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Who's the college guy from Boston?
I'd be game for signing Brouwer to a 1 or 2 year deal for a low cap hit (say $1.5m)
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Who's the college guy from Boston?
I'd be game for signing Brouwer to a 1 or 2 year deal for a low cap hit (say $1.5m)
Irishguy42
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Hayes to Sharks.
They lost out on Tavares. Their center depth will need someone like Hayes soon enough.
They lost out on Tavares. Their center depth will need someone like Hayes soon enough.
Where is Libor Hájek in that lineup? I`m almost 110% certain he is NHL ready for sure. It`s a little of both Gorton said a rebuid in mind, but also a retool.
And I doubt we will see any trade moves until next deadline window in late march 2019 by the way.
- And woah u can`t have Lias our 7th pick on the 4th line.
Believe me I want hajek in there!
We made no room for anyone other than Chytil and Andersson
I actually think the F group is solid and Hank will still be good
The D is pretty bad though
Skjei is the only long term piece
Shatty still good for pts not D though
Just waiting to trade Staal and Smith if feasible
Kampfer, Claesson , Gilmour , O’Gara just fillers imo till Lindgren , Hajek , Day develop
I have good for Pionk sticking in the top 6
DeAngelo I doubt it. Hope I’m wrong
The D is pretty bad though
Skjei is the only long term piece
Shatty still good for pts not D though
Just waiting to trade Staal and Smith if feasible
Kampfer, Claesson , Gilmour , O’Gara just fillers imo till Lindgren , Hajek , Day develop
I have good for Pionk sticking in the top 6
DeAngelo I doubt it. Hope I’m wrong
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Great post, if they are doing everything they can to get a top pick, I think we will see most of the youth in the AHL this year rather than on the NHL team.
Unless one of the teenagers crushes camp, preseason what would be the point of starting him on a not so good NHL team?
All that does is maybe make the NHL team slightly better, but there are some downsides beyond that.
Both Chytil and Andersson at least according to cap friendly have contracts that can slide if they do not play in 10 or more NHL games their entry level contracts get extended for a year. I do not expect them to play in 10 or less games, however...
If they are not on the NHL roster for 40 games, it pushes their UFA status back a year as that would not be considered an accrued NHL season. To become a UFA player needs 7 NHL years accrued or to be 27 year old. By them not playing an accrued season this year they are going to not reach those 7 years required as quickly as they could.
Is this team closer to having better draft lottery odds by keeping Holland, Beleskey, Mcleod, Claesson, Kampfer up to start the year instead of the prospects?
Not saying they are definitely going to go that direction, more so if there is any doubt the prospects are ready physically or even emotionally, I think they are going to play them in the AHL, hope the AHL team has a good season, make moves at the NHL deadlines to add more futures and then bring up the youth when it's no longer possible for them to attain an accrued season.
That also leaves them with the possibility of maybe even getting some meager return for Holland, Beleskey, Mcleod, Claesson, Kampfer if any of them play well enough to garner anything at the deadline. Would any of them them being added to say Zucc and/or Hayes bring back a better deadline return should they play well enough?
It would not surprise me either way, yet I think the prospects are going to have to really show they are completely ready beyond any doubt for them to start the season on the Rangers. Rangers have a new to the organization coaching staff, they are new to the NHL, is asking them to develop some rookie prospects, along with turning Buch, Pionk, ADA even Skjei into better NHL players too much to ask? Is putting them on what is likely to be a not very good NHL team the right thing to do? Is it going to hurt their development to play in the AHL, if so, what is wrong with the AHL?
Without camp and preseason having played out it's difficult to say where those prospects are developmentally, yet if they are not ready I don't think that should be considered a bad thing if they are not on the NHL team to start. I think it may actually be better long term if the AHL team actually had all it's best prospects together on it and maybe had a winning atmosphere down there, something that has been eluding them for a while. Add in the future contract implications and maybe it makes more sense to just let this process play out even if it takes a little longer than many fans or even some within Rangers management would like.
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Ghost of jas
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The forward group is mediocre unless Kreider, Zibanejad and Buchnevich reach levels they have yet to reach in the NHL. The 4th line is a black hole. And there is no depth to withstand injuries. I expect both Andersson and Chytil to begin the year in Hartford. If either or both make the team, I would expect maybe 30-35 points at best for each.
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He’s also injury prone and had full dictation of his trade destination.
Also, Gorton isn’t Don Waddell. Nash had clauses as well and he STILL got more for him than Waddell got for Skinner.
I’d be surprised if they are in Hartford. Chytil made the team out of camp last year and he had time in the AHL
They won’t rush them but they should be ready in a team that will roll 4 lines
If the 4th line is McLeod , Holland , Belesky it’s horrible but if it’s Andersson , Fast , Lettieri it’s not
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
You don't have a point and I told you that you need to not attack people. Disagreements are fine. they happen all the time. But we aren't discussing a private conversation here.
We all didn't agree on anything. Many of us said they should be dealt for the right return and to not just dump our vets for whatever we can get. I don't know where you get ALL agreeing from.
I have done nothing hypocritical.
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Buffalo seems like a good destination for him. He had a full NMC and that dminishes his value immensely.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Thank you.
Still. Even if that is the case, I would think one could squeeze out a 1st or something a bit better for a goal scorer like Skinner.
Edge
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Exactly.
I've already debated the Kreider thing to death on here and the belief that he is somehow an established 25-30 goal scorer.
We can use words like maybe and if and should and could until we're blue in the face.
We can sit here and debate whether certain guys are legit first line players, are more ideally suited to second line duty on better teams.
We can point to all the advanced stats and charts and meme worthy, sarcastic posts we want.
