Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV
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Bluto
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I just want to remind everyone that as flawed as a player as Strome is, he is 10 times the player Ryan Spooner was.
That trade is still a win in my book.
That trade is still a win in my book.
Fitzy
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See the issue is you guys are appraising people after three games.
That’s not long enough to see a trend or rule any anomalies in play anything more than just a random hot or cold streak.
That’s not long enough to see a trend or rule any anomalies in play anything more than just a random hot or cold streak.
I Eat Crow
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Perfect timing for when Schneider is going to be ready. Trouba doesn't last here beyond July 1, 2025. Mark my words.
KirkAlbuquerque
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I Eat Crow
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But yeah, I've been beating the Barkov drum for a while.
Want to get ballsy? Trade for Barkov this summer and sign him to an extension July 1st.
Then turn around and trade Zibanejad and use the return in that deal to trade for Dubois. Zibanajad is awesome but of the two, I'm taking Barkov over the long term if I have the choice.
You have Barkov and Dubois as your one-two punch down the middle for the next 7 years and let Panarin, Lafreniere, Kakko, Kreider, and American Buch run buck wild.
In this hypothetical scenario, Chytil, Kravstov, and DeAngelo are dealt to acquire Barkov and a depth piece from Florida. Logan Hutsko and Owen Tippett could be targets there. Borgstrom could be an interesting piece back too. The Rangers are weak in bottom six depth. Besides Morgan Barron, I can't earmark anyone in the prospect pool right now besides maybe Berard, Cuylle, that has a future there, and they're quite a bit of a ways out. They need that bottom six depth now.
Want to get ballsy? Trade for Barkov this summer and sign him to an extension July 1st.
Then turn around and trade Zibanejad and use the return in that deal to trade for Dubois. Zibanajad is awesome but of the two, I'm taking Barkov over the long term if I have the choice.
You have Barkov and Dubois as your one-two punch down the middle for the next 7 years and let Panarin, Lafreniere, Kakko, Kreider, and American Buch run buck wild.
In this hypothetical scenario, Chytil, Kravstov, and DeAngelo are dealt to acquire Barkov and a depth piece from Florida. Logan Hutsko and Owen Tippett could be targets there. Borgstrom could be an interesting piece back too. The Rangers are weak in bottom six depth. Besides Morgan Barron, I can't earmark anyone in the prospect pool right now besides maybe Berard, Cuylle, that has a future there, and they're quite a bit of a ways out. They need that bottom six depth now.
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I Eat Crow
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I hate keeping retained cap dollars on the books, but they'll find a taker for him with 25 or 33% retained.
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Gorton is probably one of the handful of GM's in the league that would have the balls to deal Zibanejad instead of extending him for market value if that's what he asks for. He's very astute and aware of this I'm sure.
If he essentially exchanges Zib for Barkov and uses assets to acquire Dubois, that's an absolute masterclass.
If we can just meditate on that forever, then there are zero expectations and Strome will absolutely fulfill them.
You're right....
But it's also not an excuse to sit and try to force things to work when they clearly aren't working in lieu of playing guys who ARE getting shit done. This isn't really a player problem, I'm sure Strome isn't demanding that he gets 21+ minutes of ice time when he's the worst player on the ice, but at a certain point the coaches need to realize whats working and what isn't and run with whats working. Quinn did the exact opposite of that tonight. A perfect example of this is right after the Rangers scored in the 3rd. The Chytil line took a pretty short shift after they pulled the game within one and Quinn immediately put out the Howden unit who got hemmed in their own zone, rather than playing one of the scoring lines to try to build even more momentum. The Howden line had been getting their teeth kicked in all game long.
This is before getting into just how little Quinn played the Chytil line even though they basically controlled the game every shift they were out there and how he kept Strome on PP1 despite everything dying on his stick.
Bluto
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That's how I approach the Strome situation. He has far and away succeeded initial expectations. I think some people set the bar too high with him.
Whenever I want to hate on him, I just think "jeez I can't believe we got him for Spooner straight up".
Fitzy
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I didn't see the same from the Howden unit- seemed to me Lemieux drew about 3 minor penalties tonight by himself, 2 of which weren't really warranted but truly sold.
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Imo Strome on the PP is insane but 5 on 5 there’s not a better option. Chytils line has been very, very effective. So you put the worse center wirh Panarin and hope he can make him look serviceable. It’s frustrating to watch but what can they do otherwise? Stick Kakko and PDG with him? No thanks
Fitzy, some of our evaluations aren’t based off these three games.
It goes far into last season too. I went from defending Quinn to saying — I’ve seen enough.
As a fan, it’s painful to see GM’s move players we’ve become emotionally attached to for one reason or another.
Also — As a fan, it’s painful to see GM’s neglect moving certain players we’ve become emotionally attached to for one reason or another.
You pretty much NEED that 1-2 down the middle.
In a perfect world:
A):
Zbad/Barkov
Barkov/Zbad
This scenario isn’t possible with our long term + short term commitments. It just isn’t.
B):
Zbad/Barkov
PLD
This scenario might fit — but there are variables. What are we re-signing ZBAD/Barkov for..? What are we giving up for Barkov?
What will Barkov + PLD cost us? And if we go this route, what will we get for a soon to be UfA in Zbad?
Gorton has amassed the assets to go Full Hairy Ballsack All-In if he decides though. I appreciate the fact that he’s acquired enough assets to do so.
Thats why I’m expecting a “big move”, but not multiple “massive roster changes”.
The big move will come at Center. Gorton will either commit long term to Zbad. Or, he’ll make a combination of trades involving key members in our Top-6.
Either way, I’d rather watch this shit than the crap we experienced in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.
AlaBlueShirt
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I want Gallant. Don’t care how good Quinn was in a f***ing college league when he can’t put up a steady strategy for his team to follow. All this big words about competition level and toughness are sounding like they came from a election debate.
I want someone who has a legit resume of putting a team together. Just look at some of the VGK highlights from their first season. That’s the style of hockey I know this Ranger roster can play. Hard, north-south hockey.
I want someone who has a legit resume of putting a team together. Just look at some of the VGK highlights from their first season. That’s the style of hockey I know this Ranger roster can play. Hard, north-south hockey.
DutchShamrock
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Everyone clamoring for Strome to lose playing time, but then they lose their minds when Howden gets 23 minutes a night with Panarin and Lafreniere.
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NYSPORTS
back afta dis. . .
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so anytime he has an open shot, including last night with under a min to go, that what you tell yourself? That works?
NYSPORTS
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more lost their minds defending Hank not waiving his NTC which put the Rangers dead money in this position where a Strome was all we could afford.
Books look better next year and hopefully league revenues rise if we can get these vaccines in order.
Shesterkybomb
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It's still early but if this effort continues.
1. Gimme Gerard Gallant before we dismantle this thing. While I'm still unsure it's the coach the team needs a shakeup. Gallant is a proven coach, if he doesn't make an impact then we have the wrong players.
2. If Zib has a concussion, we need to move him asap because that wasn't much of an impact.
3. Run Shesterkin as your 1g, because he is.
1. Gimme Gerard Gallant before we dismantle this thing. While I'm still unsure it's the coach the team needs a shakeup. Gallant is a proven coach, if he doesn't make an impact then we have the wrong players.
2. If Zib has a concussion, we need to move him asap because that wasn't much of an impact.
3. Run Shesterkin as your 1g, because he is.
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