Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[Daves a mess]

Watch out for any microphone wires kid.

 

[Mikos87]

How do we know they have chemistry?

We know that Luc and Bread were a forceful pairing for CLB, you then add Lafreniere to the mix. Alexis has been on record as saying that he models his game after Patty Kane, another guy who had some chemistry with Bread is something that could work. Two of those player would add up to a $5.8M on the cap, maybe roll over ~$3M if possible/needed. It would work with the cap.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Watch out for any microphone wires kid.

Colorado should paint the puck silver, he'll be a lock for a delay of penalty game every shift.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Frankly I don’t think this is going to be an issue long term.

Trouba and Fox are good offensive players, plus you factor in other guys who are projecting to be solid on offense from the backend, it’s really a non issue

Will the off from the backend be less dynamic with Tony gone, yeah. Is the team going to fall off the face of the earth and not be able to generate anything with him gone as some suggest, no

People are being dramatic because they want Tony to stick around lol

couldn't we substitute any name then if using your criteria ? i mean any name on the roster.

world end ? no

replacing his production from the last 2 seasons ? um, tougher.

fox yes he can produce. after him its pretty lean, as in nothing.

tony. 53 points
adam. 42
jake. 27

trouba ? not so sure he can do much more really.

lindy ? no

miller ? nah

johnson ? lol

smith ? see above.

then theres the matter of who replaces tonys minutes ?

all because he slammed the door and showed some fire ?

(lets be honest, he wasnt really being selfish and costing his team and acting immature an all that was he ? ) i mean, players take bad penalties all the time and for much worse.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Problem is that if the whole team is proven NHL talent you can’t afford to keep everyone especially if it’s a good team.

Rotating in ELCs and rfa protected contracts are how you maintain a extended window

last i checked we were the youngest team in the league.

were already doing that.

 

[Fitzy]

last i checked we were the youngest team in the league.

were already doing that.

Fix your shift button then we can talk

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

couldn't we substitute any name then if using your criteria ? i mean any name on the roster.

world end ? no

replacing his production from the last 2 seasons ? um, tougher.

fox yes he can produce. after him its pretty lean, as in nothing.

tony. 53 points
adam. 42
jake. 27

trouba ? not so sure he can do much more really.

lindy ? no

miller ? nah

johnson ? lol

smith ? see above.

then theres the matter of who replaces tonys minutes ?

all because he slammed the door and showed some fire ?

(lets be honest, he wasnt really being selfish and costing his team and acting immature an all that was he ? ) i mean, players take bad penalties all the time and for much worse.

Trouba has hit 50 points before so saying he doesn’t have much more in him seems disingenuous to me

And unless I’ve missed the posts, not sure anyone is saying he needs to be traded because he took the penalty

There’s two main things that come into play with this situation(which has been talked about to death). One is that the Rangers have amassed arguably the best RD depth (NHL and prospects) in the league. And two based on considerations like salary and said RD depth, the team is probably going to trade Tony to plug holes elsewhere.

I really think that’s what it comes down too.

You also have to remember that this site is a very small minority of fans. The average fan doesn’t know why Tony’s benched, and probably doesn’t care as long as they’re winning lol

 

[Ola]

Easy for me to say but if I'm Zibanejad I saw my career take off in NY. They tore the team down when I got here, I took my game to a new level and now we have young, elite, homegrown talent. I want to see this through if it means a discount.
But that's me.

Good point, remember that he definitely took a discount with his last deal. He fired his agent and let his bro work out a deal. He wanted to remain here for sure.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if he inked without really pushing for the top buck.

 

[kovazub94]

Colorado should paint the puck silver, he'll be a lock for a delay of penalty game every shift.

C'mon painting puck silver color is just silly. Alternatively, why not just lay an open cable - he'd be taking a fumble every shift.

 

[Ola]

The Rangers are going to be linked to every center whose name comes up from now until a trade is made.

