Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

[Vitto79]

Reading skinner was vetoing trades everywhere. Really limited Carolina.

Hayes and the rest didn’t have the leverage.

Yea he’s from TO and Buffalo is close so he could resign

Canes basically said he’s gone so kinda screwed themselves

 

[Kovalev27]

Chytil and Andersson have spots to lose. I actually worry they are being forced in right now a bit to early.

But they are the faces of the rebuild the PR machine is in full motion. They are going to be on this team and if they’re not than we probably are going to try and battle for a playoff spot. Which is not the best thing long term here.

 

[NYR]

Chytil and Andersson have spots to lose. I actually worry they are being forced in right now a bit to early.

But they are the faces of the rebuild the PR machine is in full motion. They are going to be on this team and if they’re not than we probably are going to try and battle for a playoff spot. Which is not the best thing long term here.

Of course they're gonna be forced into a bad situation .
Just like Zib was into a 1st line center, Hayes a 2nd line center and Shattenkirk a #1 D.
More surprises to come I'm sure but JG isn't looking to tank

 

[Kovalev27]

Ideally I wanted us to tank this year. Clear out some dead wood get a top 5 pick and sign panarin AND Karlsson next summer.

Sounds crazy? It’s not at all. We could be right back in business for 2020 if that were the direction.

What the direction looks like however is to fight for the 8th spot. We may still go for those two guns next summer. But missing elite talent in the draft just to limp into a playoff race is the same old garbage

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How does that look like the direction?

I think the Skinner trade makes it clear why they haven't moved more players and they haven't done anything at all to really improve their roster.

 

[Kovalev27]

Again the skinner deal is not the barometer. The news is coming out he was blocking trades all over the place. Really backed Carolina into a corner.

And we literally brought everyone including Cody Mcleod back from last year. Everyone

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don’t wish that on anyone but we’ve got some depth. We’ve got 4 pretty good scoring lines there

We’ve got a lot of talent in the minors now because we didn’t open up too many spots.

Even with all we did last year we still finished 8th and the whole bottom fell out.

The switch in defensive schemes and having a competent back up goalie alone at worst keeps us around 8 to 10

As usual, you are far too optimistic. That’s easily a bottom five roster.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If I'm Carolina and that's all I get for Skinner, I just keep him.

Aren't they trying to be good?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

If I'm Carolina and that's all I get for Skinner, I just keep him.

Aren't they trying to be good?

yes, by tanking and getting another top 2 prospect.

 

[Leetch3]

Chytil and Andersson have spots to lose. I actually worry they are being forced in right now a bit to early.

But they are the faces of the rebuild the PR machine is in full motion. They are going to be on this team and if they’re not than we probably are going to try and battle for a playoff spot. Which is not the best thing long term here.

i think odds are both start the year in ny...but the lack of trading away anyone i think if anything makes it the opposite. they didn't create holes where they are forced to put kids on the roster whether they are ready or not

 

[Leetch3]

As usual, you are far to optimistic. That’s easily a bottom five roster.

predicting that the worst case scenario will come true isn't optimistic at all

 

[aufheben]

Draft Hell doesn’t exist anymore. Look at the lottery odds and results.

Why are people so concerned with how good the Rangers are going to be next year?

 

[Tawnos]

Draft Hell doesn’t exist anymore. Look at the lottery odds and results.

Why are people so concerned with how good the Rangers are going to be next year?

Well... draft hell is now more like missing the playoffs perpetually and never winning the lottery. Totally possible.

And yeah, I have no idea why anyone is concerned with our potential record.

 

[Leetch3]

Draft Hell doesn’t exist anymore. Look at the lottery odds and results.

Why are people so concerned with how good the Rangers are going to be next year?

lottery odds are still much better the lower you finish but you can also only fall 3 spots. if you finish last you aren't guaranteed the top pick but you are guaranteed that the worst you can pick is 4th so its still a plus to finish as low as possible

 

[aufheben]

Well... draft hell is now more like missing the playoffs perpetually and never winning the lottery. Totally possible.

And yeah, I have no idea why anyone is concerned with our potential record.

Hah yeah I guess that’s true. I’m just excited to see how certain players do, Quinn, etc. Although 6 months from now I’ll probably be waiving the tank pom-poms again, so.

I like to think that I’ve accepted the Rangers will probably be bad for an undetermined amount of time, but maybe everyone says that at the beginning of rebuilds.

