Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[True Blue]

“If you want Rick Nash, you better be prepared to give up Ryan McDonagh and Chris Kreider.”

Players like this never become available.

 

[Inferno]

In hindsight Lindros wasn't as valuable as it seemed. He was injured like half his career

He was an absolute monster until one of the biggest cheap shot artists in history got him right in the head.

That's where it all ended. A cheapshot.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think your list is right, but I would have to consider whether or not Kakko is a deal breaker for me. Eichel is what we hope Kakko becomes, plays a much more valuable position and he won't be 24 until the end of October.

And I think that is where the conversation needs to occur. Kaako resides in that gray area where they COULD include him but it would need to make sense with the rest of the package. By that I mean I'd be more okay with:

ADA + Kaako + CAR 1st

than I would:

ADA + Kaako + Buch + CAR 1st

 

[Inferno]

I think your list is right, but I would have to consider whether or not Kakko is a deal breaker for me. Eichel is what we hope Kakko becomes, plays a much more valuable position and he won't be 24 until the end of October.

Yes except kakkos being paid a fraction of what eichel is being paid.

There's no way I'd trade kakko or lafreniere for eichel because of a whole host of other issues.

Panarin, mika, fox, shesterkin, kakko,lafreniere.

Those guys are all off the table. Everyone else is available.

 

[True Blue]

He was an absolute monster until one of the biggest cheap shot artists in history got him right in the head.

When healthy, Lindros was as close to an unstoppable force as I have ever seen. People think that Ovechkin dominates games, they really need to see what a healthy Lindros could do.

 

[NYSPORTS]

He was an absolute monster until one of the biggest cheap shot artists in history got him right in the head.

That's where it all ended. A cheapshot.

the Stevens hit? Let’s be fair, Lindros delivered quite a few cheap shots too. Messier delivered many cheap shots yet the power behind Lindros resulted in some pretty dangerous moments. Yes, Stevens got him good while Lindros put a few on Stevens.

When healthy, Lindros was pretty awesome. Not as pretty as Lemieux. More of freight train with skill and an attitude.

 

[mas0764]

I keep wondering how the TV deal would be affected by Covid. For instance, if they do start the new season in January but still do not have fans, does the TV deal get negatively or positively affected? I would think positive because more people are stuck at home to watch. Or do they lose viewership because people are more concerned with Covid than watching a hockey game. And of course the deal I believe will be impacted if there is not a full 82 game schedule.

Other than "general uncertainties," regarding Covid, I don't really see that a TV deal is seriously impacted.

If there are back to fans in the stands within another year, I think the TV deal is bigger than ever.

Complete unforseens notwithstanding, but hey, the earth could also crash into the sun.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

When healthy, Lindros was as close to an unstoppable force as I have ever seen. People think that Ovechkin dominates games, they really need to see what a healthy Lindros could do.

When healthy, Lindros might have been the most dominant player I've seen. Skills like Maryo, the mean streak of Messier, vision that was not Gretzky-like but pretty damn good.

But any comment that starts with "in hindsight" is tricky.

 

[mas0764]

Main board has an Eichel trade looking a lot like what the Nordiques got for Lindros. I think that is total madness, and if he were to really be traded a lot of people would probably be shocked and disappointed at the actual return.

Because from their perspective they want to match equal value and he's invaluable to Sabres FANS.

To the organization, if he wants out, or they have financial trouble and need cheap labor, then that price drops precipitously to a "highest bidder," scenario.

And we win that bid.

 

[mas0764]

If Buffalo moves him, they can trade him to any team. They can wait a year and trade him to Seattle. They are under no pressure to move him, and Eichel has no say in where he goes. Buffalo also has a ton of cap space, so they can make a deal work with anyone, regardless of their cap situation, if they want.

If Eichel did/does ask for a trade, that isn't going to change the cost significantly. We paid through the nose to get St. Louis, and Nash wasn't cheap. He still cost us 2 roster players, a prospect and a 1st. We didn't give up our best to get him, but he also wasn't as good or as young as Eichel.

The proposed Eichel package of ADA, Strome/Buch, 22 overall, and Chytil/Kravtsov/Miller, is vastly superior to the Nash package.

That is a winning bid for Eichel if he's asked out. It does not require Lafreniere or Kakko.

I bet we can win a bid without even including Kravtsov frankly. The "/" means "or," there.

 

[True Blue]

When healthy, Lindros might have been the most dominant player I've seen. Skills like Maryo, the mean streak of Messier, vision that was not Gretzky-like but pretty damn good.

But any comment that starts with "in hindsight" is tricky.