Barkov falls right smack in between Eichel and PLD. He's a proven, elite talent but shorter contract that ends with him as a UFA. You're not only looking at a higher acquisition cost than PLD but also a steeper price when it comes to the contract extension.

It's going to come down to finding the right balance between current price tag and future price tag weighed against the current production vs future production.

Contrary to reports on our interest in PLD, I still wonder if we can afford a top center?

I mean, when you break it down, it just seems like the sacrifice for adding another 10m guy would be too steep.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

last i checked we were the youngest team in the league.

were already doing that.

Upcoming RFA:

2021: Shestyorkin, Lindgren, Chytil, Gauthier
2022: Kravtsov, Kakko, Fox
2023: Lafrenière

The big 4 (Lafrenière, Shestyorkin, Fox, Kakko) probably take up 25-30m combined if they are signed long-term. Where is that money coming from? Sure, we have Smith coming off the books, and the buy outs for Lundqvist and Shattenkirk are dropping next year but in 2022 when the choice is DeAngelo or Fox, it will 100% be Fox who gets an extension.

Hagelin in 2015 was a cap casualty for the same reason. It was between him and Stepan. Replacing DeAngelo with Lundkvist in 2022 isn't about Lundkvist doing the same thing DeAngelo did. It's about clearing 4m in cap space to spend elsewhere, with a young D coming into the league and the defense being restructured.

 

[jay from jersey]

Frankly I don’t think this is going to be an issue long term.

Trouba and Fox are good offensive players, plus you factor in other guys who are projecting to be solid on offense from the backend, it’s really a non issue

Will the off from the backend be less dynamic with Tony gone, yeah. Is the team going to fall off the face of the earth and not be able to generate anything with him gone as some suggest, no

People are being dramatic because they want Tony to stick around lol

I hear ya buts in not only the production, which is very significant, it’s the nasty-ness, chippy-ness however you want to describe it. I think that fire gets the team to play better. Especially in big games. Lemieux has it, put doesn’t display it as much. That’s just the type of guy he is. I think Schneider has it, but he’s prob 2 years away. I don’t think Lundkvist does. I would love to see a D of

Miller-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Robertson-DeAngelo

at least for a year or 2. I think there’s great potential there. And with all the youth on the left it doesn’t break the bank. At least right away

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Upcoming RFA:

2021: Shestyorkin, Lindgren, Chytil, Gauthier
2022: Kravtsov, Kakko, Fox
2023: Lafrenière

The big 4 (Lafrenière, Shestyorkin, Fox, Kakko) probably take up 25-30m combined if they are signed long-term. Where is that money coming from? Sure, we have Smith coming off the books, and the buy outs for Lundqvist and Shattenkirk are dropping next year but in 2022 when the choice is DeAngelo or Fox, it will 100% be Fox who gets an extension.

Hagelin in 2015 was a cap casualty for the same reason. It was between him and Stepan. Replacing DeAngelo with Lundkvist in 2022 isn't about Lundkvist doing the same thing DeAngelo did. It's about clearing 4m in cap space to spend elsewhere, with a young D coming into the league and the defense being restructured.

Stop making so much sense

 

[jay from jersey]

Upcoming RFA:

2021: Shestyorkin, Lindgren, Chytil, Gauthier
2022: Kravtsov, Kakko, Fox
2023: Lafrenière

The big 4 (Lafrenière, Shestyorkin, Fox, Kakko) probably take up 25-30m combined if they are signed long-term. Where is that money coming from? Sure, we have Smith coming off the books, and the buy outs for Lundqvist and Shattenkirk are dropping next year but in 2022 when the choice is DeAngelo or Fox, it will 100% be Fox who gets an extension.

Hagelin in 2015 was a cap casualty for the same reason. It was between him and Stepan. Replacing DeAngelo with Lundkvist in 2022 isn't about Lundkvist doing the same thing DeAngelo did. It's about clearing 4m in cap space to spend elsewhere, with a young D coming into the league and the defense being restructured.