 

[Kovalev27]

For a team lacking elite players draft hell Is very much a thing. We need a top 5 pick badly.

 

[aufheben]

For a team lacking elite players draft hell Is very much a thing. We need a top 5 pick badly.

Yeah but it’s not a dire situation like it used to be. You don’t HAVE to finish last anymore.

 

[Kovalev27]

I didn’t say last anywhere in any thread.

I said they need a top 5 pick. And they do desperately. There is some serious elite talent at the top of this draft. No gordie Clark crap either. Take one of the elite kids in the top 5

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree. Build as much of a winning culture as you can at all times. Trying to set up for failure is moronic. I also agree with Kovalev27... the team isn't terrible. I'm not judging that defense until I see them play under Quinn, but the forwards and depth provide plenty potential for scoring. Most likely they end up battling with a couple teams for the 8th spot if they stay healthy.

Or, they completely bomb out like a bunch of mediocre vets with no star talent and young guys that need development definitely could. Then, in the team's current situation, awesome. We'll get a better pick. But I'm not rooting for it.

This is a time for precision moves... quality over quantity and Gorton has plenty of puzzle pieces to play with.

From Jan 1st, heres how many points teams accumulated. (Eastern Conference teams bolded)

Nashville-66
Boston-64
Winnipeg-62
Pittsburgh-59
Philadelphia-58
Minnesota-58
Toronto-57
Florida-57
Anaheim-57
San Jose-56
Tampa-55
Vegas-55
Colorado-54
Washington-54
Columbus-50
LA- 47
Arizona-47
New Jersey-47
Dallas-45
St. Louis - 44
Calgary-41
Edmonton-41
Carolina-40
NYI-36
Vancouver-36
Montreal-35
Ottawa-35
Detroit-34
Chicago-34
Buffalo-33
NYR-30

I said this earlier, but this team was literally the worst team in the league once the calendar hit 2018 and not much has changed (roster wise.) The forward depth while not horrendous, is not exactly great either and as much as we may not want to admit it, AV's system had us scoring (though that dropped off last year.) If you're going to assume that the defense will be better with a change in systems, its only fair to assume that the offense will be worse, we don't exactly have the type of roster you want to play Quinn's system.

Now there are teams that have made massive leaps in a year. NJ went from picking 1OA to getting into the playoffs and Colorado had one of the worst seasons in the history of our sport in 2016-17 and also made it in, but those 2 teams also had the Hart Trophy winner and the runner up - We don't have anyone capable of doing that.

I think you can look at the 8 of the bottom 9 from that list and group them together (I refuse to believe Chicago will be that bad again) with Carolina and Buffalo really on the periphery, Buffalo because of all the talent they have (it still may not be enough) and Carolina because I think they're fine up front and great on D, but their goaltending may have actually gotten worse.

They may not be bottom 3 bad, but they're certainly bottom 8 bad on paper at least and the only way they'll be top 8 good in the conference is if pretty much everything goes right.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

A few things:

1. As has been stated, if anyone wonders why Zucc (and to a lesser extent Spooner/Namestnikov) are still here...there’s your proof. Rough trade market. JG waiting for the TDL seems prudent to me.

2. I almost wonder if the pendulum has swung too far RE young assets. The opportunities are out there to build a solid lineup looking for trade steals. Hard to reconcile with my firm belief that to contend consistently you need elite talent...but basically if the NYR can do that I would be pretty supportive of consistently dealing picks to deepen the lineup.

 

[bobbop]

The Skinner trade sent a shudder up my spine. If that’s the market for a forward one year away from UFA with pretty solid credentials, it means our candidates may be camping here for quite a while.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Gorton did very well with Nash. If Zuc and Hayes are performing as advertised, he should do well with both. If Hayes has a down year, maybe he'll settle on a 3-4 year contract here.

I worry with Zuc that he's completely plateaued. He's a nice player but slightly over 50 points on a team with depth seems to be his limit. He disappears for stretched every season. His production may even dip more that he's one of the main guys.

 

[Cag29]

Were bringing back literally the same team we had at the end of February and adding healthy kreider and Shattenkirk with a better back up goalie. We’re in draft hell. 9-12 range.

I don’t see us bottoming out at all with the roster gorton decided to cling to.

