Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[jerseyjinx94]

You guys like these soft finesse players and those players don't win in the playoffs. 90% of this board has the Rangers mentality of acquiring soft players. We discuss this topic every year on the board. The Rangers keep losing and we blame the coach who is playing the players given to him by management.

Brian Boyle has discussed getting another big D. Nick Seeler. Protect and defend the front of the net.

Obviously you want big players who can play (like a Hedman), but if given the choice between a Ben Harpur “clear the crease” or Erik Gustafsson “move the puck” D, I’ll take Gustafsson all day every day. We have defensemen on this team who can and should be crease clearing come playoffs. If they don’t do it, then they are the ones who need to be replaced

 

[mas0764]

You guys like these soft finesse players and those players don't win in the playoffs. 90% of this board has the Rangers mentality of acquiring soft players. We discuss this topic every year on the board. The Rangers keep losing and we blame the coach who is playing the players given to him by management.

Brian Boyle has discussed getting another big D. Nick Seeler. Protect and defend the front of the net.

The Rangers habitually choose size and grit over skill and talent.

You need well rounded guys and not a roster of Zach Joneses, but we do have that to a degree. Our "most physical" defender is the one who sucks the most, ironically. We have size in Schneider, Miller, and even Lindgren. They need to continue maturing and play with more edge, maybe.

The Rangers biggest problem on D is absolutely that they choose to play their literal worst defenseman (right now, but historically he's definitely "one of" their worst across all metrics) as their first pair, number one defender and give him the most minutes.

Instead of giving those minutes to, you know, their Norris winner.

 

[mas0764]

Obviously you want big players who can play (like a Hedman), but if given the choice between a Ben Harpur “clear the crease” or Erik Gustafsson “move the puck” D, I’ll take Gustafsson all day every day. We have defensemen on this team who can and should be crease clearing come playoffs. If they don’t do it, then they are the ones who need to be replaced

Right. And Brooks isn't talking about going out and getting Hedman or even Chychrun.

He just wants size. Whatever size is available, get that over Gustafsson.

No thanks.

 

[NYR Viper]

You guys like these soft finesse players and those players don't win in the playoffs. 90% of this board has the Rangers mentality of acquiring soft players. We discuss this topic every year on the board. The Rangers keep losing and we blame the coach who is playing the players given to him by management.

Brian Boyle has discussed getting another big D. Nick Seeler. Protect and defend the front of the net.

I think we're looking at the wrong spot. The Rangers have guys who can clear and front of the net. Their roles dictate that they should be able to do so. That's Trouba, Miller, Schneider and Lindgren. The issue is, Lindgren isn't big enough to do that.

I think we need to concentrate on upgrading Lindgren, not removing one of the only efficient puck movers on the back end in Gustafsson.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gustafsson should hire you as his agent.

Imagine looking at this defense and thinking "You know what they need, to get bigger and tougher on the 3rd pair."


They need to get their 9.5 million dollar defenseman a better partner.

 

[Kovalev27]

What Brooksie said about Barclay Goodrow was so antithetical to what a lot of fans think.

It was goodrows best game though and I’ve beeen saying it. The guy was basically drinking his meals for two months. I don’t know how you can play hockey like that.

I’ll tell you what I don’t want. I don’t want my crease clearing defense first guy to be 5’11 and get speed bagged all day like Ryan lindgren

 

[NYR Viper]

It was goodrows best game though and I’ve beeen saying it. The guy was basically drinking his meals for two months. I don’t know how you can play hockey like that.

I’ll tell you what I don’t want. I don’t want my crease clearing defense first guy to be 5’11 and get speed bagged all day like Ryan lindgren

This is the problem, not having Gustafsson...

 

[duhmetreE]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

 

[RangersFan1994]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

Too injury prone

 

[TGWL]

Provorov at 50% retention is an idea. Wouldn't even necessarily forego keeping Lindgren for the 3rd pairing if NYR chose to go that direction. I think he would work well with Fox and Panarin.

I can't see Columbus trading him after they just made the trade. I think if they eat 50% and trade him, it'll be sometime during the next season.

 

[duhmetreE]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

he played a majority of games during covid. Said he worked on 'not getting hurt' this offseason. Seems to be working for now

The risk is worth the reward. He's a beast.

 

[Kovalev27]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

Great player

 

[TGWL]

1st + Goodrow + Robertson for Buchnevich at 50% for this season and next
2nd + mid prospect for Henrique at 50%
Chytil LTIRs till playoffs

Panarin Trocheck Laf
Kreider Zib Buch
Cuylle Chytil Kakko
Vesey Henrique Wheeler
Bonino
(Henrique 3C till playoffs, Bonino at 4C, Pitlick as extra forward and Brodz as backup center)

Miller Fox
Gus Trouba
Lindgren Schneider (god help those zone exits)

No reason for St. Louis to even consider that trade.

he played a majority of games during covid. Said he worked on 'not getting hurt' this offseason. Seems to be working for now

The risk is worth the reward. He's a beast.

The chart was interested to see because if you ask Sen fans, they'll tell you he looks the exact opposite this season.

 

[Kodiak]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

He certainly looks like a top tier defenseman, but since you asked why most people don't consider him a trade target:

1. Injury History: He's missed an average of 19 games per season since being in the NHL. Chytil misses less time than him, and half the board is ready to ship him out for being too injury prone.
2. Cost to Acquire: Ottawa traded a first and two seconds for Chychrun. If he's looking like he'll score 10-15 goals and 50-60 points this year, what is it going to take to get him?
3. Salary Cap: His $4.6m hit for this year and next year is a steal, when he's healthy. He's a UFA after that, so it would take a big money long-term contract to keep him. The only expiring contract at that time is Shesterkin, who will need to be resigned or replaced. It would be difficult to keep him and he's too expensive and unproven to be a good rental.