You can’t think like that though. What if there’s a serious injury. Who knows Kreider could even potentially be dealt by the time LaF needs a new deal. A lot of things are up in the air still. We may get a bargain on some of our guys as well, depending on how they do in their contract years

 

[kovazub94]

so, let me get this straight so i understand.

tony has gone from a new 2 year deal and leading the team from the blue line last season PLUS being told hes starting camp as the 1st pair LD (his off side btw), to being traded in any deal that comes along just to be rid of him ( when his value has been diminished by quinns personal discipline crusade) makes sense. i mean, it was 1 whole game.

ALL FOR SLAMMING THE PENALTY BOX DOOR after a weak ass penalty in a blow out game.

do we really believe that adam fox can shoulder the entire load this season ? that jake trouba after 1 good game in what?? forever.... can suddenly be the horse we expected him to be ? that a defense featuring a 20 yr old with 2 whole nhl games under his belt and jack Johnson and brendan smith can be the bottom 3 we throw out every night ?

and suddenly we are trading kravtsov and chytl plus a 1st rounder ??

after 2 games ......

ALL FOR SLAMMING THE PENALTY BOX DOOR after a weak ass call in a blow out game.

but...but.... lundkvist is all but a sure thing. and schneider is all but a sure thing.... yada yada yada.

"Within that perspective, the 24-year-old DeAngelo’s two-year deal at an annual cap hit of $4.8 million is just, given that his 2019-20 offensive production (15-38-53) was elite. The only two defensemen in the league to at least match DeAngelo’s 15 goals and 53 points were Norris Trophy winner Roman Josi and runner-up John Carlson." LARRY BROOKS btw.

Rangers Defenseman Adam Fox Deserves More Credit Than He’s Getting

Rangers envision Jacob Trouba building off 2020 finish, embracing Tony DeAngelo pairing

Breaking: David Quinn to start Tony DeAngelo on left side with Jacob Trouba, indicates what line Alexis Lafreniere will start on - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

first we hear, its only 1 game "dont over react", give em time to jell, etc etc ... but with deangelo, 1 game and an overreaction seems to be A OK for coach quinn.

oh and that starting camp on the left side thing as the 1LD, that lasted, yup you guessed it.... 1 day.

good teammate, popular in the room, excellent player, and someone (until he slammed the door) quinn seemed to be counting on as a cog. wow how things have changed. after 1 game.

couldn't we substitute any name then if using your criteria ? i mean any name on the roster.

world end ? no

replacing his production from the last 2 seasons ? um, tougher.

fox yes he can produce. after him its pretty lean, as in nothing.

tony. 53 points
adam. 42
jake. 27

trouba ? not so sure he can do much more really.

lindy ? no

miller ? nah

johnson ? lol

smith ? see above.

then theres the matter of who replaces tonys minutes ?

all because he slammed the door and showed some fire ?

(lets be honest, he wasnt really being selfish and costing his team and acting immature an all that was he ? ) i mean, players take bad penalties all the time and for much worse.

Maybe it's adding you a youthful energy so then more power to you, but at your age these rants (because of 1 game) are pretty silly.

 

[Trxjw]

Contrary to reports on our interest in PLD, I still wonder if we can afford a top center?

I mean, when you break it down, it just seems like the sacrifice for adding another 10m guy would be too steep.

I'm pretty squarely in the camp that believes if we add a Eichel, Barkov, or PLD to the mix, that means the team is preparing to move on from Zibanejad. Of those three and Zibanejad, PLD is likely going to demand the lowest raise on his next contract. Even if he comes in next year and scores 75 points, I can't imagine him getting the $10m+ I can see Barkov and Zib asking for and that Eichel makes now. So that extra ~$2m could go a long way to keeping more of the core together for a longer period of time.

Barring a major breakout between now and the end of his contract, the Rangers might wind up getting lucky with a Kakko extension. By the time Lafreniere needs a new deal, you're darn close to Kreider's NTC kicking in so he might be moveable then.

