will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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Top Gun: Panarin
$81.5M budget
Flops
$81.5M budget
Flops
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Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)
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Harbour Dog
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There is a very real chance that I would cry from frustration if we made this trade.
Fitzy
Very Stable Genius
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Panarin has his flaws but it’s not like NYR could go out and get anyone better for just cash right away.
Panarin is probably one of the best 5 players to hit real open market UFA in his prime (Before being over 30) in the cap era. Everyone else gets locked up by the owning team.
Panarin is probably one of the best 5 players to hit real open market UFA in his prime (Before being over 30) in the cap era. Everyone else gets locked up by the owning team.
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
Yup, comparing his contract to other stars who never hit free agency is dishonest; on top of that Panarin was the headliner of the last free agent class before covid lockdowns/flat cap. The cap was expected to go up before that. He's also the all time leader in P/GP as a Ranger so there's that.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
MIka is going to break into the top ten ALL TIME Rangers scoring list this year.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Life without Panarin would be a blessing along with 11+ to go shopping with .
Drury likely just takes that and signs three more Goodrows.
eco's bones
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There's been a decline in Artemi's play season to season since we signed him and he's not been very good in the playoffs. For me I'd kind of give him a pass for the 21-22 or at least against Tampa as his most frequent linemates Strome was badly hurt and Copp wasn't 100% either. Against NJ last year though he was putrid. Missing in action.
As far as shopping now there's not a lot left to shop for. Still his salary is a burden and for what he makes he needs to be better.
I've been through some of my issues with him but to reiterate. He needs to play better in big games against the best teams. The cross the blue line, curl and pass play gets picked off too much for opponents breakaways. His extending his shifts on the ice needs to stop. His defensive play is not always very good. Sometimes he throws the puck away instead of taking the hit.
But really when a player gets paid higher than his teammates there is going to be extra attention on him. The expectations are greater and it's not just point production. That player carries more weight for the overall success of the team.....and to me it's fair that he does.
NYR Viper
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Last year, the league had:
36 players at or over a ppg with a minimum of 65 games played.
The Rangers had 2, Zibanejad and Panarin.
The league had 16 players at or over 60 assists
The Rangers had 2, Fox and Panarin.
This idea that just ridding the team of Panarin would somehow make them 'better' is horseshit. Straight up horseshit.
36 players at or over a ppg with a minimum of 65 games played.
The Rangers had 2, Zibanejad and Panarin.
The league had 16 players at or over 60 assists
The Rangers had 2, Fox and Panarin.
This idea that just ridding the team of Panarin would somehow make them 'better' is horseshit. Straight up horseshit.
There is no doubt this team would be worse without Shooter McGavin . The issue is the cap hit and when he only has 2 assists in 7 playoff games, that is the biggest issue for someone with a 11.6 million cap hit.
I’m willing for him to sacrifice about 10 points in the regular season and add that to his playoff numbers.
That's ok, we don't have to slavishly capitulate and go instant win now. We can hold that in the bank and use cap when opportunity presents itself.
Had this happened earlier and resulted in a contract termination, while we still stupidly wasted cap against my suggestions otherwise, I would have gotten KAM max 8 yrs 6.25, MAYBE 6.5, finalized, saving us cap long term.
very well said
kudos
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
That said, it is factually true and appropriate to call out that losing bread ALSO = losing his immense cap hit, and while that must be properly deployed, not pissed away in the follow up, there is an opportunity gain realized by having that cap in the bank.
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
Some other notables:
Yes - Mika needs 53 points to surpass Graves for 10th on the all time Rangers scoring leaders (508 points)
Mika is two hat tricks shy of tying the all time franchise record (9 - Bill Cook)
Mika is one goal shy of tying the all time franchise record for OT goals (7 - Leetch)
Kreider needs 25 PPG to surpass Camille Henry (and before him, Graves, Leetch & Gilbert) for the most in franchise history (116)
Mika is 3 behind Kreider in that category.
Panarin is 3 goals shy of tying the most empty netters (11 - Grabner)
Igor is one win away from 100 career wins
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
The "but we could do so much with his cap hit" argument is so exhausting.
If we couldn't build a winner with the $72.4m remaining, the additional $11.6m isn't suddenly getting us over the hump.
