Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Now with less frenzy!

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telling there was no real market for Skinner. CAR badly needs forwards, wants to make the POs and... traded him?

what are they even doing

idk about you but I'd keep the legit 1st liner over a random B prospect and a 2nd and a 3rd

like zucc. keep zucc.
 
I think a bigger takeaway here is with the league very homogenized, teams aren't willing to pony up in trades for 40-55 point guys when they seemingly exist everywhere. And no one is trading superstars.

This is probably a correct strategy, tbh.

Like... maybe not now, but you can plug a Matt Stajan of a few years ago into a random top-6 and he'd probably get 48 points, or Zucc (who's clearly better) who gets... 53?

I think we're seeing our old ideas of late 20s top liner going for 2 top prospects, a 1st, and another pick is outdated and left for video games at this point.
 
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They pretty much were the second half of last year without Henke sucking.
It depends on a few things, namely no trades from now until the deadline, and Chytil and Andersson making the team and contributing. If that doesn't happen then yeah, maybe that is what occurs. But on paper I think there are more than 2 teams that are worse. Buffalo, Vancouver, Islanders, Ottawa at a minimum.
 
telling there was no real market for Skinner. CAR badly needs forwards, wants to make the POs and... traded him?

what are they even doing

idk about you but I'd keep the legit 1st liner over a random B prospect and a 2nd and a 3rd

like zucc. keep zucc.

Zuccs not a legit 1st liner anymore.

Keep him until someone gets desperate enough to give up more for him than what Skinner just got. Letting him walk would be bad, extending him would be worse.
 
It depends on a few things, namely no trades from now until the deadline, and Chytil and Andersson making the team and contributing. If that doesn't happen then yeah, maybe that is what occurs. But on paper I think there are more than 2 teams that are worse. Buffalo, Vancouver, Islanders, Ottawa at a minimum.

Bolded are questionable.

Think the Rangers are just as likely, if not more likely to be worse than any of those teams but I'll buy that they're more or less in the same group.
 
Bolded are questionable.

Think the Rangers are just as likely, if not more likely to be worse than any of those teams but I'll buy that they're more or less in the same group.
Add in Detroit and Montreal, and I just don't see a bottom-3 finish pending trades/rookies not contributing/overwhelming injuries.
 
They pretty much were the second half of last year without Henke sucking.
They were regularly icing a defense that consisted of Sproul, O'Gara, Gilmour and Pionk after the TDL. Two actual rookies and two guys with 40 games between them. And they had to play real minutes. Pionk stepped straight into a 1RD role.

Shattenkirk is back, and for all his shortcomings, is better than Rob f***ing O'Gara, for instance. Claesson may be better than the three non-Pionk players. I mean if you just made those two changes you're automatically better on defense. Hopefully Pionk settles in while playing a more reasonable role and maybe even Smith can return to form and rejoin the lineup.

Then, there's the issue of the implementation of a system that the guys hopefully understand and can handle. I really expect that the team is going to be better defensively--not allowing 35-50 shots with regularity like they were after the deadline.

Offense should be average-ish. Depends on who makes it and of it's kids, how quickly they start to produce.

I think we're bad, but I don't think bottom three. I can't name the teams I think will be worse because too much can happen to change a team's fortune, but I think they probably finish maybe sixth or seventh from the bottom.
 
Blueshirt Banter has Rangers linked to a Russian winger Sergei Shumakov who had 40 points in 47 games for CSKA last year. Apparently he's holding himself out of training camp and trying to get his team to release him.

On Skinner--good player---a bit inconsistent. He could be one headache away from career over. He's had a lot of concussions. Only one year left on his current contract.
 
Not a great return for a guy who is 1 year removed from a 37 goal season. Even if he is a UFA at the end of the year. I do like Pu as a prospect though.

Kinda get the feeling that Skinner told Waddel he wasn't going to stay in Carolina and Waddel just wanted to get the deal done before the season started.
 
It depends on a few things, namely no trades from now until the deadline, and Chytil and Andersson making the team and contributing. If that doesn't happen then yeah, maybe that is what occurs. But on paper I think there are more than 2 teams that are worse. Buffalo, Vancouver, Islanders, Ottawa at a minimum.

I will repeat what I have been saying all along....there are too many question marks that all to be answered affirmatively for this team to not be a bottom five team. And that rarely happens.
 
They were regularly icing a defense that consisted of Sproul, O'Gara, Gilmour and Pionk after the TDL. Two actual rookies and two guys with 40 games between them. And they had to play real minutes. Pionk stepped straight into a 1RD role.

Shattenkirk is back, and for all his shortcomings, is better than Rob ****ing O'Gara, for instance. Claesson may be better than the three non-Pionk players. I mean if you just made those two changes you're automatically better on defense. Hopefully Pionk settles in while playing a more reasonable role and maybe even Smith can return to form and rejoin the lineup.

Then, there's the issue of the implementation of a system that the guys hopefully understand and can handle. I really expect that the team is going to be better defensively--not allowing 35-50 shots with regularity like they were after the deadline.

Offense should be average-ish. Depends on who makes it and of it's kids, how quickly they start to produce.

I think we're bad, but I don't think bottom three. I can't name the teams I think will be worse because too much can happen to change a team's fortune, but I think they probably finish maybe sixth or seventh from the bottom.

They were bad before that. Look at the record from late December on.
 
Bolded are questionable.

Think the Rangers are just as likely, if not more likely to be worse than any of those teams but I'll buy that they're more or less in the same group.

Buffalo should be better but not sure about the canucks or Isles. I mean the Isles only finished slightly ahead of them but lost their franchise player. Their offence which was their only strength is now gone w/o JT.
 
Keep Zucca and make him captain please and thank you.

He's this teams leading scorer without question and really needs to be on the top line.

Two big question marks I'd like to know more about are Meskanen & Lindqvist..
 
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Bolded are questionable.

Think the Rangers are just as likely, if not more likely to be worse than any of those teams but I'll buy that they're more or less in the same group.

Both Vancouver and Detroit are being criticized because they aren’t bottoming out. And Trotz will give the Islanders some semblance of a defensive structure. Montreal could suck, but if Henke is supposed to keep the Rangers from sucking, shouldn’t a healthy Price do the same for the Canadiens?

The only team I can guarantee will be worse than the Rangers is the tire fire known as Ottawa.
 
Add in Detroit and Montreal, and I just don't see a bottom-3 finish pending trades/rookies not contributing/overwhelming injuries.

Yes Montreal and Detroit too.

Here is a fun fact though:
From january 1st on, the Rangers literally had the worst record in the league (with Hank posting a 920+ sv percentage in January and March.) Worse than Vancouver, Worse than Buffalo, worse than Montreal who started to sit players with ingrown hairs and hurt feelings once they fell out of it.

Thats more than half a seasons worth of games. There is no doubt that the Rangers suffered their share of injuries, but its not like other teams didn't.
 
Buffalo should be better but not sure about the canucks or Isles. I mean the Isles only finished slightly ahead of them but lost their franchise player. Their offence which was their only strength is now gone w/o JT.

If you don't think their defense takes a step forward with Trotz your kidding yourself.

Plus they're going to be trying to win. I'm not so sure thats going to be the Rangers #1 objective this season.

Vancouver has a really nice cache of young players already with the team or about to break in. Another team that is going to try to push for a playoff spot. I'd love to take advantage of them at the TDL.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that’s not a horrible deal for 1 year of Skinner?

Good prospect, 2nd, 3rd, 6th

I mean it’s quantity, but it doesn’t seem horrible to me
 
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