Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[Rongomania]

My Eichel Offer:



Brett Howden. Straight up. No retention.



Take it or f*** OFF.

Quinn would say: "Overpayment!!"

 

[offdacrossbar]

jack wont be moved to broadway for anything less than 2 of our best prospects/players.

if you want JE, you better wrap your head around losing something like kakko and fox to start.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So many of these grandiose statements about what Eichel will “require.”

Sure, in a world where the player is on a successful team and doesn’t want to leave, it might “require” a ridiculous godfather offer.

But this conversation is all predicated on the fact that Eichel wants out, BUF has to move him, or both. (Also, that there are only so many teams that can a) offer a compelling deal and b) fit the player on the roster.)

And in those circumstances, as has been mentioned over and over again in this thread, historical precedent sets a pretty clear benchmark for the offer, and it’s not nearly so high. I can see where Eichel — if he is actually moved — might fetch a bit more than the top 4 D, top 6 forward, prospect, and pick that’s typical... but the add would not be a crown jewel, it’ll be 1-2 other young player(s)/prospect(s)/pick(s).

 

[RGY]

jack wont be moved to broadway for anything less than 2 of our best prospects/players.

if you want JE, you better wrap your head around losing something like kakko and fox to start.

No it wont cost that. Why? Because the Rangers can outbid any other team without including those guys.

So there’s that.

 

[Ghost of jas]

“If you want Rick Nash, you better be prepared to give up Ryan McDonagh and Chris Kreider.”

 

[GAGLine]

I keep wondering how the TV deal would be affected by Covid. For instance, if they do start the new season in January but still do not have fans, does the TV deal get negatively or positively affected? I would think positive because more people are stuck at home to watch. Or do they lose viewership because people are more concerned with Covid than watching a hockey game. And of course the deal I believe will be impacted if there is not a full 82 game schedule.

We don't know when the season will actually start, and how many games there will be. Those things may impact TV revenue in a negative way. Networks expect to get a certain number of games, and if those games conflict with other programming due to shifting schedules, they may not want to offer as much.

Baseball recently signed a massive TV deal, so maybe the NHL will be able to the same (comparatively). I'm sure all of their efforts will be with that in mind, which was why it was so important for them to finish this season. Hopefully it will all work out for the best, but the NHL has to first figure out how to even have a season next year if there are no fans in the arenas.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Main board has an Eichel trade looking a lot like what the Nordiques got for Lindros. I think that is total madness, and if he were to really be traded a lot of people would probably be shocked and disappointed at the actual return.

 

[GAGLine]

So many of these grandiose statements about what Eichel will “require.”

Sure, in a world where the player is on a successful team and doesn’t want to leave, it might “require” a ridiculous godfather offer.

But this conversation is all predicated on the fact that Eichel wants out, BUF has to move him, or both. (Also, that there are only so many teams that can a) offer a compelling deal and b) fit the player on the roster.)

And in those circumstances, as has been mentioned over and over again in this thread, historical precedent sets a pretty clear benchmark for the offer, and it’s not nearly so high. I can see where Eichel — if he is actually moved — might fetch a bit more than the top 6 D, top 4 forward, prospect, and pick that’s typical... but the add would not be a crown jewel, it’ll be 1-2 other young player(s)/prospect(s)/pick(s).

If Buffalo moves him, they can trade him to any team. They can wait a year and trade him to Seattle. They are under no pressure to move him, and Eichel has no say in where he goes. Buffalo also has a ton of cap space, so they can make a deal work with anyone, regardless of their cap situation, if they want.

If Eichel did/does ask for a trade, that isn't going to change the cost significantly. We paid through the nose to get St. Louis, and Nash wasn't cheap. He still cost us 2 roster players, a prospect and a 1st. We didn't give up our best to get him, but he also wasn't as good or as young as Eichel.

 

[NYblades]

If Buffalo moves him, they can trade him to any team. They can wait a year and trade him to Seattle. They are under no pressure to move him, and Eichel has no say in where he goes. Buffalo also has a ton of cap space, so they can make a deal work with anyone, regardless of their cap situation, if they want.

If Eichel did/does ask for a trade, that isn't going to change the cost significantly. We paid through the nose to get St. Louis, and Nash wasn't cheap. He still cost us 2 roster players, a prospect and a 1st. We didn't give up our best to get him, but he also wasn't as good or as young as Eichel.

I don't see the urgency Buffalo has in considering an Eichel trade either. I think the Eichel talk will fade away until Buffalo and Eichel are well into next season and see how it progresses.

 

[Leetch3]

Liked the post, then had to unlike it because it's not that players are not traded for equal value.

Its more that players are traded for value that doesn't equate in most fans heads. Fans place a sentimental value on players that far exceed their actual worth. GM's cannot afford to do that.

I'm a BIG believer in that GM's have a significant difference to the fans when it comes to players values.

I think this has been proven countless times when you compare proposed deals to the actual deals...very rarely are they in line with each other.

Fans:
1) every player on my team sucks
2) you want my player in a trade? he's elite and you need to pay for it
3) every player on your team is awful and not worth trading for

lol

 

[Ghost of jas]

Main board has an Eichel trade looking a lot like what the Nordiques got for Lindros. I think that is total madness, and if he were to really be traded a lot of people would probably be shocked and disappointed at the actual return.

