. Is he worth 3 mill?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

“Crosby doesn’t cheapshot.”

*watches multiple reels of Crosby intentionally targeting the genitalia of unsuspecting opponents facing away from him*

“The video quality of these clips is poor.”

Guy has been in the league since he was a kid and you come back with old vhs clips from years ago, slashes and stuff that happens all the time. I'd expect a notorious cheap shot artist to have more than 4 clips over a career that long. People love to hate on Sid, he's so far down the list of problem players the fact this narrative continues is hilarious

 

[Jauffre]

“Crosby doesn’t cheapshot.”

*watches multiple reels of Crosby intentionally targeting the genitalia of unsuspecting opponents facing away from him*

“The video quality of these clips is poor.”

He's saying it's an old clip. Crosby has definitely cleaned it up in terms of whining and cheapshot shit.

But anyway f*** Crosby.

 

[Kendo]

Lindgren would be in until the summer, then you need to trade him. Schneider would be the 7D the remainder of this year, then would be the 6D next year.

I would rather have Hanifin for 7-8 million than Lindgren for 4-5. In today's NHL you're garaunteed to have holes in your lineup, what separates the best teams from the fodder is how strong your strengths are and how vulnerable your weaknesses are. This team with a Fox-Hanifin top pair is much stronger than without. JMHO.

I'd trade Kakko before Chytil, but in either case, we have to acknowledge that these two are hardly irreplacable. Kakko has been about as effective as Jimmy Vesey since the latter signed with us. Chytil can't stay healthy. Your top nine would likely have a weak right side. You might patch it with a rookie, but likely you just try to find complementary wingers in the bargain bin. A couple years ago Evan Rodrigues was a tweener. There's plenty of them out there--much more so at wing than any other position.

If we can put together a forward corps that can compete while paying Hanifin, Fox, Miller, and Trouba, then I'm listening. There will always be holes in a lineup, but spending $30 on the top 4 D creates holes at F. I want answers at F before I sign off on that D plan.

In the past season and change since Himmy Vesey came back, he has 34 points to Kaapo's 43. This has been the high point of Vesey's career and the low point of Kakko's. Vesey's a great janitor, but he's still a JAG. I want to put cap space towards adding a top 9 RW to Laf and KK. If we spend space on Hani while trading away Kakko, then we need to add two RW with little to no space. An Othmann in the mix is possible, but when going bargain bin for the other you sometimes get Wheeler as he was his last couple seasons and sometimes you get what he is now. Again, it's generating more questions than answers.

Bit confused here. You started by saying they dont have cap space to give Hanifin 7 mill a year but Lindy who probably gets 4 mill and Goody 3.65 make 7.65 total. A replacement for the 4th line is 800k so its a difference of 150k which they easily have. Now you are saying if they have the cap space you want to spend it on a forward upgrade and if we don't we are stuck with Brodz.....why?

If the Rangers move Goody they have 19 million to spend next year and Drury just got 5 guys for 800k each (Wheeler, bonino, pitlick, gus and quick) why can't he do that again? If he does that again they have 15 million to sign Schneider, kappo and an upgrade to RW if he wants.

Kapp is going to be the interesting one because his play was so bad this year I am not sure they want to give him a raise on his current deal. Is he worth 3 mill?

I'm not assuming that Goody is movable. Let's say he is...that entire savings swaps Lindgren for Hanifin. I'm into that if there's an answer at forward. I haven't heard one.

If we trade Goody and have $19m to spend (that number checks out as far as napkin math), we still need to sign 5F, 3D, 1G. If you spend $7m on Hanifin, then you're left with $12m for 8 players. I don't see how we ice a competitive top 9 with that budget for 5F, 2D, & 1G.

And Kappo is totally worth $3m. Coming into this season, he was "supposed to be" worth a Chytil-like 4-year deal, but a horrible season turned that into a one-year stopgap to see if he earns the Chytil deal the following year.