Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Avery16]

Yes, Crosby is gritty as f***.

Crosby is incredibly calculating, putting himself in the best position to score. Will he finish every check or other performative 4th line nonsense, absolutely not, he saves his energy. But if there is a 50/50 puck battle anywhere on the ice, he will out grind anyone in the game for puck possession, 5'10 be damned.

Crosby is gritty like Marchand is, and that is to say he cowers behind larger players on his team and his star reputation, but mostly only takes cheap shots. He likes to start fights but he usually just ties down the other player and try to get the takedown. He is a repeat offender on low blows *in the NHL, not the WWE*. Plus, the whining, crying, and embellishing. I don't want a player of Crosby's character anywhere near this team. He isn't a leader, and he would demand to be the leader.

 

[Savant]

Duclair is one that actually makes sense and isn't just a fun name Brooks remembers.

If I’m dealing with the Sharks I think I’d rather try to get ZetterLux out of there, but Rangers could honestly use both if they want to get creative.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Not going to address the merits or disadvantages of bringing in Anthony Duclair instead I want to post about the math.
Going to be a bit of a wet blanket.
Anthony Duclair makes 3 million.
Even pro rated that’s about 2 million.
NYR have a little over 100k in space which means you would have to send a roster player(s) back to San Jose.
Mike Grier is rebuilding so if he is taking back salary the Rangers will have to add even more prospect(s) and or more pick(s) to get the deal done.
If Drury is not sending a roster player back, then Drury would have to clear two million out in trade(s) to other team(s)
before he can bring Duclair in.
This would cost more prospect(s) and or more pick(s).
All this for one year of a veteran forward.
This doesn’t only apply to a Duclair trade but any trade proposal for a veteran player.
It takes two sides to make a trade not just what the Rangers want but what they are willing to give up to get the deal done and with little cap space Drury would have to be willing to part with more than fair value by mortgaging part of the team’s future.
Me personally, I don’t expect much movement leading up to March 8th.

 

[bernmeister]

Not going to address the merits or disadvantages of bringing in Anthony Duclair instead I want to post about the math.
Going to be a bit of a wet blanket.
Anthony Duclair makes 3 million.
Even pro rated that’s about 2 million.
NYR have a little over 100k in space which means you would have to send a roster player(s) back to San Jose.
Mike Grier is rebuilding so if he is taking back salary the Rangers will have to add even more prospect(s) and or more pick(s) to get the deal done.
If Drury is not sending a roster player back, then Drury would have to clear two million out in trade(s) to other team(s)
before he can bring Duclair in.
This would cost more prospect(s) and or more pick(s).
All this for one year of a veteran forward.
This doesn’t only apply to a Duclair trade but any trade proposal for a veteran player.
It takes two sides to make a trade not just what the Rangers want but what they are willing to give up to get the deal done and with little cap space Drury would have to be willing to part with more than fair value by mortgaging part of the team’s future.
Me personally, I don’t expect much movement leading up to March 8th.

This guy gets it.

Also forced to play kids = development = mo assets
instead of relying on a stagnant # in a vet core.

Robertson, sink or swim, deal Jones, replace = skater w/bigger guy [yes, I am aware Robby has growing pains].
Deal Jones = likely cap improvement

 

[Peltz]

I if Kakko and Chytil come back this year, I really don't think the team should spend more cap space on wing or center. A good shut-down defensemen who can help kill penalties should be the target this spring.

By now, if you can't win a cup with Zib, Krieder, Kakko, Panarin, Tro, Laf in the top 6, with the ability to rotate in Chytil, Wheeler, Brod, Cuyle, or Vesey should any of them get injured, then you have to live with it.

On paper, that is enough offense to win a series even in tight games. You have a ton of options for roster construction while retaining a deep enough bottom 6 too.

At the end of the day, your 11 million dollar winger and 8.5 million dollar center need to produce. They have the coaching and the personnel. So I think it's time for Drury to exercise restraint and let this core of players figure it out.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I if Kakko and Chytil come back this year, I really don't think the team should spend more cap space on wing or center. A good shut-down defensemen who can help kill penalties should be the target this spring.

By now, if you can't win a cup with Zib, Krieder, Kakko, Panarin, Tro, Laf in the top 6, with the ability to rotate in Chytil, Wheeler, Brod, Cuyle, or Vesey should any of them get injured, then you have to live with it.