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Namestnikov Chytil Zucc
Spooner Hayes Fast
Vesey Nieves Andersson
Mcleod

Skjei Shattenkirk
Smith DeAngelo
Staal Pionk
Claesson

Hank
Georgiev

That’s not a bottom 5 team. It’s also not good.

That’s where my problem arises.

I vote to bottom out. We need a superstar. Jack Hughes is what this team needs. I rather suffer this season. And get to watch this kid the next decade.

 

[Cag29]

From Jan 1st, heres how many points teams accumulated. (Eastern Conference teams bolded)

Nashville-66
Boston-64
Winnipeg-62
Pittsburgh-59
Philadelphia-58
Minnesota-58
Toronto-57
Florida-57
Anaheim-57
San Jose-56
Tampa-55
Vegas-55
Colorado-54
Washington-54
Columbus-50
LA- 47
Arizona-47
New Jersey-47
Dallas-45
St. Louis - 44
Calgary-41
Edmonton-41
Carolina-40
NYI-36
Vancouver-36
Montreal-35
Ottawa-35
Detroit-34
Chicago-34
Buffalo-33
NYR-30

I said this earlier, but this team was literally the worst team in the league once the calendar hit 2018 and not much has changed (roster wise.) The forward depth while not horrendous, is not exactly great either and as much as we may not want to admit it, AV's system had us scoring (though that dropped off last year.) If you're going to assume that the defense will be better with a change in systems, its only fair to assume that the offense will be worse, we don't exactly have the type of roster you want to play Quinn's system.

Now there are teams that have made massive leaps in a year. NJ went from picking 1OA to getting into the playoffs and Colorado had one of the worst seasons in the history of our sport in 2016-17 and also made it in, but those 2 teams also had the Hart Trophy winner and the runner up - We don't have anyone capable of doing that.

I think you can look at the 8 of the bottom 9 from that list and group them together (I refuse to believe Chicago will be that bad again) with Carolina and Buffalo really on the periphery, Buffalo because of all the talent they have (it still may not be enough) and Carolina because I think they're fine up front and great on D, but their goaltending may have actually gotten worse.

They may not be bottom 3 bad, but they're certainly bottom 8 bad on paper at least and the only way they'll be top 8 good in the conference is if pretty much everything goes right.

Let’s keep it going.

 

[Tawnos]

From Jan 1st, heres how many points teams accumulated. (Eastern Conference teams bolded)

Nashville-66
Boston-64
Winnipeg-62
Pittsburgh-59
Philadelphia-58
Minnesota-58
Toronto-57
Florida-57
Anaheim-57
San Jose-56
Tampa-55
Vegas-55
Colorado-54
Washington-54
Columbus-50
LA- 47
Arizona-47
New Jersey-47
Dallas-45
St. Louis - 44
Calgary-41
Edmonton-41
Carolina-40
NYI-36
Vancouver-36
Montreal-35
Ottawa-35
Detroit-34
Chicago-34
Buffalo-33
NYR-30

I said this earlier, but this team was literally the worst team in the league once the calendar hit 2018 and not much has changed (roster wise.) The forward depth while not horrendous, is not exactly great either and as much as we may not want to admit it, AV's system had us scoring (though that dropped off last year.) If you're going to assume that the defense will be better with a change in systems, its only fair to assume that the offense will be worse, we don't exactly have the type of roster you want to play Quinn's system.

Now there are teams that have made massive leaps in a year. NJ went from picking 1OA to getting into the playoffs and Colorado had one of the worst seasons in the history of our sport in 2016-17 and also made it in, but those 2 teams also had the Hart Trophy winner and the runner up - We don't have anyone capable of doing that.

I think you can look at the 8 of the bottom 9 from that list and group them together (I refuse to believe Chicago will be that bad again) with Carolina and Buffalo really on the periphery, Buffalo because of all the talent they have (it still may not be enough) and Carolina because I think they're fine up front and great on D, but their goaltending may have actually gotten worse.

They may not be bottom 3 bad, but they're certainly bottom 8 bad on paper at least and the only way they'll be top 8 good in the conference is if pretty much everything goes right.

A lot of that occurred after the letter, so I’m not sure how many conclusions can be drawn from their record.

Not to mention injuries and a team that was no longer responsive to the coach.

I’m not saying the team will be any good. I’m just saying using what happened last year to project this year doesn’t work.