Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIV

[The New Russian Five]

It does seem to be the consensus that there will be consolidation moves coming.

I like DeAngelo a ton but given his age (and that's not really about his actual age but rather his age in reference to how close he is to unrestricted free agency), he seems likely to be one that will be on the move.

And I know this gets furious push back but I still think it's ultimately wise to earmark Trouba for possible trade as well, albeit not any time relatively soon. But we will need every last dollar and so we also are going to need good value contracts. You can't have a player getting paid like a top pair D but then not playing like one.

Trouba has been good not great even when he's on, and he's also had some off nights where he's been bad. For $8m that is a tough pill to swallow when you might be having to pay someone else to play on your top pair, like Adam Fox.

I tend to think that when some of these kids move off ELCs, or move off bridge deals, Trouba may be moved to clear space to re-sign Fox to a mega-deal, and then Schneider takes his role, etc. Something like that.

Trouba has a NMC. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[Trxjw]

Is PLD not getting along with Torts?

Nobody knows for sure. Just speculation at this point but Torts is known to ride guys who dog it during the game. So if that continues I can't imagine PLD is going to stay on the "I'll give you guys time to work out a trade" path.

 

[Mikos87]

They just brought his father on as an assistant coach or something like that too. Not for the affiliate or anything like the Dubois rumors, but for the actual NHL club. Doubt he goes anywhere.

Yeah and Lowry is a very good coach. Brandon ran a pro system last year. He coached Schneider last year.

 

[Mikos87]

Nobody knows for sure. Just speculation at this point but Torts is known to ride guys who dog it during the game. So if that continues I can't imagine PLD is going to stay on the "I'll give you guys time to work out a trade" path.

Well they also paid Max Domi more than the guy who is their first line center, and carried a heavier load. Maybe he's pissed that seniority is valued more than actual contribution, it's not about that Domi got paid. Maybe that's why Luc's forcing a trade out of there.

 

[Trxjw]

The Rangers are going to be linked to every center whose name comes up from now until a trade is made.

Barkov falls right smack in between Eichel and PLD. He's a proven, elite talent but shorter contract that ends with him as a UFA. You're not only looking at a higher acquisition cost than PLD but also a steeper price when it comes to the contract extension.

It's going to come down to finding the right balance between current price tag and future price tag weighed against the current production vs future production.

 

[Rangers in 7]

The Rangers are going to be linked to every center whose name comes up from now until a trade is made.

Barkov falls right smack in between Eichel and PLD. He's a proven, elite talent but shorter contract that ends with him as a UFA. You're not only looking at a higher acquisition cost than PLD but also a steeper price when it comes to the contract extension.

It's going to come down to finding the right balance between current price tag and future price tag weighed against the current production vs future production.

i think it will be more about what those 3 teams are looking for in a trade...if any of them will take from our d prospects then it is a much easier trade to make

 

[Trxjw]

Well they also paid Max Domi more than the guy who is their first line center, and carried a heavier load. Maybe he's pissed that seniority is valued more than actual contribution, it's not about that Domi got paid. Maybe that's why Luc's forcing a trade out of there.

With the rumors being that conversations with other teams over the summer pushed PLD towards wanting a change, I could easily see that the remainder of their negotiations really solidified that decision. Not sure it was Domi in particular unless PLD's camp didn't explain to him the usual cost for 2nd vs 3rd contracts and RFA vs UFA years. If so, he's going to run into that problem no matter where he lands. That's just how the NHL operates.

 

[Trxjw]

i think it will be more about what those 3 teams are looking for in a trade...if any of them will take from our d prospects then it is a much easier trade to make

Well the biggest key is whether or not any of those teams see DeAngelo as a major piece. If Florida loves him and DeAngelo plus a prospect and a pick gets you Barkov, it's a no-brainer as opposed to something like Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st for PLD or Buch+++ for Eichel. Of the 3 teams Florida is the one who might have the most use for DeAngelo. Stralman is on his last legs and Yandle is struggling to crack the lineup. The issue for Florida is the same as Columbus though. Can they deal their franchise pivot without going full tear down?

The Rangers are rapidly approaching that point where having a strong pipeline of guys on ELC's is going to be absolutely critical to sustained success. So dipping into their prospect group isn't necessarily always going to be the preferred option.

 

[Mikos87]

With the rumors being that conversations with other teams over the summer pushed PLD towards wanting a change, I could easily see that the remainder of their negotiations really solidified that decision. Not sure it was Domi in particular unless PLD's camp didn't explain to him the usual cost for 2nd vs 3rd contracts and RFA vs UFA years. If so, he's going to run into that problem no matter where he lands. That's just how the NHL operates.

It's a complex situation, and usually not explained by just one thing. If I was Luc, I wouldn't give a shit about another man's terms. It's about him. It's about his money. It's about what he brought to the table.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Well the biggest key is whether or not any of those teams see DeAngelo as a major piece. If Florida loves him and DeAngelo plus a prospect and a pick gets you Barkov, it's a no-brainer as opposed to something like Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st for PLD or Buch+++ for Eichel. Of the 3 teams Florida is the one who might have the most use for DeAngelo. Stralman is on his last legs and Yandle is struggling to crack the lineup. The issue for Florida is the same as Columbus though. Can they deal their franchise pivot without going full tear down?