Reason #3,765 to not take the main board consensus seriously.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Everything seems to indicate that the situation between Eichel and Buffalo is not close to the trade happening scenario everyone seems to think it is. If (big if) Eichel gets traded out of buffalo, we are talking at least a year, probably 2 down the road. The Rangers needs, the value of our trade pieces, cap issues, etc will all have changed by that point. I am not totally sold that Eichel is the right fit, but as others have said, you always do your due diligence when a player like that entering his prime years comes on the market.

 

[East Coast Bias]

If Buffalo moves him, they can trade him to any team. They can wait a year and trade him to Seattle. They are under no pressure to move him, and Eichel has no say in where he goes. Buffalo also has a ton of cap space, so they can make a deal work with anyone, regardless of their cap situation, if they want.

this isn’t really true though. Especially in Covid. 10m cap hit takes out a host of teams. 50m in remaining salary. Plus mix of players and picks that meet the ask

I’m not saying it’s only the Rangers. But those conditions eliminate tons of teams. With Covid, the monetary part alone probably takes out 1/3 to 1/2 the league.

 

[Kovalev27]

Your team will be very close to the cap, if not over it.

so like every other contender.

 

[Trxjw]

Main board has an Eichel trade looking a lot like what the Nordiques got for Lindros. I think that is total madness, and if he were to really be traded a lot of people would probably be shocked and disappointed at the actual return.

It's the main board, which is reason enough to discount most of the opinions. That being said it's understandable that Sabres fans would hope for the moon with Eichel. Their franchise is in shambles once again after being teased with new ownership that had deep pockets and a franchise consolation prize in Eichel after missing out on McDavid. They don't want to trade Eichel because it sends the message that they've failed once again. So they're trying to convince themselves that he'll get more than he's worth.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Comparing Eichel to Lindros... that’s funny.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

this isn’t really true though. Especially in Covid. 10m cap hit takes out a host of teams. 50m in remaining salary. Plus mix of players and picks that meet the ask

I’m not saying it’s only the Rangers. But those conditions eliminate tons of teams. With Covid, the monetary part alone probably takes out 1/3 to 1/2 the league.

I agree with this, and we see this happening whenever any player of serious value comes available. It's always down to a handful of teams based on cap(external AND internal), tradeable assets & general interest. Who knows, maybe the Rangers wouldn't even be one of the last 4-5 teams left in the hunt if the Sabres actually pursued a trade, but we can say for certain the scenario wouldn't involve the entire league flinging offers to Buffalo, it just doesn't work like that.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

nobody will pay equal value for Eichel.

This is only a conversation because of the possibility that it might take less than equal value to acquire him due to the rumors of his discontent, and the internal cap thing.

Sabres fans on the main boards don't understand this. The only way this trade happens is if a team gives up what is perceived as less than equal value.

nobody goes to a sale and asks to pay full price instead.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

this isn’t really true though. Especially in Covid. 10m cap hit takes out a host of teams. 50m in remaining salary. Plus mix of players and picks that meet the ask

I’m not saying it’s only the Rangers. But those conditions eliminate tons of teams. With Covid, the monetary part alone probably takes out 1/3 to 1/2 the league.

This is being underrated as a factor. Though I believe Eichel was due a $7.5M bonus on 7/1 (someone correct me if I’m wrong?) if so have to think that drops the odds of him being moved before this season when he is due only $2.5M in salary dramatically.

 

[GAGLine]

this isn’t really true though. Especially in Covid. 10m cap hit takes out a host of teams. 50m in remaining salary. Plus mix of players and picks that meet the ask

I’m not saying it’s only the Rangers. But those conditions eliminate tons of teams. With Covid, the monetary part alone probably takes out 1/3 to 1/2 the league.

The money part does, you're right.

 

[Gardner McKay]

“If you want Rick Nash, you better be prepared to give up Ryan McDonagh and Chris Kreider.”

"If you want Ryan McDonagh you better be prepared to give up Sergachev."

"If you want Derek Stepan you better be prepared to give up Clayton Keller".

Yeah, I see where its going and although I now agree with you, I still don't think Eichel is traded until a public demand is made. I think it is the only way a GM/ownership could save face to fans without getting player of Kakko/Laf's caliber in return.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't see many people here saying 'let's throw Fox and Kaako to the Sabres for Eichel!'. I think what most people are saying is that if the request is reasonable, something like what Nash returned, then it should be explored heavily. When you remove guys from the equation like:

Kaako
Lafreniere
Fox
Shesty
Panarin
Zib

You're left with many very good pieces, but pieces the team may need to shuffle around anyways moving forward to to make things work or recoup future peices.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I feel bad for Sabres fans. Knowing your team is eternally going to suck due to a myriad of reasons and one of the guys who can make all the sucking worth it doesn't want to be there

I'd probably be in denial too

 

[bigdog16]

Comparing Eichel to Lindros... that’s funny.

In hindsight Lindros wasn't as valuable as it seemed. He was injured like half his career

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I don't see many people here saying 'let's throw Fox and Kaako to the Sabres for Eichel!'. I think what most people are saying is that if the request is reasonable, something like what Nash returned, then it should be explored heavily. When you remove guys from the equation like:

Kaako
Lafreniere
Fox
Shesty
Panarin
Zib

You're left with many very good pieces, but pieces the team may need to shuffle around anyways moving forward to to make things work or recoup future peices.

I think your list is right, but I would have to consider whether or not Kakko is a deal breaker for me. Eichel is what we hope Kakko becomes, plays a much more valuable position and he won't be 24 until the end of October.