Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXVII - Holding a Lead for Dummies (Info in OP)

[Shesterkybomb]

I would retain money if you get back an asset you actually want. Like, a decent prospect on an ELC or who isn't even signed. If you retain $2.4M you save $1.6M and something like $2M as opposed to a buyout but also obtain an asset. It would have to be a worthwhile asset, though, not some D-level prospect who is 24 and in the ECHL.

No NHL GM would want him in their dressingroom after this episode.

 

[aufheben]

What a waste of talent.

I actually thought the Rangers had more/less successfully turned this kid around, but apparently the last couple of months completely fried his brain.

At the end of the day, we were able to get WAY more out of him than other NHL teams, and I think there’s something to be said for that.

 

[Tob]

Since there may have been an assault, I imagine the rangers could suspend him for the season. Does that remove the cap for the time being?

unless they also want to remove Georgiev, I don't see this as an option.

 

[Kovalev27]

Him clearing doesn't make him "cancer", jesus christ. Stop shitting on the guy, he already got his due.

This simply means that nobody wants him for just under $5M against their cap.

A contract swap or a 50% retention deal is still very much in the picture

nobody NO ONE wants a 25 year old 60 point right shot pp qb at under 5 mil per on a two year deal with club control and you think it’s not cause he’s considered a cancer? Gotta be kidding yourself because certainly not kidding me.

 

[TheTakedown]

unless they also want to remove Georgiev, I don't see this as an option.

Geo is an underrated piece of the story here. This guy needs to be dealt with... Tony can say whatever, but the fact is that Geo is the one that stepped into this too -- internal suspension for 5 games should be the least of his punishments

 

[Shesterkybomb]

A lot of these issues stem from the insane lockdown measures in NY and NJ... It is VERY hard for an extraverted person to live a normal life when you aren't allowed to go out freely (e.g. you can't just hit the bar, you need a reservation)... I happen to agree with a lot of Tony's beliefs, and I'm also a loud extravert.... trust me, these conditions of this "pandemic crowd control" absolutely ruin these types of people if they are not mature enough to handle it -- I've had my own share of frustrations in the last year, and it's even harder if you're someone who is very much about having an outgoing social life.

Tony will grow from this, I fully believe his career is not done, there is a deal for him out there -- him clearing waivers is likely more of an indicator of how many teams can't take a $4.8M contract on their books right now...

Its not, he's a dressingroom cancer and until he proves otherwise no GM gonna bring that into their room after NYR saying thats why they're walking away from him.

 

[mas0764]

This won’t happen, but it should.

Posters on this board are divided, I dunno, 80/20 in support of the org vs. Tony. Most of the Tony supporters seem to agree with him politically, and they’ve been clamoring for everyone else here to “STOP POLITICIZING EVERYTHING!”.

Well you know what, it sounds like Tony’s teammates asked him to do exactly that. Go down whatever rabbit hole you want on your own time but leave it at the door when you come to work. He has proven to be incapable of doing that and he’s dealing with the repercussions right now.

I don’t think anyone other than Tony’s biggest detractors have any interest in arguing politics here, but Tony has forced that to be a large part of the conversation surrounding him. Can we all agree that he was wrong to do that and should have just kept a low profile and focused on his job?

I don't think I've seen anyone disagree with your last sentence.

 

[SRHRangers]

Waited for the info to come out before making an opinion. (Except for the puck story)

He needed to go. He did this to himself and hopefully addition by subtraction helps this team out.

I just can't say enough good things things about Miller. Trouba as well.

 

[RGY]

No NHL GM would want him in their dressingroom after this episode.

I strongly disagree here. I think another GM will look at the potential and hope they can get him to behave, especially if it comes really cheap for them. There have been many, many cases of past players getting multiple chances from other organizations because that organization hoped to strike rich at a low cost.

 

[True Blue]

Because they aren't buying him out or terminating his contract (yet).

DeAngelo isn't going to agree to terminate his own contract.

Not a contract lawyer at all, but aren't there termination clauses?

 

[TheTakedown]

nobody NO ONE wants a 25 year old 60 point right shot pp qb at under 5 mil per on a two year deal with club control and you think it’s not cause he’s considered a cancer? Gotta be kidding yourself because certainly not kidding me.

Again, why don't you take a second and look at the books for most of these teams?

There are FOUR teams that can take him at his full cap hit right now... The rest cannot take him, and/or have millions on their IR lists...

Lastly, why don;t you look at some other replies:

I strongly disagree here. I think another GM will look at the potential and hope they can get him to behave, especially if it comes really cheap for them. There have been many, many cases of past players getting multiple chances from other organizations because that organization hoped to strike rich at a low cost.

The guy is a talent, the issue is not this "episode", it is his contract

 

[pld459666]

I hope the kid gets some clarity in his life.

Regardless of his beliefs, there is no reason the be putting hands on someone. Sticks and Stones and all that.

getting waived and not picked up for the rest of the year should serve as a serious wake up call to the kid. I hope that he gets his shit together and gets back to being a productive (albeit flawed) hockey player.

 

[Tob]

Geo is an underrated piece of the story here. This guy needs to be dealt with... Tony can say whatever, but the fact is that Geo is the one that stepped into this too -- internal suspension for 5 games should be the least of his punishments

i don't think management has a problem with the fight. I think the way Quinn phrased it, it was an attitude issue that resulted in this altercation that is the problem. Legally and contractually, they won't pursue this fight as the basis of the action. Everything else.