On paper, that is enough offense to win a series even in tight games. You have a ton of options for roster construction while retaining a deep enough bottom 6 too.

At the end of the day, your 11 million dollar winger and 8.5 million dollar center need to produce. They have the coaching and the personnel. So I think it's time for Drury to exercise restraint and let this core of players figure it out.

Out of curiosity who comes out of the lineup for that?

 

[Peltz]

Out of curiosity who comes out of the lineup for that?

Wheeler. He offers the least.

 

[GAGLine]

Not going to address the merits or disadvantages of bringing in Anthony Duclair instead I want to post about the math.
Going to be a bit of a wet blanket.
Anthony Duclair makes 3 million.
Even pro rated that’s about 2 million.
NYR have a little over 100k in space which means you would have to send a roster player(s) back to San Jose.
Mike Grier is rebuilding so if he is taking back salary the Rangers will have to add even more prospect(s) and or more pick(s) to get the deal done.
If Drury is not sending a roster player back, then Drury would have to clear two million out in trade(s) to other team(s)
before he can bring Duclair in.
This would cost more prospect(s) and or more pick(s).
All this for one year of a veteran forward.
This doesn’t only apply to a Duclair trade but any trade proposal for a veteran player.
It takes two sides to make a trade not just what the Rangers want but what they are willing to give up to get the deal done and with little cap space Drury would have to be willing to part with more than fair value by mortgaging part of the team’s future.
Me personally, I don’t expect much movement leading up to March 8th.

Good post. I'd add to this that any forward we trade for won't get PP1 time, so if the player is putting up significant PP points, expect that to not be the case here.

Out of curiosity who comes out of the lineup for that?

No one. We need to add a 7th dman to push Jones to 8th and give us more depth in case of injuries. How we are going to manage that cap-wise, I don't know, as we don't have the space to add a player without removing a player unless we are able to make use of LTIR through the end of the season.

That's why a player like Othmann makes more sense for the RW spot. He's already on the team, doesn't require waivers, doesn't cost anything to acquire, and we can call him up for the playoffs when the cap doesn't matter. Unfortunately, we don't have a similar player available on the defensive end. If any of Robertson, Mackey, Hollowell, Scanlin or Brouillard are playing for us in the playoffs, we are in trouble. I'd like to have a bigger defensive dman to slot in should Trouba or Lindgren get hurt. One that can actually play defense at the NHL level.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

let's go for Tarasenko again. Jones + 3rd for Tarasenko? Ottawa and Tarasenko might have worked out a deal where they promised to trade him to a contender at the Deadline.

 

[GAGLine]

let's go for Tarasenko again. Jones + 3rd for Tarasenko? Ottawa and Tarasenko might have worked out a deal where they promised to trade him to a contender at the Deadline.

We can't fit Tarasenko under the cap even at 50%, we don't have a 3rd round pick until 2026, and trading Jones for a winger destroys the little defensive depth we have.

 

[SA16]

I think it's pretty likely that if they were to try to trade for a rental with a cap hit they can't afford that they would try to make it a three-team deal and get the player at 25%.

 

[NYR Viper]

Good post. I'd add to this that any forward we trade for won't get PP1 time, so if the player is putting up significant PP points, expect that to not be the case here.


No one. We need to add a 7th dman to push Jones to 8th and give us more depth in case of injuries. How we are going to manage that cap-wise, I don't know, as we don't have the space to add a player without removing a player unless we are able to make use of LTIR through the end of the season.

That's why a player like Othmann makes more sense for the RW spot. He's already on the team, doesn't require waivers, doesn't cost anything to acquire, and we can call him up for the playoffs when the cap doesn't matter. Unfortunately, we don't have a similar player available on the defensive end. If any of Robertson, Mackey, Hollowell, Scanlin or Brouillard are playing for us in the playoffs, we are in trouble. I'd like to have a bigger defensive dman to slot in should Trouba or Lindgren get hurt. One that can actually play defense at the NHL level.

I feel like we make this point every year about rentals. this needs to be discussed more. Adding a shiny toy is great but they won't be used like that in NY. It's a better route to go find a depth option that can fill a specific role rather than someone putting up higher point totals due to PP time.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I feel like we make this point every year about rentals. this needs to be discussed more. Adding a shiny toy is great but they won't be used like that in NY. It's a better route to go find a depth option that can fill a specific role rather than someone putting up higher point totals due to PP time.