 

[hardnosed]

This crease clearing discussion from Larry is hilarious. This isn't 1970. You aren't allowed to knock a guy into the first row, it's 2 minutes for interference or cross checking. You need to be more subtle. It's like in basketball going for a rebound. It's an art. That's why some 6'6" guys can rebound better than 7 foot guys. We actually have one guy that does an excellent job of boxing out and allowing our goalie to see the puck and that's Lindgren. Unfortunately it's one of his only redeeming qualities.
Miller is horrible at it. Guys are always getting between him and the goalie like that tip in against Washington. Trouba's plan is to fight 1 on 1 with a guy in front which makes him oblivious to the rest of the play and him and his opponent end up screening the goalie.

 

[TGWL]

I never thought i'd say this at the beginning of the season, but getting Pitlik back should help us.
The Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow was probably our worst line of the season, followed by Kreider-Zibanejad-Wheeler, while the Vesey-Goodrow-Pitlick actually seemed successful. Who knew not having 2 skating plugs on a line can help your expected goals against?

It's seems we're not going to use Gus/Fox, despite their small sample size showing they should be given a shot to fail or succeed.

Gus/Lindgren hasn't been a disaster, but going in that route would mean Trouba, or Schneider needs to play the left side. I don't see that taking place here. So the logical solution to an outsider is pairing Miller w/Fox, and then Gus w/ Trouba, and Lindgren with Schneider, or some variation of those 4. The logical solution to the organization is to keep using the same pairs as previous coaching staff.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He certainly looks like a top tier defenseman, but since you asked why most people don't consider him a trade target:

1. Injury History: He's missed an average of 19 games per season since being in the NHL. Chytil misses less time than him, and half the board is ready to ship him out for being too injury prone.
2. Cost to Acquire: Ottawa traded a first and two seconds for Chychrun. If he's looking like he'll score 10-15 goals and 50-60 points this year, what is it going to take to get him?
3. Salary Cap: His $4.6m hit for this year and next year is a steal, when he's healthy. He's a UFA after that, so it would take a big money long-term contract to keep him. The only expiring contract at that time is Shesterkin, who will need to be resigned or replaced. It would be difficult to keep him and he's too expensive and unproven to be a good rental.

Less than a 1st and 2 2nds due to having less control.

Maybe a 1st and a 2nd? I don't know? I can't imagine they'd want Lindgren who has a similar contractual status so a 1st and a B prospect?

It would be a risk for sure. I'd rather go with Hanafin if it were up to me but Chychrun is a good player. Can't let our bromances get in the way of making the team better.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Larry is an old f***ing man who posts more about yearning for sports and specifically baseball in the 60s than hockey at this point.

So of course this dinosaur is over here wanting players that’s been extinct for decades

 

[duhmetreE]

He certainly looks like a top tier defenseman, but since you asked why most people don't consider him a trade target:

1. Injury History: He's missed an average of 19 games per season since being in the NHL. Chytil misses less time than him, and half the board is ready to ship him out for being too injury prone.
2. Cost to Acquire: Ottawa traded a first and two seconds for Chychrun. If he's looking like he'll score 10-15 goals and 50-60 points this year, what is it going to take to get him?
3. Salary Cap: His $4.6m hit for this year and next year is a steal, when he's healthy. He's a UFA after that, so it would take a big money long-term contract to keep him. The only expiring contract at that time is Shesterkin, who will need to be resigned or replaced. It would be difficult to keep him and he's too expensive and unproven to be a good rental.

the optimist view is he's replacing Lindgren and eventually Trouba's salary.

I can see how our forward core can work. How we also have reinforcements on the way. Our D-group needs major help IMO and we have nothing in the cupboard. IMO Fox, KAM and Schneids are the mainstays moving forward. We need a top4 LHD.

 

[bbny]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

Chychrun will be expensive to acquire. A trade for him requires picking a lane on K'Andre Miller. If there's belief in the org that Miller is a budding star and top pairing guy, Chychrun blocks that.

 

[Machinehead]

You guys like these soft finesse players and those players don't win in the playoffs. 90% of this board has the Rangers mentality of acquiring soft players. We discuss this topic every year on the board. The Rangers keep losing and we blame the coach who is playing the players given to him by management.

Brian Boyle has discussed getting another big D. Nick Seeler. Protect and defend the front of the net.

Phil Kessel has three Cups.

Patrick Kane, who is legitimately lazy outside of the offensive zone, has three Cups.

Marian Gaborik, who got absolutely abused on this board by folks like you, was instrumental in the Kings winning the Cup.

Soft, lazy Chris Kreider is one of the best elimination game performers in NHL history.

Who on Tampa was big and tough? Barclay Goodrow? He sucks. Two Cups.

 

[Machinehead]

You can't clear the crease on a 2-on-1. Our most physical defenseman gives up the most chances right in front of the net because he's usually 20 feet away going for a skate.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Gustafsson isn’t soft, that’s the funny part of this discussion.

 

[Machinehead]

Gustafsson isn’t soft, that’s the funny part of this discussion. So dumb.

Trouba is on the ice for 25+ even strength shot attempts against night in and night out and people decided the problem is the third pair because Gustafsson is 6'0" instead of 6'2". Absolute madness.

 

[haohmaru]

Essentially another Adam Fox.... doing it on a dogwater team

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I do not know why people sleep on Chychrun. He has true #1 potential

His injury history is the red flag, not his play.