The Rangers are rapidly approaching that point where having a strong pipeline of guys on ELC's is going to be absolutely critical to sustained success. So dipping into their prospect group isn't necessarily always going to be the preferred option.

you basically described my thinking....the first team to accept our excess of good young players will be who we deal with

ADA has to be first when it comes to trade bait and i love the guy, i just think with the way we are built fox, lundkvist, and schneider on the right is the future going forward, so unless he is going to be playing on the left with one of those guys he has to go. thats not even taking into account trouba

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Barkov is interesting. On paper fits the NYR like a glove.

He will cost a lot...agreed between Dubois and Eichel. He’s a “rental” but the highest of high end ones. Call it between Karlsson and Stone.

And then you have to sign the guy. Personally I’m a little wary of his next contract and how he will age on a retirement deal. Probably a controversial statement.

If they get it done this offseason they get at least a run w him and Mika.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Barkov is interesting. On paper fits the NYR like a glove.

He will cost a lot...agreed between Dubois and Eichel. He’s a “rental” but the highest of high end ones. Call it between Karlsson and Stone.

And then you have to sign the guy. Personally I’m a little wary of his next contract and how he will age on a retirement deal. Probably a controversial statement.

If they get it done this offseason they get at least a run w him and Mika.

any of those three players would be here long term and considering barkov is 25 im not really worried about having him through his early 30's

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Rangers trading for any of those 3 centers probably means Zibanejad will be on his way out (although Dubois is so/so)

can’t have multiple guys making upwards of 9-10 million a year

 

[RangersFan1994]

The Rangers trading for any of those 3 centers probably means Zibanejad will be on his way out (although Dubois is so/so)

can’t have multiple guys making upwards of 9-10 million a year

selling high on Mika would not be a bad thing if they choice to go that route. they did this was Gaborik so I don't see an issue here. if Mika goes in a deal for Dubois or Barkov, not a bad move at all in my opinion

 

[RGY]

Love Barkov. But my concern is he has UFA status in 2 years just like Zibanejad. So we would be navigating two incredibly difficult situations with the players having all the leverage over us knowing they are the 1-2 Centers on the team. Whereas Dubois has RFA status in 2 years. And with Eichel he is signed longterm.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

NHL Rumors: Rangers among teams interested in Aleksander Barkov, and Pierre-Luc Dubois wants to play for the Canadiens - The Daily Goal Horn


id take Barkov over Dubois all day


Chytil, DeAngelo, Kravtsov and 1st for Barkov?

Deal. Don't think twice.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

selling high on Mika would not be a bad thing if they choice to go that route. they did this was Gaborik so I don't see an issue here. if Mika goes in a deal for Dubois or Barkov, not a bad move at all in my opinion

Just to clarify, Mika won’t be involved in the trade for those guys. They’d probably move him in a separate deal

 

[JimmyG89]

Biggest factor going for those that want DuBois is control over the player. Still an RFA after his deal is done. There would be little to no fear of him not being on the roster after next season. Barkov would require a new deal and a long one, but he'd be worth every penny coming his way.

Barkov would be a Selke candidate/winner every year. A point per game center that plays every situation and is killer on faceoffs. He does have a NMC currently, which is a NTC next season. If he wanted out this season, he'd get to pick the team he gets traded to. Of course Florida could say no, but he'd be an unhappy player on a team that is in the middle. Unless someone would want him purely as a rental, I don't know many that would pay the price to get him without pen to paper with an extension.

I think the Rangers #1 target would be DuBois. Fits in with the age of a lot of the younger pieces and would fill a long term need at center, whether it be a very high end #2 behind Zibanejad or as a budding #1 center with Mika being moved out.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Maybe if Barkov and Mika had season and a half together and there was really good team success beginning to build, when they are both up for the contract maybe their demands loosen up a tad knowing they both have to fit in to be part of something special.

Pie in the sky thinking

 

[mas0764]

it gets push back because he has a no trade clause. Players ask for those because they want to stay in a specific area, in trouba’s case his fiancé is in residency in nyc.

The rangers are considered a class organization because we don’t do things like sign a player to a no trade contract and then right before that contract starts move the player to a team he’d never play for.

We have this reputation and players sign with us because of that. We’re not ruining that reputation.

Yeah but the further you get from the contract signing date, the less that damages your reputation.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Trouba isn’t getting moved

The Rangers clearly value him more than fans do

 

[mas0764]

Kreider has a no trade clause too and yet everyone seems to think that by year 4 or 5 he may be moved, albeit he'd have to be asked, no?

That's all I'm suggesting on Trouba. Not that he's getting dealt tomorrow.

Someday down the line - at a time when Lundqvist or Schneider are coming off ELCs (so.... since they haven't even signed ELCs yet, like, 4-5 years from now), he'd be the candidate to be moved off the roster.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kreider has a no trade clause too and yet everyone seems to think that by year 4 or 5 he may be moved, albeit he'd have to be asked, no?

That's all I'm suggesting on Trouba. Not that he's getting dealt tomorrow.

Someday down the line - at a time when Lundqvist or Schneider are coming off ELCs (so.... since they haven't even signed ELCs yet, like, 4-5 years from now), he'd be the candidate to be moved off the roster.

Starting July 1st 2024, Kreider and Trouba both have a limited NTC

Kreider can submit a 15-team no trade list
Trouba can submit a 12-team no trade list

 

[Rongomania]

Reeeeally interesting with the Barkov thing, Tony + Nils or (UGGGHHH) Miller + Chytil

I F we had a contract set up with Barkov during this trade.

 

[Rongomania]

Starting July 1st 2024, Kreider and Trouba both have a limited NTC

Kreider can submit a 15-team no trade list
Trouba can submit a 12-team no trade list

If by 2024 those two haven't earned their letters with this new team - G T F O