It’s better to add to the fringes and guys who are playing over their heads, top 6 guys who are really high end middle 6.
Get someone who’s slots down correctly to build better depth.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think trying to shore up weakness with deadline band-aids is the wrong approach. It worked two years ago, but that was also just one of those runs. We were on the brink of huge disappointment four games in.

With the cap, I don't know what Drury can pull off, but I hope were aiming at longer-term fits and especially players who augment what we're already good at. IMO the only consistency between all cup winners is that they were among the best at what they were best at.

My #1 target would be Hanafin, hopefully in a sign and trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think trying to shore up weakness with deadline band-aids is the wrong approach. It worked two years ago, but that was also just one of those runs. We were on the brink of huge disappointment four games in.

With the cap, I don't know what Drury can pull off, but I hope were aiming at longer-term fits and especially players who augment what we're already good at. IMO the only consistency between all cup winners is that they were among the best at what they were best at.

My #1 target would be Hanafin, hopefully in a sign and trade.

The only way they're doing this is they can separate their love for Lindgren from whats actually happening on ice.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Crosby is gritty like Marchand is, and that is to say he cowers behind larger players on his team and his star reputation, but mostly only takes cheap shots. He likes to start fights but he usually just ties down the other player and try to get the takedown. He is a repeat offender on low blows *in the NHL, not the WWE*. Plus, the whining, crying, and embellishing. I don't want a player of Crosby's character anywhere near this team. He isn't a leader, and he would demand to be the leader.

Crosby doesn't cower or take cheap sho ts any more than any other player...ridiculous take. Him on this team would surely guarantee a cup

 

[Boris Zubov]

Crosby doesn't cower or take cheap shots any more than any other player...ridiculous take.

I'd agree with the first half of that statement, but he's taken plenty of cheap shots knowing the refs always protect him or won't call him on it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd agree with the first half of that statement, but he's taken plenty of cheap shots knowing the refs always protect him or won't call him on it.

No worse than any other player, the spotlight is on him. Most other teams fans think Kreider is a dirty player.

 

[TheDirtyH]

The only way they're doing this is they can separate their love for Lindgren from whats actually happening on ice.

That's correct. You'd probably have to send either Kakko or Chytil to Calgary as well. Just saying what I'd like to see.

 

[Avery16]

Crosby doesn't cower or take cheap sho ts any more than any other player...ridiculous take. Him on this team would surely guarantee a cup

Do you even watch Crosby? For your Lady Byng consideration...

 

[SA16]

Who is Hafinan taking out of the lineup? They've shown zero interest in ever scratching Schneider and none of the other five guys are going to come out.

 

[McRanger92]

Who is Hafinan taking out of the lineup? They've shown zero interest in ever scratching Schneider and none of the other five guys are going to come out.

Easily Gustafsson who hasnt looked great since Fox came back. Rangers dont owe him anything and he was originally signed to be a 6/7 anyway.

 

[MrAlmost]

I think trying to shore up weakness with deadline band-aids is the wrong approach. It worked two years ago, but that was also just one of those runs. We were on the brink of huge disappointment four games in.

With the cap, I don't know what Drury can pull off, but I hope were aiming at longer-term fits and especially players who augment what we're already good at. IMO the only consistency between all cup winners is that they were among the best at what they were best at.

My #1 target would be Hanafin, hopefully in a sign and trade.

The only way they're doing this is they can separate their love for Lindgren from whats actually happening on ice.

Hanifin-Fox and Miller-Trouba would be insanely good. And yeah, Lindgren has not been too good this year. But, you have to wonder how the room would react to that. Probably not good.

Who is Hafinan taking out of the lineup? They've shown zero interest in ever scratching Schneider and none of the other five guys are going to come out.

I believe the prevailing thought is that Lindgren would be traded for Hanifin. So no one would come out of the lineup technically.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Who is Hafinan taking out of the lineup? They've shown zero interest in ever scratching Schneider and none of the other five guys are going to come out.

he'd be taking Scheinder out of the lineup, unless Lindgren was going the other way. there's a lot of reasons to think the Rangers wouldn't be trading for Hanifin, I highly doubt Schneider's placement in the top-6 is among them.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Wonder if it could be us, certainly in need of a winger. Canucks have been linked to Schneider in the past