This team is 2-3 really good players away even with Panarin, and the only way they're getting 2-3 really good players is to get more out of the players they have.
If we couldn't build a winner with the $72.4m remaining, the additional $11.6m isn't suddenly getting us over the hump.
This team is 2-3 really good players away even with Panarin, and the only way they're getting 2-3 really good players is to get more out of the players they have.
NYR Viper
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This I understand but I have yet to really see a good option to help replace his actual production.
For example, next off-season, let's say they get him to waive his NMC and he is traded. Let's assume the trade brings back:
A salary dump of $3m of a player who is a 3rd/4th liner
A middle-6 forward who makes $5m
1st round pick
That leaves the Rangers with $3.6m in cap space and they would need to make up the difference in production.
I could get behind a move of Panarin but I think we need to be cognizant that the return may not be $11.6m in cap space and the UFA group, after Matthews and Nylander who I am assuming will sign, isn't great.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
That's the thing: this is what the return more realistically looks like.
People have this idea that we're dumping Panarin and getting two top line wingers that are slightly worse than Panarin (because it's 2012 and star wingers make $6m).
I totally hear @Leonardo87's criticism but I don't think there's answer other than "hope it improves."
That was basically Vegas' approach to finally winning the Cup. Their players played better. That's a hard cap league.
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I think Panarin has his best season under Lavi. If he can keep his PP production up and go back to 'Torts inspired Panarin' at even strength.....
now we're cooking with gas.... which is soon to be illegal
now we're cooking with gas.... which is soon to be illegal
NYR Viper
Registered User
I agree with this. The teams best chance this year is for this to happen and the young players to take a step.
will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
The guy said he shaved his head because he was ashamed of his playoffs and there was evil spirits on his hair. Never heard a player say something like that, I’m a believer. I think firing guns in the air and getting arrested is just the beginning, he’s going to get revenge on Wilson this year. He’s going to be unhinged. 150pt szn & conn smythe coming
Panarin is never going to return to what he was in year 1 or what he was before he signed here. People need to let that dream go and stop blaming coaching for his decline.
He'll likely continue to decline in production because thats what aging players do. At this point I give very few f***s what he does in the regular season as there isn't really room for improvement there that is going to move the needle in any significant way. It's the post season where he has a massive room for positive growth as it really can't get any worse than he's been. I'd rather he be a sub PPG in the RS and win the Conn Smythe than see a Hart worthy season only to watch him flame out in the playoffs again.
He'll likely continue to decline in production because thats what aging players do. At this point I give very few f***s what he does in the regular season as there isn't really room for improvement there that is going to move the needle in any significant way. It's the post season where he has a massive room for positive growth as it really can't get any worse than he's been. I'd rather he be a sub PPG in the RS and win the Conn Smythe than see a Hart worthy season only to watch him flame out in the playoffs again.
NYR Viper
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Alright, again, we need to look at this with some context...
21-22
16 points in 20 games in the playoffs. He was playing with an injured Copp and injured Strome. I'm not excusing the eye test here, but points-wise, he wasn't horrendous. The way some people talk about this post-season, I would have assumed he ha 5 points in 20 games...
22-23
2 points in 7 games. The team looked good in games 1-3 and then horrendous beyond that. There was no structure and it was evident the entire team was out of sorts. No excuse again, but this was a systemic, team-wide failure.
Before we burn the guy at the stake, lets see him with a real coach with real structure
21-22
16 points in 20 games in the playoffs. He was playing with an injured Copp and injured Strome. I'm not excusing the eye test here, but points-wise, he wasn't horrendous. The way some people talk about this post-season, I would have assumed he ha 5 points in 20 games...
22-23
2 points in 7 games. The team looked good in games 1-3 and then horrendous beyond that. There was no structure and it was evident the entire team was out of sorts. No excuse again, but this was a systemic, team-wide failure.
Before we burn the guy at the stake, lets see him with a real coach with real structure
That’s the thing, We have to hope he performs in the playoffs. He’s obviously motivated to
Improve and made it known he is upset with himself but words are just words if not backed up by action.
We aren’t going to replace him so easily as people think. Just can’t be magically done.
This is the group ,it’s not changing for a few years. We need them to all play better. Even the ones who played very well.
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