All in all, I don't think it's impossible to keep most of these guys but two highly paid centers? Can't really see that happening unless they move on from one of the big name wingers.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Maybe it's adding you a youthful energy so then more power to you, but at your age these rants (because of 1 game) are pretty silly.

perhaps you're right not a david quinn fan. sooner we have a professional nhl coach the better.

do not agree with his usage of lemme, goat or kakko or over usage of howden and last year staal.

its not just deangelo.

i firmly believe this is not the coach for this organization.

 

[aufheben]

Frankly I don’t think this is going to be an issue long term.

Trouba and Fox are good offensive players, plus you factor in other guys who are projecting to be solid on offense from the backend, it’s really a non issue

Will the off from the backend be less dynamic with Tony gone, yeah. Is the team going to fall off the face of the earth and not be able to generate anything with him gone as some suggest, no

People are being dramatic because they want Tony to stick around lol

I mean I don’t think it’s a coincidence that half our forwards had career years lol.

 

[duhmetreE]

Upcoming RFA:

2021: Shestyorkin, Lindgren, Chytil, Gauthier
2022: Kravtsov, Kakko, Fox
2023: Lafrenière

The big 4 (Lafrenière, Shestyorkin, Fox, Kakko) probably take up 25-30m combined if they are signed long-term. Where is that money coming from? Sure, we have Smith coming off the books, and the buy outs for Lundqvist and Shattenkirk are dropping next year but in 2022 when the choice is DeAngelo or Fox, it will 100% be Fox who gets an extension.

Hagelin in 2015 was a cap casualty for the same reason. It was between him and Stepan. Replacing DeAngelo with Lundkvist in 2022 isn't about Lundkvist doing the same thing DeAngelo did. It's about clearing 4m in cap space to spend elsewhere, with a young D coming into the league and the defense being restructured.

Same reason we're going to have to trade Buch eventually. I see his fate similar to ADA. Get a 2 year extension... and eventually traded

ADA -> Lundkvist
Buch -> Kravtsov

accumulate picks/prospects for ADA and Buch and have 'replacement's' ready to go in 2-4 years.

the way to be successful in the new NHL

 

[Avery16]

 

[Cag29]

perhaps you're right not a david quinn fan. sooner we have a professional nhl coach the better.

do not agree with his usage of lemme, goat or kakko or over usage of howden and last year staal.

its not just deangelo.

i firmly believe this is not the coach for this organization.

My brother mentioned to me the other day that Bruce Boudreau (spelling) is out there. I guess he locked horns with ovi. Which cost him his job and a shot at the cup. (Isles current coach)
I’m still on the fence with Quinn. But would Boudreau be someone we would look at if we move from Quinn. Or maybe Gallant?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It does seem to be the consensus that there will be consolidation moves coming.

I like DeAngelo a ton but given his age (and that's not really about his actual age but rather his age in reference to how close he is to unrestricted free agency), he seems likely to be one that will be on the move.

And I know this gets furious push back but I still think it's ultimately wise to earmark Trouba for possible trade as well, albeit not any time relatively soon. But we will need every last dollar and so we also are going to need good value contracts. You can't have a player getting paid like a top pair D but then not playing like one.

Trouba has been good not great even when he's on, and he's also had some off nights where he's been bad. For $8m that is a tough pill to swallow when you might be having to pay someone else to play on your top pair, like Adam Fox.

I tend to think that when some of these kids move off ELCs, or move off bridge deals, Trouba may be moved to clear space to re-sign Fox to a mega-deal, and then Schneider takes his role, etc. Something like that.

Id be shocked if Trouba and Krieder complete their contracts here, there’s gonna be some hard decisions in 3-4 years

 

[TheBloodyNine]

My brother mentioned to me the other day that Bruce Boudreau (spelling) is out there. I guess he locked horns with ovi. Which cost him his job and a shot at the cup. (Isles current coach)
I’m still on the fence with Quinn. But would Boudreau be someone we would look at if we move from Quinn. Or maybe Gallant?

Boudreau is a terrible coach.

 

[Avery16]

 

[RGY]

Strome is good bro!