There is one player that is a real case of "if only".

He came into the league at 18 and one of this first tussles was with McGill, who was a pretty physical defenseman at the time. The comment was that taking on Lindros was like taking on a tractor. Then you add the skill and all that comes with it.......if only......

 

[Richard Banger]

I’d do
Chytil
ADA
Car pick

for

Eichel

 

[RangersFan1994]

I’d do
Chytil
ADA
Car pick

for

Eichel

id do that

 

[bigdog16]

He was an absolute monster until one of the biggest cheap shot artists in history got him right in the head.

That's where it all ended. A cheapshot.

I agree, he was literally unstoppable. It doesn't justify it, but Lindros was a dirty player too. My uncle played in the NHL in that era and says that he was one of the most unlikeable players in the league.

 

[Ghost of jas]

There is one player that is a real case of "if only".

He came into the league at 18 and one of this first tussles was with McGill, who was a pretty physical defenseman at the time. The comment was that taking on Lindros was like taking on a tractor. Then you add the skill and all that comes with it.......if only......

Just to back up what you and @SingnBluesOnBroadway have already said, Lindros was the most physically dominant skilled player I have ever seen.

 

[Rongomania]

So people think the Rangers won't pay Tony long term but Buffalo will ?

Trading for Eichel, Buf wants that low cost NOW... no?

It's taking at least Fox + Chytil + Georgie + 22 + honestly probably another A prospect

Nobody in the NHL is matching all of these packages I've seen here... That is for sure.

I'll do anything outside of KK/Laf/Shesty

 

[Fitzy]

Just came in here to say that Paul Kariya is one of my all time favorite players and that Scott Stevens is a dirt piece of shit.

f*** Scott Stevens.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

So people think the Rangers won't pay Tony long term but Buffalo will ?

Trading for Eichel, Buf wants that low cost NOW... no?

It's taking at least Fox + Chytil + Georgie + 22 + honestly probably another A prospect

Nobody in the NHL is matching all of these packages I've seen here... That is for sure.

I'll do anything outside of KK/Laf/Shesty

It's not gonna take Fox. Those other pieces yes. And Tony isn't gonna get paid Eichel money. And it's been reported by Edge that Buffalo has asked about him.

 

[Rongomania]

It's not gonna take Fox. Those other pieces yes. And Tony isn't gonna get paid Eichel money. And it's been reported by Edge that Buffalo has asked about him.

I shudder to think of what they want on top of Tony though.

 

[duhmetreE]

Players like this never become available.

"Panarin is signing in FLA so it doesn't matter"

 

[Rongomania]

"Panarin is signing in FLA so it doesn't matter"

"It's been confirmed the Islanders offered Panarin 12,000,000 per, he's definitely going to love playing with Barzal."

 

[duhmetreE]

I honestly do not want Eichel. He doesn't fix any of our current issues. As silly as it sounds, if we're to grade our offense out of 10, we're in the 9's IMO. We do not need more offense. We need checking centers and forwards and LHD who are NHL capable.

Lindholm and Cirelli types should be at the top of the list for 2Cs.
Bonino and Tierny types should be 2-3rd prizes for 3Cs.

LHD - I really think they're going with Miller. The writing is on the wall. There will still be a spot available but I think Smith will start at 3LHD and pair with ADA. Ideally, we'd get a solid puck moving LHD to pair with Trouba until Miller is truly ready but they may just throw him into the fire.

Miller Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Smith ADA

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I shudder to think of what they want on top of Tony though.

Probably all the other things you said in your post. Young roster center (Chytil), Top Prospect (Krav or Key), Georgiev possibly, and probably multiple firsts - if done now Carolina's this year and next year's unprotected. Maybe even a conditional 2022 based on team performance. You know that Gorton likes to get creative with the conditional picks.

 

[Rongomania]

Probably all the other things you said in your post. Young roster center (Chytil), Top Prospect (Krav or Key), Georgiev possibly, and probably multiple firsts - if done now Carolina's this year and next year's unprotected. Maybe even a conditional 2022 based on team performance. You know that Gorton likes to get creative with the conditional picks.

I have full faith in the guy. Stevie Y also remembered the multiple solids we did him and took Marc Staal now.

I trust we won't get hosed since buffalo, though with full control of the kid, is in quite the shit predicament even before covid ravaged their finances further.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I honestly do not want Eichel. He doesn't fix any of our current issues. As silly as it sounds, if we're to grade our offense out of 10, we're in the 9's IMO. We do not need more offense. We need checking centers and forwards and LHD who are NHL capable.

+1 and don’t be so objective