 

[CupSeeker]

Some of y'all need to get off your high horse. Calling doubts on the Herman story, tony being called a COVID denier, Tony being a racist bully etc. is very different than violent asshole.

Tony through his Twitter account has made it clear who he is. If he could have kept that out of the locker room, we wouldn't be where we are. He is not smart enough or discipline enough to do that and now his bigoted ass is gone. What high horse do you think folks are on? The one that recognizes a racist pig and wants to disassociate with said pig? I will sit on that horse all day.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Nobody was going to claim a locker room cancer making almost $5M. We’re going to have to take back some money if we want to get rid of him right now. Otherwise, he’ll sit at home until we buy him out. I also wouldn’t rule out a loan to a euro league if Tony is sufficiently contrite (which he’s shown no signs of this far).

 

[East Coast Bias]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the rationale that a team would not take him off waivers, but would trade something for him?

Retaining salary?

A like for like headache/contract they don't like?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Geo is an underrated piece of the story here. This guy needs to be dealt with... Tony can say whatever, but the fact is that Geo is the one that stepped into this too -- internal suspension for 5 games should be the least of his punishments

For getting choked. Ok.

 

[TominNC]

Geo is an underrated piece of the story here. This guy needs to be dealt with... Tony can say whatever, but the fact is that Geo is the one that stepped into this too -- internal suspension for 5 games should be the least of his punishments

Why? Unless they have proof that Georgiev provoked and hit him first it's a matter of self defense. There's been speculation regarding the events but the team actions seem to indicate what happened.

 

[Don Chytil]

It is VERY hard for an extraverted person to live a normal life when you aren't allowed to go out freely (e.g. you can't just hit the bar, you need a reservation)... I happen to agree with a lot of Tony's beliefs, and I'm also a loud extravert...

Oh no, not a reservation. Miss me with these petty, lame excuses for his inexcusable behavior.

 

[Tob]

A team out there should just sign Mitchell Miller, Slava Voynov, and Tony D in the summer and deal with the backlash all at once.

 

[mouser]

I’m certainly no lawyer, but you’d have to think the Rangers have a decent case for terminating that contract once it involves “assaulting” another player. It might not matter what ADA wants to agree to.

Doubtful that would be enough. NHL history is full of locker room problems, players that were jerks to teammates, and even players who got into fights with each other. To the best of my knowledge none of those players were unilaterally terminated.

DeAngelo would likely need to have done something worse then what's been publicly reported so far to merit termination for conduct.

 

[mas0764]

I for one am floored, flabbergasted, and smeckledorfed.

To be fair, being vocal about racial and social current event issues is not the same as making racial epithets, slurs, or otherwise being harassing on the basis of some protected classification.

I think Edge confirmed that all prior indications were that he did keep the politics generally under control prior to about 6 weeks ago so in my estimation this is the first new info we have about him not getting along in the locker room.

And no it is not exactly surprising to me that he wasn't able to shut the F up about politics in the locker room, given his twitter behavior, but most of my contention with what you had previously posted centered around the contention that he was, or was acting like, a racist or bigot. Those two things aren't the same and one is infinitely more believable to me than the other.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Not a contract lawyer at all, but aren't there termination clauses?

Yes. The lanague is rather vague and it could at least be argued he might have breached his contract but the bar to get it done is probably pretty high.

And it would only make a messy situation, nastier and more dragged out.

Highly unlikely the Rangers pursue that.

 

[Tob]

To be fair, being vocal about racial and social current event issues is not the same as making racial epithets, slurs, or otherwise being harassing on the basis of some protected classification.

I think Edge confirmed that all prior indications were that he did keep the politics generally under control prior to about 6 weeks ago so in my estimation this is the first new info we have about him not getting along in the locker room.

And no it is not exactly surprising to me that he wasn't able to shut the F up about politics in the locker room but most of my contention with what you had previously posted centered around the contention that he was, or was acting like, a racist or bigot. Those two things aren't the same and one is infinitely more believable to me than the other.

but would it "surprise" you though?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I strongly disagree here. I think another GM will look at the potential and hope they can get him to behave, especially if it comes really cheap for them. There have been many, many cases of past players getting multiple chances from other organizations because that organization hoped to strike rich at a low cost.

This isn't his first time, there's a pattern here, he's 25, not some rookie out of junior anymore. No GM can look at him at 25 and say, maybe he'll change, because drama has followed him since junior and he has done nothing about it. I will say its pretty convenient that he has a career year in a contract year, never heard of a lot of issues last year until he got paid, which tells me he has no will to change because he likes who he is. No GM in this league would willingly bring him into a room knowing how it ended for us and how hard the franchise tried to make it work

 

[TheTakedown]

Oh no, not a reservation. Miss me with these petty, lame excuses for his inexcusable behavior.

I gave you one example, I can't get into it here but the short version is that we are constantly bombarded with COVID news and then with all of the closures around THIS specific area it is very difficult to live a normal life -- i know PLENTY of people that went to Florida to work from home because the restrictions here didn't let them live the social life they wanted to live.... It's more than restaurant reservations... No sporting events, long lines to get into grocery stores, not being able to get a reservation because of filled up restaurants, no rec sporting events for normal people (I myself play volleyball and Ice hockey -- not so for the last year)... All of it wears on you after a few months, and we're in month 11 of "2 weeks to slow the spread".

I'm not excusing Tony's behaviour... This is just a different version of Lias Andersson becoming absolutely degraded in the rangers lockerroom because of his mental health issues