But the reality is that if Chris Kreider is once again scoring at a 21 goal/45 point pace, and Zibanejad is hovering around the 50-55 point mark, this team is going to be swimming against the tide.
I don't know if it's a form of denial because no one enjoys heading into a season that feels long before it even begins, or a genuine overestimation of this team's ability, but this is a team that is far more likely to lose 40+ games than it is to challenge for a playoff spot.
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Edge
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I get that Skinner is somewhat one-dimensional and a UFA, but nothing in that return sounds terribly enticing.
It also potentially offers an insight into what kind of offers the Rangers were staring at for some of the players who weren't expected to still be on the roster.
I'll say it again, I'm quite happy with the deadline moves we made and their timing.
Ghost of jas
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We’ve been doing this for many years, so you would think lessons would be learned. This roster is so full of questions that people all assume will be answered positively. Yes, the Rangers had to play with the likes of Gilmour, Sproul and O’Gara last year because of injuries, and also lost Kreider and Zibanejad. Well, that’s what is likely to happen again this year and we saw the results - the worst record in the league from January on. If anything, the roster could be worse. I think there is complete denial in how bad this team will be. ‘Montreal will be bad’, but Henke will keep the Rangers from sucking, and Price won’t. Quinn will make the Rangers better, but a Stanley Cup-winning coach won’t do this same for the Islanders. The Rangers are adding youth, but the Canes having Svechnikov, the Sanres having Dahlin and the Wings having Zadina doesn’t matter. Teams like the Sabres, Islanders, Canucks and Wings have all made moves to reach mediocrity. To Gorton’s credit, he’s allowing this rebuild to happen organically, and not making the playoffs the goal. If the kids force themselves onto the roster, then I think Gorton will move players out to create space. But, just because a Howden or Andersson forces his way into the lineup, that doesn’t mean there is going to be immediate success.
Edge
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The last part of is especially important.
If these kids make the transition to the NHL this season, there are going to be bumps in the road. The expectations for production should be fairly modest and success is going to be primarily measured in growth more so than statistical achievement at this point.
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Skinner's had at least 4 concussions and maybe even a few more. A lot of that doesn't always get counted--the upper body injuries--missing games with a stiff neck--shit like that. Some of them have been bad ones. He's got a unique skating style (he use to be a very good figure skater and he morphed that skill into his skating) but he's not a big guy and he doesn't always keep his head up and that skating style IMO leaves him vulnerable at times. If the Sabres extend him several years I think they'll end up regretting it. IMO--he's a guy who will not make it into his mid-30's---who might not even make it to 30.
Anyway I'll reiterate on the Rangers forward group--we have a bunch of very good 2nd and 3rd line players. We don't really have any proven 1st line players--of the group we do have I think Zuccarello is the only one who has ever put up 60 points in a season. Actual production matters and matters more than projected production. What's more---it's a soft group......and this coming year there are going to be younger inexperienced guys breaking in maybe a little bit early. The good thing is there is a lot more overall skill in the pipeline even than a year ago.
Anyway I'll reiterate on the Rangers forward group--we have a bunch of very good 2nd and 3rd line players. We don't really have any proven 1st line players--of the group we do have I think Zuccarello is the only one who has ever put up 60 points in a season. Actual production matters and matters more than projected production. What's more---it's a soft group......and this coming year there are going to be younger inexperienced guys breaking in maybe a little bit early. The good thing is there is a lot more overall skill in the pipeline even than a year ago.
For all this talk about how good our forward group is....
Is it really that good? Because the way I see it they're near the bottom of their conference in that regard too.
Tampa
Toronto
Boston
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington
Columbus (as long as Panarin stays)
Florida
Are all clearly better up front than we are IMO.
Then you have teams like NJD,Buffalo and NYI that are more top heavy, but their best players are better than anything we can throw out there. Carolina is sort of like us, except they've got Svechnikov.
Then the two Canadian shit shows, our group is better than both of theirs.
Is it really that good? Because the way I see it they're near the bottom of their conference in that regard too.
Tampa
Toronto
Boston
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington
Columbus (as long as Panarin stays)
Florida
Are all clearly better up front than we are IMO.
Then you have teams like NJD,Buffalo and NYI that are more top heavy, but their best players are better than anything we can throw out there. Carolina is sort of like us, except they've got Svechnikov.
Then the two Canadian shit shows, our group is better than both of theirs.
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I'm quite content with their off-season even if they do nothing else, even if their best prospects start in the AHL.
I do question the Hayes choice but I think he may have driven them to it more so than they wanted it to turn out as such.
I also question the Skjei contract as being a little too high, not much risk on his part in there, but if the Rangers have confidence in that they might have the proper read.
I do question the Hayes choice but I think he may have driven them to it more so than they wanted it to turn out as such.
I also question the Skjei contract as being a little too high, not much risk on his part in there, but if the Rangers have confidence in that they might have the proper read.
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From your lips to Gortons ears!!! I want a young potential superstar to cheer for it Hughes. Turcotte kakko. Etc. it’s the only way to acquire a player like them which we desparely need. I can suffer thru a bad season. I will hope the new coach concentrates on developing the young players into a system that best works for the group he has. We have a nice group of prospects right now. It’s exciting. Imagine capping it off with 3 or four more first rounders in 2019 with one of those players mentioned above as the centerpiece. Now that’s exciting!! Then we sign a Ugandan that fits. Then we compete. And hopefully get a few more cups!!! We’ be been loyal fans we deserve it. LGR!!!
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I think they are in the mix with them but I still think they are likely nearer to the top of that group than they are at the bottom.
Ghost of jas
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You have already shown how bad the Rangers were last year from January on. I’m not sure I can exactly what suddenly makes this team any better.
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